BrewerFan

Why not just include Made? If Prospects mean so little, particularly top 100, would they laugh at Made? I'd ask where you think these young MLB stars come from, but... they must just materialize!

No, it's very much an actual physical location. It's also not just "fan puffery." There was a article... posted on here, don't recall from where, but pitchers who the Brewers had acquired, who had MLB experiance, they saw their ERA improve more than any other teams pitchers. But, setting that aside(not even sure how I'd find that article at this point)... they're consistently top 5 in the league in pitching despite being a small market that can't spend on pitching... in fact, for the 3rd straight year now they've traded away an all-star pitcher. And I'd guess they're back in the top 5 in ERA again next year as they consistently are. That's quite a bit tougher to do when you can't afford to buy FA's like the Dodgers for example, or without using a lot of 1st rd picks like the Reds, Pirates(early 1st rd picks as well). So, regularly top 5 despite losing elite pitchers. Their top prospects are seldom pitching prospects, often unheralded guys like Patrick or...Myers two years ago, Peralta was a low level throw in when he came here. Megill was a guy who didn't have a whole lot of value. Quinn Priester, he was considered a bust. Even guys like Woodruff, Burnes, not exactly blue chip prospects when the Brewers drafted them. The fact is, they do as good of a job of any team in Baseball at identifying pitchers who they think they can get more out of with limited resources and little fanfare and consistently put together a very good rotation and BP. https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/mlb/brewers/2023/03/21/what-goes-on-inside-the-brewers-mysterious-pitching-lab/70026803007/

It's a BIG swing from ~5-6 years. Brady, Brees retired. Watson looked like a great QB, Lamar looked... not as good as some people argue, but good. Mahomes looked like the next great and Rodgers was still winning MVPs. Even Big Ben was still playing, Ryan Tannehill was good, Wilson was still good. One of those guys is still an elite QB and he just tore his ACL yesterday. Who are the elite QBs now? Allen, Mahomes. Is there a 3rd? Herbert? I don't think I'd put him in there, but I like him a lot. Then I guess Love(IMO...I realize opinions vary on here). Dak? Is Dak actually an elite QB or does he play with Pickens and Lamb on turf with a good OL? Maye looks really good, but it's one year and Jayden Daniels looked great last year.

Yeah... he has to do all the planting and pushing off as a WR, but he has to do it while trying to stack a DL or bend and get around them. That's exactly what makes him great. This probably does hurt him more than Bosa's(speaking of which, they'll be getting him back and should be a SB contender again next year). I don't disagree with anything you've said, but it's the Packers job to get by without Parsons. Hopefully his is clean and rehab can go well. Watson may be optimistic, but I believe they can play well enough without Parsons to hold it down until he comes back. If that's week 8 or 10, 14, I don't know. And I take it back. There's probably ONE injury that was more impactful to their SB chances than Parson's. Bakhtiari. I think we win a SB that year with him and I think we're favorites the next year. But that's pretty much a worse case scenario. We don't even have a 1st rd pick to cope and look forward to the draft... ******* what a miserable game.

It's a LOT better than it was ~10 years ago. I still can't believe that Dez Bryant catch wasn't a catch or the famous Calvin Johnson catch. Or there was a TE, I think it was the Bengals, but he caught the ball and was reaching out over the goal line and they ruled that a non-catch. The whole "football move" part makes it complicated. Watching Twitter argue over the Wicks catch vs the Bears, they would definitely agree with you(I thought that was a catch... but I'm biased).

That does make the most sense. It really seemed like a shoulder or collarbone. And then they said they were unsure if he'd make the trip back to Green Bay(though he did). I think you were probably right. Just having him on the field is important for this team. Remember when Parsons got here though and the defense played with SO much energy. Just everyone rallying to the ball and playing all out. I at least want to see that next week. It would also be nice if Collin Oliver's little "redshirt" season as Andy Herman put it could come to an end and he could play. He's clearly not anything like Parsons, but he's extremely athletic and was at one point considered a 1st rd pick for last years draft(you'll probably find 100+ guys who at one point or the other are in 1st rd mocks that don't end up going in the 1st, but he has speed and our DL is sorely lacking that).

