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I think I pretty much agree with all of this. Yeah, I'm still not sure what Jordan Love is. It's possible he's Jay Cutler-ish. We mocked, but he looked like a franchise QB in Denver. Obviously he's better at protecting the ball, but I do wonder if maybe he's trying to a bit too hard. He seems to err on the side of caution when it comes to his throws. He seems to make sure(usually) that if he's going to miss, he's going to miss safe. There were maybe 5 poor throws that I think could have made this an elite game for Love(I think the poise and just the outcome make it an elite game for the circumstances). -But the throw to Musgrave down the seem. Again, hard to tell if Musgrave started to sit down on that one and Love expected him to keep going, but the throw was at least not in danger of being picked. I actually wrote down a couple throws in a text, but there was a couple of outs he threw to the inside shoulder. Can't do that. -A BIG issue yet are the plays where you're not sure who it's on, but Love and his receiver clearly aren't on the same page. The throw to Patrick Taylor, Wicks running a hitch and sitting down in coverage when he had outside leverage and there was nobody outside of him(I'd assume that was supposed to be an out, but who knows). The worst was the one with Taylor as he threw the ball like 4 yards in front of him...but also, why? Why not get it out to Taylor and put him on a CB 1 on 1? It's like he was throwing a back-shoulder but to a RB who's not particularly good at catching the ball. So I don't know what Love is, but I sure as hell know what he CAN be and that is...an elite, top tier QB. The throws to Doubs, the throw to Reed down the sideline, some of those corner routes...and he is so calm in the pocket. Something a rookie QB would not be. The 4-5 missed throws, the 4-5 passes that COULD or should have been caught and you see how Love ends up with a good performance, but still a .500 completion percentage. I'm confident he'll address those issues, but I also know the tests will keep getting tougher. It was always going to be up and down, but MLF had no choice but to trust him this week down 17 whereas last week, he made the choice to spend the final 16 minutes trying to run it out save for I think 2 pass attempts in obvious passing situations. He's certainly not proven he's going to be the next great QB in GB, but the optimism there was to start the season seems justified...through 3 games. J Again, the way he keeps his cool on that 2 play sequence, the RPO where he kept it and then made an All Pro in Demario Davis miss. Then he comes back, throws it back across his body and beats a top ~10 CB in Lattimore? Incredible sequence. What he does with Bakh, Jenkins, Watson, Jones and hopefully Tom...who could all play this week(or all not play...Jenkins the most unlikely as far as we know) is going to be another really interesting test. Hutchinson bearing down on him sans Bakh or Tom will be a test. We'll see how it goes, but I never expected this growth to be linear. -Agree on Valentine. Very good news that he didn't tear his bicep. -Doubs, Wicks, all these guys look competent and if Watson can be a #1, it's going to be allow all these guys to slide down a spot, get easier matchup's and it should make things a lot easier. I don't know if Doubs "disappears -Reed can drop the ball and make some highlight catches and make contested catches rare for a rookie WRer. -Gary needs to be signed ASAP...I think he's already at ~30M a year. A 4/120 extension and it's only going up. He has DPOY upside. -Also agree on Savage. Clark...I'm still not totally sold on. He dominates when facing a guy like Bergeron or a backup as the Saints had injuries on their IOL...but he played well. -Quay Walker looked great again, Wyatt is getting into the backfield. Douglas is still playing well. I still believe a good DC would take this group and elevate it. I can tell what the Packers defense is going to be pre-snap 95% of the time. Going back to Valentine, I think he should be getting snaps regularly when he's healthy. -I haven't I think as far as Deguara goes, it's hard to be a really effective blocks if your RB doesn't help you. I'd be more curious to see if there's a difference on Jones runs vs Dillons runs. Wilson was fine, but I think he needs more carries to get into a groove. I suspect MLF is starting to see he's just not an effective back. I'll start with Deguara, but there are a few other players I'd love to see added(or positions) or positions addressed this off-season(Is it too early for that? Probably, but it's about 90% of the reason I watch CFB. The ND-OSU game had 3 OL who we could pick in Rd 1 or 2 who'd fit perfectly). But; TE/H-Back, a Delanie Walker type; -Jaheim Bell is a freak athlete who's a 6'3 240 LB TE who's got great speed. I think he'd be a great pick in Rd 3/4. He's actually carrying the ball at FSU and blocking as a FB. He was a guy they used at WRer at South Carolina. Sounds like the consummate team player and if he's willing to do the dirty things, he could be a fun toy for MLF. -If we could manage to draft a guy like Latham. Sumatrian(BYU), or even moving up and getting Alt(or even their RT who was one of 2 OL to ever start as a true Fresh before getting hurt early, then coming back as a Soph and Alt winning the LT job and he got pushed over to RT). That'd be huge. -2nd rd a guy like Van Pran, the Center from UGA would be a HR. You could have a ton of options. Walker is probably an elite Guard if you wanted to move him in there(not that you have to, just if you have Tom and you find a LT in this very deep draft, he'd likely be one of the best 5). -JRJ is a guy who gets a 4/40M deal based on being so reliable and steady, but I just can't justify spending that on him. He isn't a difference maker. My opinion on Myers remains the same. Guard would be his best position, but you need a better option. There are so few area's on this team where we have talent holes and the interior OL is one of them. I think you may have been right about spending on a safety this year as well. There are just several proven safeties available. Though one of those players may be Savage. It'd be nice IF we extend him to do so before the 1st day of the league year so we don't have to eat all that void money, but that won't make or break anything. That's already there and just an accounting issue. Matt LaFleur is also owed a lot of apologies; I still think I see a 8-10 win team, I think there is even MORE individual talent on this defense than I thought. I think MLF is doing an outstanding job. That 4th down play, I get Wilson short-hopped Love and then Love slipped, but it was a great idea and one that would have been worth 7. Going for 2 was great. Love using his legs like he has while also not taking big hits has been great. Keeping the team together down 17 and without 6 of the...what, 8 best players on this team was huge and he gets credit as does Love(only Barry doesn't as they could pitch a shutout and I'd still not believe he contributed to it. The Packers are keeping it interesting.

