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When you say value, what do you mean? Obviously, they're nowhere near Giannis/Dame, but I think you could very easily trade either, get back pretty valuable assets. The players are likely going to be roster filler and I'd expect a couple of 1sts from a good team, one from a middling team(Houston for example). We do have our 1st this year and a mid 2nd. So we've got another shot at drafting young talent. We're going to have to get a little lucky and hit on someone like a Desmond Bane type if we're going to extend this window. Ironically, he was drafted with what was originally our pick. The Bucks were also trying to move up for Jalen Williams a couple of years ago. I think they know they need to utilize this draft and that time is running out.
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I'm not sure if that's the case...if anything, I think the pendulum has swung back more toward CB after his workout...albeit one lacking the 3-cone and short shuttle. He's such a good athlete that even if he is a safety, I'd gladly take him and pair him with McKinney. You can play each in the box, single high...whatever, they'd be interchangeable. The Packers are also apparently very high on Tom at Center per Rob Demovsky who said someone in the building said he's "a Pro-Bowl Tackle, an All Pro Guard and a HOF Center." That's great and I think we've talked about him quite a bit at Center. That'd tell me they're really looking at an OT prospect. Fautanu makes the most sense there with where the Packers are drafting and how realistic they can move up without giving up too much draft capital.
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No, he fit the exact parameters of what Jopal was asking and he wasn't a comp to anyone, his underlying metrics meant nothing or had nothing to do with this conversation.
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I think you guys are maybe...overstating the impact of a shoulder surgery. They sure and they're awful, but you're describing it like he's not going to be able to do anything for the next year and then it's going to cost him all this muscle and now his entire career trajectory is off. If his body changes long term because of a shoulder injury, he wasn't going to be a stud anyway. In 6 weeks, he'll be able to be working on his legs and core and just working out. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up STRONGER because he spends the year focused on rehabbing rather than the daily grind of playing baseball where it's EVERY day all summer and you're far less likely to be spending the time you should be in the Gym. If Jacob Misiorowski misses a year, I'd be 100% with you. Quero will still be a very young catcher by the time he's healthy next year. A 22 year old Catcher in AAA on the doorstep of the big leagues? We'd all say he moved very quickly.
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I don't think it's on that level. Woodruff was hurt right before the playoffs last year headed into a very winnable series vs the eventual NL Champs. Quero is a 21-year-old catcher who's already extremely advanced and he'll recover. He doesn't have to throw 100 pitches at maximum effort every 5th day. He was on the verge of the bigs. He'll sit out, maybe play some Winter ball and he'll be back next year and it sucks...but it may even end up working out better for the Brewers service time wise given they have an AS Catcher at the moment.
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Of course there's some bias as I watch him more, but I really like Kolek early Rd2 if he's there for the Bucks. He seems like the type who could come in right away, be the backup PG, play solid defense, but mostly on offense camp out, and knock down some corner 3s.
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Ashby optioned…. Herget selected……Devin to 60 day IL
BrewerFan replied to markedman5's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
I'm pretty sure you just get the right to buy into the MLB Health Insurance for the rest of your life. I believe 43 days of service time gets you a 34K pension though...so really get 43 days! -
The Eagles are designated the Home Team, the Packers the Road team. The Packers will still have 9 home games this year.
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I don't think that's a uniquely American problem. That's more a byproduct of capitalism. You charge what people are willing to pay. I also wouln't call it "greed," I'd just say it's the free market. I'm sure there are plenty of Soccer games that are significantly more expensive to go to...Cricket, whatever. I equate this to working on a Holiday. The time is more valuable, your work is more valuable. Is that "greedy?" Not by the literal definition in my opinion, but it sucks for the consumer. I'd say there is certainly corporate gouging that qualifies as Greed, but I don't want to get too political here, so...I'll leave it there.
