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I thought so. Up to 97-98. Didn't look quite as good as the season went on, so hopefully he'll be more acclimated this year to the workload and keep throwing like this.

Ortiz can't...unless they've recently changed that as well.

I'm just seeing Cooper's article. Is this confirmed beyond just him saying it? You have to accrue 172 days in your rookie campaign. He can and will do that. Top 100, done. Rookie Eligible with less than 60 days of service time. All those fit. That doesn't make sense. I know Ortiz isn't eligible any longer, but if that is true, it's exactly the opposite impact it was meant to have. You want to promote prospects...just don't sign them?

He's played 3 games this year. Lets...give him a little time.

And why can't get get it for Chourio? And how would any of those qualify? They weren't on the opening day roster.

Yeah...that may be about as extreme an example as you get. At least when Bellichick did it, it was Cole Strange, an guard that nobody thought would go until maybe late rd 3 and he takes him in the first. Another good reason...you hear MLF claiming he had no knowledge of the Aaron Jones situation or just after the whole Jordan Love selection? I do not believe either one happens without him signing off. In fact, I seem to remember reports that HE was the one that really liked Love among the two...but MLF could look at Rodgers and say, 'of course I want you as my QB...those decisions, they're above my head.' It's just a smarter way to do things. How often does it work out? Belichick needed Brady. Holmgren did alright for a while. Jimmy Johnson? It's an outlier when it works.

Yeah....we're getting another comp pick next year!

Oh...Mr. Cohen...

From the 60s!?! Don't they make one of those every year now?

Resident Alien is...hilarious. @homer...just stumbled onto it, thought it'd be stupid and now it's one of the few shows I watch right when it airs. Only a few more episodes left this year.

Yeah, he's also terrible from 50+ and kicked in a dome. I think it's just to push Carlson. That's fine. I am confident he'll be just fine. He looked really good at times and then looked like he had the yips. All in all, he was alright as a rookie and I don't think people would be too upset if not for the missed FG vs SF, but that was such a bad hold...not sure you can really blame him. Most kickers are missing that kick. It's up to him. I like the signing. A good enough kicker, but Carlson is still in the drivers seat.

Yeah, that's what sucks about having one bad game and the season being over, but...seems like it was a pretty damn good year to me...though I get you're looking for a better outcome. What's Marquette's '24-'25 roster look like? Kolek, Oso and Jones all leaving for the draft? Is this a bit of a re-tooling year or...what are we thinking?

By the way, anyone think Joe Milton to GB at ~169 is just a PERFECT fit? 6'5, built like a TE, extremely athletic, has a comically strong arm...and Tom Clement is still in GB. I've seen people speculate that we'll hold onto Clifford for another year or two and then flip him like we used to do, but I don't think he's got that type of value. He's a really nice backup, not sure he's the type of guy you'll get much for though. Hope I'm wrong there. But Joe Milton is a guy who possesses the tools to be a franchise QB and he'd again be in a situation where he can sit and wait. I know the physical aspect of the sport is a relatively small part of being an elite QB at this level, but Milton has tools that don't come along often and I think it'd be worth it to try and develop him. And hell, he could be used in packages early on in his career. With his size and speed? If the Packers don't use a pick or 3 to move up or acquire a veteran as Gutey said they were open to doing(or they could do, however he articulated it)...I think he's worth a flier.

Latham would be a good story...the Oak Creek kid drafted to the Packers. I'm not sure he's worth that trade package either. Fashanu feels a lot like Sewell. A guy who everyone's been talking about, but lost a little bit of the luster as he's been projected so high for so long people start to focus on the negatives. I've also seen more questions/negative scouting reports about Alt...so hopefully they keep coming! I do agree with you. I could see a 3rd to move up a couple of spots, but unless there is a player who they think is so good, he can change the franchise, they're not giving up that much capital.

I've been banging the drums for Jaheim Bell from FSU. I think he's a nice fit for what they need. They could go with the kid from TCU Wiley. He's not really an H-Back, but he's big, fast and a good blocker or the K-State kid Sinnott, but he seems to be moving up. Bell has played RB, FB, TE, WR and when he plays WR, he looks like a legit WR tracking balls over the middle and high-pointing them. Could be an incredible weapon. Would have to improve his blocking, but he'd be a major offensive threat in the pass game right now.