What a bizarre way to word this. Have we seen anything to suggest we WILL see him? Sorry, big fan. But who is he replacing? Perkins? Not sure that makes sense. I guess I'm thinking even more about the post-season roster, I guess if you're playing a team that's gonna throw 3 RHPers at you, you go with Mitchell over Wiemer or vice versa depending on the LHPers(The Marlins for instance). I'd have at least one on the roster due to their defense at base running, but I don't think it'd be the guy who hasn't played all year.

Ok...so here's what we know. 1-Jordan Love can manage a game and beat up on base defenses 2-Jordan Love can look REALLY bad and miss some throws a good QBs should make. 3-Jordan Love can look REALLY good and make some throws VERY few QBs should make. So...Jordan Love is...what exactly at this time? The only thing I know...Joe Barry still sucks. Even when the D plays well, it feels despite of Barry.

Well, if he ends up in the best player in the Junior Caminero trade, I'll be very happy!

If 2024 is a recovery year, things will have gone much worse than they could have anticipated. They were hoping to get him back in the BP this year...until his first couple rehab starts. They should not be planning on spending another 10 months trying to build up his arm strength. He just needs to get that arm strength back and the control and command will come with the confidence of a healthy shoulder. I trust if it was a bad enough injury they even entertained the thought '2024 would be a lost year, they wouldn't have him throwing an Inning on the last day of the regular season.

Especially for a guy who was going up against Gunderson or Jordan. Myers also seemed solid. But Love really has consistently worked the pocket REALLY well. Even if he's missed throws like early this game, he's stepping up in the pocket, side stepping pass rushers and if he needs to, he's bailing out and getting out into space.

I don't think I was following you. This isn't Twitter. I was just curious what you based your...conspiracy theory on in which the Packers sit out 6 elite players for Love's home opener because they just knew they had it in the bag vs a 2-0 team, but...it's alright. I don't need any...what are they called...uh...facts. It's alright. You believe they did. That's fine. I will "unfollow!"

Well, a robot would be able to get to his 2nd read and see that he's wide open, so...I'm sure they'd love that. Also, really funny how DJ Moore went from arguably a top 5 WRer who just didn't have a great QB to a mediocre WRer with Fields. The FEW throws Fields has made that have been great throws bounce off his hands like he's 2015 Davante Adams!

You literally just beat me to it. I just need to see the Bears win enough games or see enough from Fields that they decide...he deserves another year! Two top 10 picks, get him Marvin Harrison Jr, a LT and surround him with more talent. That...that's definitely the issue. NOT that he's just too slow in identifying the open man!

Eh...we'll see. The Cards have found a way to squander big leagues. I wouldn't be surprised to see them just...drop the ball in victory formation up by 4 and watch the Cowboys go all Herm Edwards. It's also going to destroy me to watch the Bears get Caleb Williams. I am...pretty sure he's going to come in and immediately be a top 10 QB and potentially be the 2nd best QB in the league.

It sound like it's literally just pure speculation right in the article. I don't think they're presenting it as fact. Here's the equation- Does Craig Counsell care more about making 10M a year and Managing a team that's...just objectively speaking, going to have a better chance to win the next 5-6 years; OR Does Counsell want to make...~7M and manage a team that's still got a pretty good chance to win and be able to drive home in about 20 minutes following every Brewers home game and see his family? OR Does he just want to take a break and watch his kids because...how many millions do you need and can you spend them to get time back with your kids?

That may be a perfect example. McCarthy REALLY was a innovative coach. And then he started getting massages and stopped innovating. Maybe that's the issue with Payton? I'm just still kinda stunned at what we saw from Love. Like I said, I'm not saying he's the next great QB, but...for perspective; 4th Q Comebacks vs winning teams; Jordan Love-1 Aaron Rodgers-0

Well, if it's bad, they'll come out and say, "I'm disappointed for Zach, it's a significant injury." If they're unsure...it'd mean it wasn't an ACL and then saying "we'll see what the tests say and how he feels," means it's probably just a tweak....I think. But as long as we don't "really feel for Zach," then it's not the worst case.