This is the worst injury I can remember in Packers history(I was too young for the Reggie injury...I was paying attention, but he was already back by the time I really heard it was a season ending injury or close to it). You don't think he can come back and make an impact by mid-season next year? Granted, we don't know the extent of it("just" an ACL is much better than when Kylin Hill's knee exploded on the field) but assuming it's like Watson or Kraft, I think it sucks, but we could get back next year and be good to go. With Watson, I'm honestly not as worried about long term injury issues. It SEEMS like he's solved the soft muscle injuries he's had. The rest is just the risk of football as opposed to every time he runs holding your breath. In fact... as a whole, 1-53, our injury luck hasn't been that bad numbers wise. It's just been to the worst possible players it could be outside of Love.

"Just a cracked rib?" I agree that's very good for him in the long run and for the Packers... but that is such a miserable injury. It's not much different than a back. Everything you do hurts. Just breathing hurts. And hell, I've never cracked a rib, just a little torn cartilage. Maybe a one of those flak jackets and numbing him up. I'd still guess he misses the Bears game(as you said). Never saw Tom's injury, so hopefully that's just something like a bone bruise or MCL. Whatever. I guess the best news we could get(baring a miracle) would be a clean tear for Parsons and a Watson like recover.

Yup. Tom was bad, but at least it wasn't a clear ACL or anything, he could be coming back(though these injuries they don't always label as "significant" can end up being LVN types... Then Watson who is pretty irreplaceable after Kraft. Parsons was the final nail. It's a 3-4 year window before we've gotta start really kicking the salary cap can down the road, so losing one year really sucks. Then again, Reggie had a season ending injury and god healed his hammy! So... maybe....that could happen again? Anyone feeling confident?

I got up this morning and... and there are your posts... still talking about. So... you want to let it go, then I guess... let it go?

LOL... oh...no, no, no bud! We're not doing that! I challenged YOU to a fight?!? Why would you even say that when you KNOW I've got screenshots! "I'M the one who asked!" I just laughed at it! I could go on where you said; But this... PROBABLY feels like a good place to stop! That's funny though... I wanted challenged YOU!!! No, after you said about a dozen times I was "afraid" to meet you, I said "fine," which... I obvious wasn't going to do and then you ran and told Brock on me! Don't rewrite history when I've still got the posts here bud!

Yeah, I do find it annoying when we're talking about the Packers, I make a comment about THE PACKERS and you start talking about the Bucks and the Brewers. What about the Badgers? Marquette? How far does this fanbase extend to in a thread specifically about the Green Bay Packers? Yeah, YOU replied and "made it apparent" you were arguing with me about something entirely different. "Fly off the handle?" Get over yourself dude. Are you still patting yourself on the back for cracking that HUGE secret I was Fan174 or whatever on the old website? Well Golly! That's super impressive... if you ignore... me specifically saying that, but otherwise, incredible detective work! From what you're reading... this morning, right? Is that from Watson's Dad saying So 15 hours later, you've got more information than we had at the time... but you're REALLY invested in arguing about the "feelings," of fans from DURING the game. What purpose is that serving? And that's how this discussion started. I know we're just kinda changing it up as we go, but that was the entire discussion.

So... AGAIN, you took MY comment about the PACKERS, made it about the Bucks in 2021 and then made it about an entire metro area to include the Dodgers and LA teams when I was clearly talking about... the Packers and you're whining that YOU made it clear in RESPONSE to my post that you were talking about someone different? .... yeah, I don't care dude. You've done this a couple times. You either change the subject in reply or you use a strawman. "Everyone felt... until Parsons." Me talking... obviously about the Packers You bringing up Giannis and the Dodgers... So you talk about what you want, just... don't respond to me and respond to a different topic.

I don't think it is, nor do I think that'd work. Micah Parsons or Watson last year or Kraft this year... they can have those injuries at any time. Also, it's not that easy to win 10 gams AND rest your best players. It works in Baseball because they're a direct correlation between resting your pitcher and being MORE likely to keep them healthy come October, there doesn't work in a game like Football. It may put more of an emphasis on depth and rotations(which again, I am still excited to see Sorrell and see how he can play WITH Parsons next year)... but I don't see how you can be strategic in preventing injuries. It's... just too random and fluky. I do hope part of the future is sending more guys to Madison to work on injury prevention. It won't stop fluke plays like Watson or Parsons, but Watson hasn't had hamstring injuries, neither has Stokes. Marshawn Lloyd should sure as hell go there this off-season since he's had the most cursed start to a career I can recall. Not counting on him for anything, but also don't think they should give up on him. But, in fairness, our injuries haven't really been the soft tissue injuries we've had in the past. They've been probably fewer players, but more significant. That's just... bad luck.

