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It seems like not many Packers fans view OT as a need. You know where I stand, but...it's not a real commonly held opinion. And I get it, Walker MIGHT keep getting better and the CBs in the Hafley system are going to be in more man coverage. But let's stick with OT for the sake of argument, would you be as confident taking a RT with Tom seemingly able to play either side at that high level?

That was a great trade. In these mocks(which really couldn't be less relevant when it comes to reality) there are a lot of teams trading up for a QB. That's just the way the board falls. That makes sense. TB trading 57+2025 1st for a QB if they fall, then we trade back up ala Jaire. I think that's unlikely at 25, but I just wouldn't rule anything out. Gute has traded up as much as down(actually I'd guess he's traded up more, but arguably last years trade down was SO incredibly successful, especially if Anders can get it together). Gute just gets the benefit of the doubt now. If he moves up, I'll get on board. If he likes Walker, I'll believe he's better than I think he is. If he doesn't address at least the IOL...I'll assume Sean Rhyan has some very incriminating photos, but short of that...

No to Mitchell. I'd maybe do the DeJean trade. That one was more realistic and I think DeJean has a really high floor due to how physical he is. I also don't think he's going to go as high as The Athletic is mocking him as we don't know if he's an NFL CB or Safety at this point. He hasn't run. If he's a 4.44 guy and runs the 3 cone in under 7, he's a top 10 pick. But you do know pretty reasonably that he can play safety. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see GB trade up in the 1st rd. They could trade back and trade back up in the 2nd...I don't know, but as others have said, I wouldn't do it for a CB in this draft and I'd probably only be willing to trade that much for two players. Alt and MHJ.

Incorrect, huh? You're saying THIS is incorrect? When you talked about how their point was "blabbering nonsense," I knew you were a little emotional on this subject, but if you're arguing THIS isn't "incorrect," it's clearly more than that. You are right though. The US could just totally arbitrarily decide to blow up the US Economy(and the Global Economy) on a whim and just say the dollar is worth nothing. You think that's a viable argument here? That the US could do that tomorrow? That COULD happen. Now hold that up against the different Cryptocurrencies that had no regulation that have been scams. I'd say I'd bet on the dollar because of the US Economy, but I guess the US could just tomorrow say they're changing it to the Yen or... something that made absolutely zero actual sense. With zero consequences? Man, you argued so far to the extreme, that there's no possible way anyone can agree with this. You think just eliminating the dollar tomorrow would have "zero consequences?" To the people in charge, who make that decision...to world?

I wasn't necessarily in favor of starting the year in AAA(I do want to get that year back for Wiemer)...but I thought STing would just clear it up. That's what happened and it happened to the two most obvious candidates. Wiemer has as much upside as any position player other than Chourio(I am not saying he's the #2 prospect) and Ashby...I think people forget how electric he was. As long as he's making progress, let him continue to do so. He's so filthy when he's on, it's ridiculous.

I'm not fine with a teachers' pension plan failing because investors are buying up real estate. That'd be a terrible thing for a teacher who probably has no idea what their fund invests in. Or a Gov't. I'm kinda confused why someone would pay 5-6% for a realtor fee though. Perhaps you could educate me as I haven't used one outside of a small area of the Country. I don't want to make this about me, but when I owned an investment property, I would get constant solicitations for sale. I got offered a price I wanted, I kept all the people who'd offered before a chance to beat it...and then I hired a realtor to do the paperwork. It was 1.5%. It was a little more of a pain because there were a lot of things that had to be worked out in the contract...if the security deposits would go to him or stay with me, the people who'd paid ahead a lot of things like that. But 6%? That's a pretty healthy chunk on a regular house. You get 4-5 houses for...average of 300K, that's crazy. Is this the norm? Before this transaction I had a friend of my Father's who was exceptionally helpful and it was never near 5-6%. I don't think there's going to be a housing bubble though. Not Nation Wide. There are still too many people who want to buy. If housing prices dropped, I think your average consumer would just start snapping them up that much more quickly. Explain to me where I'm wrong(if you don't mind Nate, I'm genuinely curious and relatively ignorant).

I was not familiar with the term ACH when I replied...you're probably correct.