Exactly...on all counts. These mocks are fun...but they're also largely groupthink. There are some differences of course, but it's not like you'll look at PFF and then NFL.com and see these wildly different rankings for the most part...and then when they are, they're just kinda ridiculous. CBS just had one with Joe Alt as the 20th-ranked player. I'm pretty sure MHJ wasn't the #1 WR(though I have seen some reputable people reporting that Nabers may actually go ahead of him). Obviously, if you CAN trade down and get the same player...you do that. But unlike a mock draft simulator, the draft doesn't revolve around what you want. The players that I remember being complained about the most...have largely turned into the best players. Rashan Gary and then Jordan Love. Each time I remember people complaining about how they would have been available later and you could have added picks. Maybe. Or maybe not. But if you're sold on a player, you wanna roll the dice? It's kinda like investing. It's easy to tell someone else what risk they should take, it's easy to say you SHOULD have done this instead years after the fact...but the Packers FO, like the Brewers FO has kinda reached a point where...I'll have my opinions up until the draft pick is made and then I'll buy into whomever they take. BTW, interesting article from McGinn. The one thing I've always thought he did really well was talk to other executives. Here one is talking about the lack of defensive talent in the top 20 and then arguing that there are better players who'll go in Rd2 than Dallas Turner. https://www.golongtd.com/p/mcginns-top-55-wheres-the-defense?utm_campaign=email-post&r=14o28m&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Two questions, 1-Any question Essegian decides to stay at UW if he does go? Playing time would seemingly open up and I thought he looked better on the defensive end as the season progressed. I had a feeling he would enter the portal with the lack of PT, but...I'm not all that dialed into CBB. 2-Is there a shot Chuckie Hepburn can make it in the league? At 6'2, he's explosive. I was caught off guard at a couple of his attempted put-backs. He can get up there. He's also a bulldog on defense and I think he can be a good shooter. Not in the same role obviously, but hypothetically on a team like Dallas with a bigger PG, any chance he can play a role as a 2nd ball handler and spot-up shooter? I think he's coming back for another year...maybe a chance to prove either way, but curious to hear what you think.

Most players drafted aren't ready...but I'm not even seeing him show up in a 2rd mock draft. I see Kolek as a mid 2nd(which is interesting for the Bucks) as I think he makes a pretty damn good backup NBA PG. Gives him leverage either way. If he gets positive feedback, he'll get drafted, if not, he gets another year on a really talented team and likely gets paid.

Yup. Ugly half. Got a text from the old Man saying they were gonna blow it up ~11 with 4 minutes or so left. I was casually watching. Came back and...it's 2X OT and things did not go well. Brush it off and move on. As a general point though, I like how Crowder is playing. Seems like the last month or so, he's really gotten back to where he was. I like Portis...but Doc just isn't gonna give Beauchamp or Jackson much run, will he?

I hope Walker does keep getting better. There's just the issues with his work ethic from PSU, working on his body and the value of the position that makes me think we should keep trying and improving there. I did not know until recently when I saw Troy Fatanu(LT Washington) mocked to the Packers...his arms are nearly 35 inches long! I'd viewed him as a Guard, but he was athletic and moved really well. I don't see why he can't play OT in the NFL. He's physical, good run blocker, and...again, really agile and good vs speed rushers according to scouting reports. That's a player we could take who may play Guard early on, but who you'd hope would eventually play OT. Or at least be able to play tackle. Similar to Jenkins. As for Tom, the talk of him playing Center was primarily among fans, and when you thought Bakh was finally back from injury. I do think what Gute did with Tom and Walker, that's a HR. If Walker is bad and needs to be replaced or if he continues to get better. Finally, it's a very...un-Packer like thing to project, but they may very well take another off-ball LB in the first. If you flipped it and said we played in the base the majority of the time and McDuffie could handle ~80% of the snaps, I'd say wait and see, but we know that's not the case. Edggerin Cooper or Payton Wilson may be too good to sit and wait on and too important to this new scheme.