To quote you, "did you read my last paragraph?" And the Rams haven't been a better organization than the Packers. Unless you're including all sports which... given this is a Packers thread, I obviously wasn't.

Yeah... that's true. Tom seems like a less serious injury based on MLF's comments. Watson... he gave the "it doesn't look good," type statement, but... maybe it's not season ending. My problem with this defense going into the year is we didn't have the CBs to play man. I think we can still get pressure on the QB... but Parsons gets those explosive QUICK pressures. Gary's a good edge, but... there's a huge gap. If we're without Watson, I'm just not sure how we score. Watson OR Kraft and we can move the ball, but neither? IDK, I think it's on to '26, but I'll try.

LOL... I don't know man, it doesn't feel right when you're the most optimistic guy! I mean, you're not the most pessimistic... but... we're all in on a 3-4 year window. Making the playoffs or losing in the playoffs, it just doesn't mean a ton to me. We are a spoiled fan base. A "blue sky," fan base as some say(at least until we get to NFCCGs).

You mean where you make a declaration about how high everyone was on our chances without knowing about Tom's status or Watson's? And no, I wasn't high on their chances with Watson likely out for the year and Tom's status up in the air. So... you can make this broad statement about how everyone "felt" but that's your perception. I'm curious how you arrived at that conclusion? A poll or... what? As for the "frauds without Micah," I... don't care if you beieve that. We were a top 5-6 defense last year without him. I think he gave us a much better chance to win. I don't know what "frauds" means other than kids on Twitter running their mouths. We were a good enough team to win WITH him depsite other injuries. Now we're not...WITH the other injuries. The fraud nonsense... it means as much to me as that 67 ********.

Wyatt is... and always has been a better pass rusher than run defender and it's never been close. He's gotten better at the later, but pass rushing was his strength.

Did you watch the game today? It's NOT just Parsons. It's Watson-likely broken collar bone. Tom is hurt. Kraft was hurt before that and our best DT and interior pass rusher was hurt before THAT. It's literally 4 of the 5 most important players on the team... and YOU'RE the one who said we're a "1 player fraud." That's not it at all. If Parsons is the only player who is hurt... we're probably not going to win, but we've got a chance. Without Parsons... AND those players we're done.

Yeah, it kinda does. Some teams have a little more margin for error, but... nobody has THIS much margin for error.

Love Parsons Tom and Watson are a close 3/4 Wyatt Kraft They're in the top 10. I'd say Cooper, Gary, Reed... maybe Wooden are the 10 most important players on this team. But 4 of the 5 most important are done.

We should absolutely be in contention next year and hopefully better. Hopefully we'll have a reasonably healthy year(by NFL standards). We had two bad FA signings that we'll likely get out of, but Gute has been pretty good in FA overall. This was why I wasn't as eager to trade for Garrett(though two 1sts, I certainly would have) but he's almost 30. Parsons is 26. He'll be back. Move on from Jenkins, Banks, Hobbs... and go for it next year. This team was good enough to win WITH Watson, Parsons and Tom. I'm not giving up on the whole Jordan Love era. Just this season. But **** this sucks.

This board can be fairly pessimistic... but... it's absolutely over. I really think the best thing you can root for the rest of the year is to see guys like Sorrell, Golden, Morgan maybe... I don't know who else, but just go with the young guys. I'll just have to look forward to Kraft, Watson, Tom, year 2 Golden on offense and Parsons and hopefully some upgrades at CB next year. But... that's a wrap this year. Even if they play in the playoffs... they're not a threat to really do much. Certainly not win multiple games.

Yeah, it's just that feeling where you KNOW what's coming, but... there's still that irrational hope. Watson MIGHT not have broken the collarbone. Parsons MIGHT have an MCL(which makes no sense). Tom...well, he could also be fine OR he could have a torn ACL. Who knows. This is pretty much the end of the season though. Welp... on to the draft?