The "King of Wisconsin" thing is kinda corny...but Butler stayed. He's a millionaire. Jones seemed like he wanted to. It's all moot now...but I really hate seeing the hate he's getting on Social Media like he's some trader. You cut a guy...he gets to sign with Minnesota or whomever. Minny has a really good run-blocking OL, they play on Turf(which I think suits him well) and they don't have much at QB. So probably a good place for him to build up as much value as he can for next year. I'm also just not particularly worried about this Vikings team.

I don't agree on either count. 1-The Packers are unique in that they can weather the "storm," for lack of a better word more easily than other franchises as they don't have a meddlesome owner. They closest they've had is a meddlesome President, but that's only been more recent. 2-They traded a 4th late in the 1st rd to move up a couple sports for Love. That's pretty patient. And Love wasn't projected to go lower, he was projected to go higher by most. This is just one example(and one of the teams rumored to possibly take Love along with Indy); https://www.patspulpit.com/2020/4/6/21209510/2020-nfl-draft-utah-state-quarterback-jordan-love-popular-mock-pick-patriots-stidham-brady And I hate doing this because I can't find the link any longer, but it was a analysis of where Gutes 1st rd picks were drafted vs where they were mocked. For instance, Walker was like -22.3. Wyatt was +8. I remember Love was ~+12. Josh Jackson was actually the best value among early rd picks at +16 or something like that. The betting line on where Love would be picked was 16.5 and the Chargers didn't settle on Herbert over Love until the last week before the draft. So he was definitely in play for the top 10. He was not a guy drafted "way earlier," than he ever would have been otherwise. I don't get where that narrative came from that he was picked "way earlier," than he should have been. I agree with this, but that's just the point. How many teams that make deep runs in the playoffs have the ownership and guts to draft a QB? The Saints were a team that many thought might take Love. They didn't have the guts despite the fact that Brees was aging even worse than Rodgers in terms of his physical attributes(or just the fact he was older). It CAN be copied. Teams just aren't willing to do it. They're not willing to take the QB until they need to.

Would they throw it out there if he was having academic troubles? Say he's not ineligible, but he's not doing well or whatever. I could see them being vague...hypothetically. I'd guess you're right and he's transferring though. Is Storr likely to go this year? I was glancing at Mock drafts and I see the two Marquette guys(Kolek and Obo) as late 1st, early 2nds, but haven't seen Storr on there. He seems like a better prospect than Davis, but as I've said, I don't watch enough Badgers BB.

IIRC, Mahomes was in the low 20s at the time in the draft process when they traded for him. Trey Lance was not 3rd. Where a QB is ranked on the big board vs where they're actually drafted are usually two VERY different things. The top 3 players in this draft are not QBs. They'll likely be the top 3 picks. There's no way there should be 5 QBs taken in the top 12...yet ESPN has just that. You cite CBS Sports. I just gave you an example of them mocking McCarthy 5th to the Vikings(for 11 and 23). ESPN has Bo Nix 43rd...and going in the top half of the first rd. As for why the trade hasn't been done yet, it'd be a terrible idea to make the trade now. It doesn't ensure you're going to get the player you want. With more people speculating that Nabers may actually be better than MHJ(or go higher due anyway), you trade up to #5 months before the draft, now the Cards move down(knowing they can still get one of those top WRs) and another team slides in front of you and THEY take McCarthy. You might be right. The Vikings may try and trade into the top 3. And I'd bet that'll end up even more of an overpay relative to the charts that the proposed trade to #5. I think your rationale is sound here...I don't think QB needy teams in the NFL are very rational as exhibited by recent history.

And the Fed announced they expect 3 cuts to interest rates this year...sending the market soaring and...Gold...which is a bit strange. Gold generally goes up when the market is done. Have we seen Gold hitting All-Time Highs at the same time as the Markets? I don't know. I do know it was a great day for my portfolio. Raising the interest rates is just going to hurt those who are using their credit cards, paying higher interest rates on their credit cards, home loans, car loans. It seems like lowering the interest rate may help grow the economy even more than it currently is. More investment, particularly in real estate, more people buying homes. The Dollar is strong.