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My thought was Burnes...but that was off like...2 games and I didn't know how big of a leap it was. Also, in one game he was throwing ~94, and then he was up to the upper 90s. And then there was just inconsistent movement. He had some changeups that had late movement, but it looked like most didn't do a whole lot other than keep lower-level hitters off balance. Slider could also be really nice at times. I thought he had top the upside to be maybe a good #2, maybe a #3, but thought I may have been overly optimistic. Good to see others who've watched him more are seeing it.
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I'm a big Turang fan...but it'll be interesting to see where he settles in. I hope Wilken is working on his body and his agility. I know there's always this "they'll outgrow 3rd," but...they don't have to. You're talking about a guy out-growing a position from ~21 to his mid to late 20s. You SHOULD be training like a CB or WR. Working on your feed and quickness. I feel like Baseball is behind in that respect. I hope I'm wrong. But, I'll still make my best guess. 1B-Wilken 2B-Ortiz SS-Turang 3B-Pratt(all '24, he could easily see hiA at some point, allows for a full year in AA in '25, then he signs the Chourio type extension😁). Utility-Brown-SS/2B Black-1B/2B/3B...maybe, and LF That'd be if players develop. And I'm not moving Wilken because I don't think he can handle it, though it is a bit of a waste of a 65-grade arm, but because Pratt looks so impressive early on after coming as a highly regarded prep-prospect.
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So this is a REALLY overrated farm system then?
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I'd agree. You wish they'd have insisted on that 1st from the Jets, especially now(how set up would we be for the future if we had gotten that? Maybe if Murphy doesn't run his mouth)...but I'm thinking you could get someone like Fautanu by giving up 58 and moving up and still have 2 more premium picks. And Fautanu could actually help more this year. I'd be so tempted by the idea of moving up to #6 as @reillymcshanesuggests since I've been mocking Alt to the Packers since they were 2-5 and it looked like a lost year, but I think that's not only too much to give up, but I don't think the Giants would make that deal. I throw the charts out when there are truly elite players atop the draft. With 3 WRs that scouts are saying would each be top 3-5 picks in most drafts and 3 really good QBs, I think trading into the top 6 would cost even more. So I'll let the Vikings do the reverse Herschel Walker...if it were up to me.
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They ARE fighting right now to reinstate the one-time transfer rule. The DOJ however has joined in on the lawsuit as well as some states. I'm not positive how it's enforced, but I know of athletes who have signed 2-year NIL contracts(in each case when they had two years left). They had to repay the money from the first year if they didn't complete the two years. It obviously depends on who it is, but it was 250K and 400K a year for the two more public ones. This was in Wrestling...so can't imagine a revenue sport.
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That was the rule. They could transfer once. Then the NCAA was sued and there was an injunction issued allowing for multiple transfers. Not sure when or how that'll play out, but that was just a few months ago. The exceptions were for graduate students, but I don't know if the NCAA is still fighting it(I'd imagine they would be).
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Is it ever? I was excited about the future combination of Bitonti and Pratt on the left side as soon as the 6th rd was over! There's enough crap that happens that sucks(Quero separated🤷♂️ shoulder)...might as well be optimistic
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Powell again just recently reiterated the still plan on the 3 cuts this year.
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I don't think it was an issue with scheming him open, I think it was when Brady took over, that they stuck to the run game...and it paid off in a big way. Ran for at least 100 years every game the rest of the year and there was a direct correlation between Diggs decline in production and James Cook and the run games increase. More than anything, the Bills were just kneecapped with the salary cap. "The salary cap has never prevented a team from signing a player, poor personnel decisions have." -Andrew Brandt Von Miller's contract extension was one of those deals. Dawson Knox, Milano...but more than that, they've had some huge injuries(White in back-to-back years) and poor drafts since Josh Allen. Also traded Wyatt Teller, an AP caliber Guard, a position of weakness for them for years after for a short term fix. They did what I would hope Gute doesn't do, and that was go all in to win the SB with a young QB. We saw Gute do that with Rodgers...but that made sense. The Packers will hopefully thread that fine line between being aggressive and going for it...and playing it too conservatively with a young(hopefully) Star QB.