It's such a luxury having Tom. I actually still believe his best position would be Center. I think he could be a Kelce-type Center. But, of course, you don't take a successful OT and move him to Center. I can only imagine how fond of that move his agent would be. Speaking of which, as these guys start to become eligible for extensions, Tom has to be near the top of that list after Love. Can't be until after year 3, but he'd likely get 5/100 on the open market. Hopefully they can lock him up next year for ~4/74 on top of the last year. Spread it out. That number could go up with another big year, but I don't think that's crazy with the way the cap is growing. As for moving up, I have seen different mocks where Alt or Fashanu go in the teens. That'd be a tough call though. What's the cost? 25+58+91 to get up to ~13? I think they're worth it, but it's a high cost. Brock Bowers is the best College TE I've seen...and he may not go top 10. Kyle Pitts was just such an insane talent, but yes, guys like that are rare. I've seen people argue that Graham Barton and the Center from Oregon are those types of talents. I don't know if that's true or if they're just the best Center prospects. Barton wouldn't surprise me at all given his versatility. I'd still also include DT into that premium position...but they get over-drafted so much that it's exceptionally rare to get a guy who's a good pass-rushing DT and good vs the run. Wyatt for example, he was not and still hasn't shown he's a very good run defender. I think he'll be better in a 4-3 playing one gap. And Brooks was better in College playing as a DE(edit, originally said DT). He could play more outside or Wooden could. He has the more prototypical size. That said, I would not be surprised if a guy like Verse drops or Latu(the FSU/UCLA Edges) drop and Gute takes one. If he's shown one thing as a GM, it's that he wants to get those edges before it's a need. It'd be overkill IMO, but they like keeping them fresh and this is likely Smith's last year. Marshawn Kneeland would be an ideal choice at 88. 6'3 275, athletic(9.54 RAS). He's listed as an edge, some teams are calling him a DT...he's aggressive, strong and would be a great developmental prospect. But I agree, I'd definitely not go back to edge in Rd1.

I'd rather keep all 4 and watch one lose their value than trade one and that guy take off in another organization. Plus, the guy I'd prefer to trade...I don't think a lot of people are going to want him as he's injured regularly. I don't think you're getting a whole lot for any of the three non-Chourio OFers. So keep them, let them figure it out and in 2-3 years if you have 3 really good OFers and you want to trade one when Yophery or Lara or whoever else is ready to step in, then do so at that point.

I bet with a friend each year...someone who's an incredibly pessimistic person. He's got them at 70. It's 100 bucks+10 for each win off(so if they win 80, I win 200). I'd say 86 though. I like the offense and I think they'll find enough pitching. It'll be interesting though. I think losing CC is a bigger loss than people realize...but hope I'm wrong on that. Burnes was a big blow, but Ortiz and Hall are ready to step in. It's ultimately kinda like the Packers season last year. I just want to see the young guys step up and improve. I don't have big expectations or hopes for the post-season, but I think the regular season will be up and down, but hopefully exciting and make the future look even better.

And I do get that, we could get Morgan or Sumatia(Sp?) at 41 or the kid from Yale, or Blake Fischer, Paul in Rds 2-3-4. Washington has a big OT who looks like a prototypical Packers pick. I'd just say if you look at the players likely to be available around the Packers pick. Say Wiggings, DeJean, Barton, Jackson-Powers(can't imagine a Center, but he's a really good one)...etc...the player with the most upside is Guyton. Here's another...wildly unrealistic trade where I end up moving down and adding a 1st(TB trades up 1 spot and gives up a 3rd). But I moved down each time. The only thing I'd change is I'd have moved up at 58 for Cooper and then I'd have taken Hicks over Bullard. And Luke McCaffrey is a weird random...gadget guy. A QB who is tough, can run the ball, and throw the ball. He could be a fun player. One helluva gunner also(though I've also said it's pointless to take a WR who likely can't beat out Melton and Heath, but as I'm not Gute and I had about 19 picks...I picked him.

Well...we have a higher, more educated class of Packers fan on this board(particularly when they agree with me😁). But I've argued a bit on Twitter and I just hear how Walker shut down Parsons and I see the W/L rate. Honestly, I think the Packers' offensive line and their grades have been helped by Rodgers and Love...when the latter was playing well. Getting the ball out, the way they manipulate the pocket, throwing off that backfoot to avoid getting hit and still dropping it in there. The playcalling. But people see the Packers listed at #8 for Pass Rush W/L rate and...IDK. Bears fans do it as well with Braxton Jones. He graded out higher than Walker(neither great, IIRC ~68 and ~66). I've said if I was a Bears fan, I'd be taking Caleb Williams, trading up for Alt(or Fashanu). Then you have two GREAT OTs(at least in theory, I think Wright is a really good one) in front of Williams, he has a couple of WRs. You give Caleb all the things he needs to win. I think if you polled Packers fans, MOST would go CB, OL...but mostly to fill in at RG. And then LBer is hanging over our heads right now. We need a LB to pair with Quay. Even if we are "only" in the 43 15% of the time...(Andy Herman's estimation, I think it's a little low, but we are in sub most of the time)...McDuffie isn't that 2nd guy. He's great as the #3.