The one thing I've learned in my life...coming from one side of the family that was...not poor, but they didn't have much. No retirement, owned a modest home, lived on SS and most of the family members on that side were near the poverty line... On the other side in which my Grandfather was incredibly successful and started a business that became a huge corporation(when I say started, he was the 1st employee and owned about 3% in what became a billion dollar company(though when he got out it was worth...much-much less). In any event, one side was very wealthy, the other was not. It didn't matter. My Uncle who had a 500K salary in 1998 just out of pure nepotism, got so far over his head in debt, he had to have my Grandpa bail him out. On the other side, my Uncle was a Cop in a rural area...was injured in a bad accident, and his wife not once, not twice, but THRICE got them into over 100K in CC debt. One person can look at 500K and say 'I'd be able to live on that and save 350K a year,' and another is...hanging out with professional athletes and has expensive habits(and is an idiot). That's my whole take. Not gonna bury Ohtani when I don't really have reason to believe he did anything wrong here.

No way? We just saw it last year when the Panthers gave up #9, #61, a 2024 1st(#1 overall now) and, DJ Moore was at least worth a 1st. I don't think charts are particularly useful when a QB-needy team is trying to trade up for what it thinks is their franchise QB. SF traded the 12th pick+ a 3rd and 2 future 1sts to move from 12 to 3. I don't think that neither trade was good will have much impact. So I don't think 11+23 for 5...is that crazy or unlikely. I'd agree it's stupid to give all that up to get McCarthy...but they may believe he's a Herbert-type QB. I've seen that comp used. He wasn't asked to do much for Michigan, but he's got elite tools. Arm strength and accuracy look good, size and speed. If they want to move up to #3 to get Maye or Daniels....then the deal is going to look that much worse. I still think Minnesota would be smarter to build that roster up, deal some vets, suck it up and they'll be picking top ~5 next year and they can reset their cap, but I don't think they'll do that.

I'd have just kept him as their starter for a 6th. Have people seriously NOT learned it usually doesn't bode well throwing a QB into the first on day 1? Caleb Williams is an incredibly talented player, but listening to people with pretty good records evaluating his play and you can really see why they question him as a decision-maker. Mahomes, the guy he's most often compared to, what did KC do? They let him sit for a year. They put him in a system with two really good OTs(I think Wright is going to be elite, I don't think Braxton Jones is good...similar to my opinion on Walker). I think he can still be great, but the Bears are just not a good place to develop a young QB. .

Take the best offer? Yes, athletes have a very high level of confidence...but it seems like it's largely Boras' clients who are unemployed(or signing short deals well into camp.

I agree, it's just a better draft at the top. CJ Stroud had an outstanding rookie season, but I don't think he was viewed as highly as the top 3 in this draft...and Bryce Young at his size, he certainly wasn't viewed as highly as Williams and Maye. Now there seems to be a lot of helium on Daniels with some arguing he's #2. It's just a better draft. Jayden Daniels is impressive. I've watched some videos where scouts break down his game and he looks like he's got a huge upside. The one knock is he doesn't like throwing it over the middle and lives outside the hashes. It's usually the other way around. When you say 3 1sts, you're talking about the 2 this year and then their '25 first, right? Or are you saying #11 and 3 first to move up? FWIW(and it's probably not much)...CBS has a mock with them trading their two firsts to get up to 5 for JJ McCarthy. That seems like an overpay, but as a Packers fan, I like it.

Yeah, I guess for a few teams, but the Dodgers just gave you the cheat code. Spent 700M on one player, 325 on another...and they're well under the luxury tax. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/ Seattle though, the team that has been aggressive and where Snell wants to pitch(at least according to sources last week)...they have ~100M in room and a good team. The Yankees are up against the Cohen tax, but still in need of another TOR arm(they haven't been talking to Snell again recently). I believe if Arnold thought Snell could replicate last season or even close, Attanasio would sign off on it. It feels to me as though the Brewers FO operates with room to make moves should they arrive and Attanasio, if he's to be believed(and I find no reason not to)...he'd stretch the payroll to add a 2X CY pitcher who could have our rotation right back where it was last year(better if you believe Ashby, Ross, Gasser, Rodriguez contribute this year). And then a BP that is very deep with power arms even without Williams for a couple of months. That's not even accounting for DL Hall. The one guy I hope we don't see...at least until Sept, is Mis. He's so electric, he needs to build up that arm strength and be ready to step in next June every 5th day. But, if he dominates AA...who knows.