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You and @damuelle...adding much more than just the box scores! Been looking forward to this. This might be as good as this system ever gets(Chourio graduating and Quero on the shelf notwithstanding)...So many arms, young bats. It's Christmas in April!
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That, or they're simply risk-adverse as a small market franchise. The Braves certainly sign a lot of players. Cleveland before them(Hart makes it a point of emphasis). The exact same reasons a catcher WOULD sign the extension is the reason the franchise wouldn't(particularly with 4 years of team control left). We know they made no offer to Burnes or Woodruff from at least 2020 onward. They have signed Peralta and Ashby since. This is where I'm done. We've used comps. The numbers being thrown around are about the same as Murphy...and he's a better catcher. You're still comparing a player 4 years away with the top of the market. It's just obviously not the same and I don't believe you don't understand that.
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Rutschman is a unique player and I agree, it'd be smart for Baltimore to sign him. He's...a Posey-type player. Just sounds like an incredible leader, defender, hitter, early, but on the road to Cooperstown. If I was Baltimore, I'd also jump on Gunnar and Holliday as well. That could be a Yankees-type trio. Imagine the left side of that IF...or up the middle with Henderson and Holiday. It's not like they'll be hurting to fill out 3B/1B either, but with a hometown billionaire buying the team, I'd try and lock both of them up after Adley.
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It was a direct response to your question and honestly...it feels like you're actually just arguing to argue at this point. In what world have we ever compared a FA's contract to that of a player with 4 years of service time remaining and suggested the later deserved to get paid the same as the player on the open market? 1 team offering to pay for your services over the next 4 years Vs 32 teams offering to pay for your services right now. When was the last time a Milwaukee hitter in the majors did not play out his six years and head to free agency. This is an entirely different point than why would Contreras take a deal for less than the very top of the market FA catchers...despite being 4 years away from being a FA Catcher himself, but the POINT was that it happens a lot. A lot of players don't play out the 6 years and head to Free Agency. I'm not sure how that's arguing just to argue. What does Keston Hiura have to do with it? Well, it was ONE example of a Brewers player who didn't make it through 6 years(and it's really more like 7 years) and hit FA. He's also a player that was primed to sign a deal very early in arbitration and a pretty good example of why SOME players make that "boneheaded financial decision" to secure generational wealth. You are the one who cited Murphy, the closest possible comp to Contreras as a reason why he would not sign that deal... although Murphy was, again, closer to FA and a better player.
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If you went back a decade or more, there'd be too many players to count who did not play out his six years and head to Free Agency. I'd just off the top of my head mention Keston Hiura who's now in the Minors. I also highly doubt the very small impact of the increased pay from the last CBA...will every have anything to do with if a player signs a contract for near, or at 9 figures.
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The guys that usually get 2-way contracts are high upside type players. Storr is too athletic to turn into a good defender...if he wants to.
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I'd tend to agree. They need quality more than quantity and they have two really big holes to fill...IOL, LB. Secondary is a need. I'd say it's fine if Barry was still here, but if you're going to play a much higher pct of single high-man coverage. I know my preference would be to trade up for a guy like Fautanu(especially given the combine which really cements him as an OT prospect who can at worst start at OG). I'd guess that be who they'd be targeting between the Seahawks picks...if that rumor is true(seems unlikely they'd be that invested this early) OR another CB. DeJean fits the bill at both if he tests well, so he could be move up the board, Mitchell has been outstanding in the pre-draft process. And they need to get an LB and probably before #50 or so. They could get that RG later and worry about OT later, but the OT classes have been terrible for the last several years. This year it's loaded. Plus, again, Fautanu would likely be a Tyler Smith-type OL, but more polished and NFL-ready coming out.