What an amazing game. Jordan Love through two weeks proved...he could be a competent QB. He could be a guy who could manage a game in the way Brock Purdy could. This game he showed he is CAPABLE of being an elite QB. There were SEVERAL balls he threw that the idiot calling the game made no note of(like Reed on the sideline where Love drops it in his hands and he gets pushed into the water coolers). There are still WAAAY too many issues. Did Patrick Taylor run the wrong route or did Love just make that bad of a throw down near the goal line? Too many balls he wasn't putting out in front of the WRer, lots of drops. But in that 4th Quarter, he started to just let it rip and made some outstanding plays. Also, PAY RASHAN GARY NOW! The longer you wait...he's actually going to have an argument to get paid more than Bosa. NOT that he's better, but he was in that elite group of edge rushers two years ago, he was elite last year and now he's got 3 sacks and 4 QB hits over Ryan Ramzyk who...I must have missed something, but he was one of the premiere pass blocking RTs very recently. I don't think I learned anything new about the D. They can dominate, Barry sucks...death and taxes... Newman held up...Walker was alright. But man, Love can be so good when he's on. I hope we see him build off that in Detroit since...that's pretty much what the whole season is about. Detroit has a tough defense, so another test next week.

There is literally zero reason to cut Bakh. How are the "players running the asylum?" You hear Bakh talking about not being able to play? The dude is gutted by it and I'd imagine MOST pro-athletes are. He appeared to be all the way back last year...there was no reason to think he wouldn't be a reliable player(who may miss some time, but not worth cutting).

Common ground can ALWAYS be found!

Yeah, but YOU stated definitively they'd held out players who were already injured and hadn't played(aside from Jaire) because they thought so little of the Saints. I think that's silly when there's...literally no reason at all to believe that.

I mean...for all intents and purposes I am! A wall isn't NEARLY as entertaining though...unless it's one of those walls where they paint a design into it and then you have a person who jumps out and startles you. I suppose that'd be more entertaining. PLEASE just promise me you'll stick around and be here the next year or two? I need you telling us signing LA players is a waste or resources when Chourio is a ROY candidate, Quero gets called up as a catching prospect and Uribe....well, we already know what Uribe is!

I don't ever assume anyone likes Joe Barry. He is awful. I mean, leave the man's dog alone, but...get him out of town. Now...what the hell is going on with Carrington Valentine? I thought he was gonna have a big game. This is a defense with really good players all over it...at every level and they do not play as a unit, they don't do anything creative, they rely exclusively on players making big plays.

It's wasn't all new money is what I'm saying. He when he signed his deal he had...~64M fully GTD. We also need to remember the Packers were trying to clear cap space to move Rodgers near record 40M and change in dead cap space(I think it was a couple hundred K below what ATL ate when they cut Ryan). In any event...this year is making it abundantly obvious the Packers should be looking at LTs early in next years draft(or I suppose if there's a RT, take him and play Tom at LT). Walker is a nice player. I'd like to aim higher than nice. I'd also like to see them draft a Center early. Alt, Mims, I don't care who. Love needs to start hitting some of these Deep shots. A couple of them may be the WRer not finishing the route or flattening out...that ain't the problem on every one. Or if it is, it's on Love to get it figured out.

No...no bad. But you have really gone all in on the defensive side of the ball, so you're kinda hoping they're better than not bad. That was an incredible catch by Olave and good coverage by Valentine. I guess if you're going to be without your #1 RB, #1 WRer, #1 CB and #1/2 OL...it's good to see what the young guys can do. And what we're seeing is that...Joe Barry still can't come up with a scheme that'd confused a JV QB.

His base salary this year was 6.7M. It wasn't 17M. I don't know if you're looking at just the cash paid out by year or what, but they didn't take a 17M base salary and convert all but 1.2M into a signing bonus. They took the roster bonus and the Base and that doesn't add up to 17M.

??? Why do you believe they're holding players who could play out for the Lions game? I'd just about guarantee they're not holding out players for Detroit. Everyone knew the Saints were a very good defense.

I'd guess they just blew it dead. If they said he was down...well...he just obviously wasn't. But sure, the last thing I'm upset about is if they called that 3rd and long a sack of INC pass.

This was the first year they could have cut Bakh and you'd have had to believe he had VERY little value to cut him with a 40M dead cap. The way he came back last year, there wasn't much reason to expect him to be worth...such a massive dead cap. Most of the new money was still GTD money, just paid out differently and I doubt they thought he was going to be less healthy. Even after a weird season in which he came back, played a couple games, missed a game, appendectomy and then finished the season playing every snap the last...what, 5 games? He's missed 6 games out of 20. That feels a bit premature. Jones missed 4 games each of his first two years.