Wow...if that's true, he and Boras have REALLY overplayed their hand. I like Snell, I think that'd be worth it. I don't love the opt out and I'd still guess Seattle would be the destination. Clevinger seems like the best fit.

I really can't see any negative connotations in this video. He seems dejected. The Brewers seem like they send people for 2nd opinions pretty often. I'd guess he went to an orthopedic surgeon and then they send him to a specialist. I don't know if that's true, purely speculative. There seems like there's always going to be a little tension with players of Burnes, Hader, Williams caliber...when they're closing in on Free Agency and it's pretty clear they won't be with the Brewers long-term. You're at a point in your professional career where you're close to earning generational wealth so you want to protect yourself...and you're also still part of a team and you've probably been with the same franchise for 7-8 years at least. Anyway...I actually look forward to seeing how these guys step up and fill the void left by Devin. I look forward to getting the airbender back even more, but I like the pen, and the power arms, and as long as they can keep it in the zone, we've got plenty of talent in that group.

I literally just agreed with you. I simply said I didn't like how they did it.

They see all types of things I don't...when it comes to the draft or free agency. That doesn't mean I have to like HOW they went about it.

Ok, then when talking about injury history, the type of injuries also matter. He's never suffered any serious, long-term injuries. The point is, people want to talk about Jones going to the Vikings as though he was somehow...disloyal when I can't remember a Packer who's showed the "loyalty," that Jones has. It's also head-scratching that the Packers front office effectively guaranteed that Jones would be back this year saying "absolutely he'll be back," after saying he's the "heartbeat of this team," among other things...and then cut him immediately upon agreeing to terms with Jacobs.

Safety seems pretty weak. Again, why McKinney was so big. LBers...it's kinda wild how much it varies from one mock or one site to the other, but Wilson and Cooper seem to be the clear top two. I think once you start looking at big safeties, guys who probably can't stay at Safety in the NFL(or at least in a scheme the Packers are going to be using), there is a lot of value there. Especially on Day3. Guys who can help out immediately on STs, but can't really hold up in the slot. Oladapo(Or St), Dominique Hampton(Wash), Jaylon Carlies(Miss), Ryan Watts(Texas) are all guy who I think are probably more WLBs in the NFL than safeties. Carlies especially reminds me of Owusu-Koramoah from the scouting reports and a few clips. James Williams is listed as a LBer now as well. All big, athletic guys in that 6'2 210-225 range. IIRC, Ray Lewis was 6'1 220 when he came out. I wouldn't want to rely on one of those guys in year 1, but you have McDuffie and Walker. Assuming you target a LBer early, you can ask one of those guys to start transitioning to LB and see what you have.

If you want to argue that it made sense for the Packers to go with the younger back...ok. That makes sense. But just two things, again, Jones injury history is widely exaggerated. Played in more games than Dillon or Jacobs(using eithers 1st year in the league). He had some injuries last year, but had one other year in which he missed more than 2 games. I'd also disagree that his lack of carries is because he's "slight." 5'9 210 is pretty thick. He's had limited carries because the Packers have prioritized having a 2nd back and frankly, they haven't used him as much as they should have. One of the big complaints with McCarthy was that Jones wasn't given the ball enough when he was running well. He had a lot of 10-14 carry 60-90-yard games. Plus, Rodgers was pretty open about getting them out of run plays...for better or worse. The larger point I'm trying to make...I don't like how the Packers handled this. It reminds me of Nelson. Not Brett Goode or the whole whiny list of players Rodgers had, but there are some players you do have a bit more reverence for. The guys who have given up 10M once, then 5M another time to stay and play in the small town of GB. I think when you say he's "absolutely going to come back," and that you want to "do right by him," both quotes by Gutekunst, I think they fell short of that in cutting him immediately upon agreeing with Jacobs and after he refused to take an 8M pay cut. That is what I mean by being objective about it. Jones is getting crushed for playing for the Vikings. Well, the Packers kinda gave him a nice kick in the ass on the way out the door...and it's not like he wasn't at his best at least we saw.