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Yes, I didn't need a ranking to tell me Bobby Witt Jr was valuable. I... was well aware of that. He's also very good. I'm... very aware of that as well. Still don't think we'd be "lucky" to give up basically 5 prospects for the Royals to pick from, including the top prospect in the game as well as a top 15-20+ 3 others who are top 100 or close to top 100 prospects.

It hasn't in other sports, I don't know why it would in MLB. Also, I think other teams would still value speed and defense irrespective of the Brewers, I think they always did. We've just had a little more success winning in the regular season without hitting as many HRs. However, as the playoffs comes, the team that hits the most HRs still wins something like 80%(actually, I believe it's 78% to be exact) of the time. So... that really didn't change much. In the NFL, it's generally the teams that draft the best and by in large has innovative offensive play callers. Sean McVay. There's also the best teams at allocating draft capital. I don't really think there's any argument that teams who are more equal in revenue are going to try less to innovate. I think they're just as likely to do everything to give them an edge. That said, in the NFL, players have to be at least 3 years out of HS and you're not dealing with 6-9 minor league teams, scouting players as young as 13(we reportedly came to terms Maximiliano Feliz for 2M) so there's a lot more layers to Baseball... but yeah, I fundamentally reject the "eliminate the need to find new ways to win." It's sports. Athletes and teams are always looking for whatever edge they can find. Some suck at it like the Rockies or... generally speaking the Angels despite having money and some are good at it... but they're all trying. Even the Dodgers do pretty much all the things the Brewers do, but they at times eschew the defensive versatility because they can sign the best players. But they still put all the priority into scouting and development of the MiLB system. In fact, in most polls if the Brewers had the best farm system, the Dodgers have the 2nd or 3rd... and I believe the most top 100 prospects of any team right now.

For 4 years of a player making 125M over those 4 years? No, I don't think you'd have to trade both and I think that's the price "if we were lucky." It's also more like a 7-year extension unless he gets hurt and his value tanks, then it's an 11 year extension, otherwise, just 7.

Kiiinda hard to say "best case" for Vaughn is to be significantly WORSE than he's been in his first 82 games as a Brewer.

Yeah, but in this scenario, they'd be getting a MUCH bigger chunk of revenue from the TV deals all being shared. I'd imagine that'd more than make up for the 50M(or come close to it). I'm shocked that the local TV revenue sharing was agreed to by the large markets. I think you have to start this by grandfathering in some deals, maybe progressively building to it. You can't just punish the Dodgers because they like 120M a year in deferred money or a 360M payroll. But no, I don't think Mark Attanasio is hoarding the money. I think they leave a healthy room each year and turn a modest profit. And once again, just to remind everyone, Attanasio owns somewhere in the 35-38% of the Brewers. He's the principal owner, not the majority. So he's making the decisions, but he's not quite as responsible as everyone is inferring. If we're going to lose 20M a year, he has to get approval for that as he did when they borrowed for the AZ and LA complexes(I believe). If it's approved, they move forward. Likewise, if they're going to go 20M into the red, that usually requires a capital call and the other owners, even smaller owners like Giannis is going to have to pay for the2% he owns(or whatever it may be).

I don't think anything is going to do that. If the Brewers payroll was 30M this year, they'd still be charging the same for tickets and concessions. They don't raise ticket prices because they spend on payroll. They raise payroll because they're able to generate more revenue from ticket sales(and all other forms of revenue, merchandise, concessions, etc...).

He's hitting the ball the same as last year. We jump to conclusions way too soon. He's a guy who makes a lot of contact and who uses his speed to help get him on base. He won't be a power hitter, but he'll be fine. I'd also just remind people, this time last year, we were talking about Turang being a below average bat as he once again was sitting at sub .700 OPS. I'd bet Frelick hits ~.280 the rest of the way with a .340 OBP... while playing plus defense in RF.

Yes, you do. Ryan was was one of the most unique pitchers ever. I was in the stadium for his 300th win. A game at county stadium. I don't remember the details so much. Just that my Grandpa took me and another Cousin to the game when I was...a kid. 6-7. And he got the ticket framed. But his longevity and durability were amazing. He even thought his results were repeatable. That he could just have guys train like he did, throw through the pain and strengthen his arm that way. Worked out for a brief period of time for the 2010 and 2011 WS teams, but then some of those young, talented arms started getting hurt as did the Rangers prospects. Still, they kept the long-LONG toss(300 ft) and abandoned some of the other methods(through too much with a sore arm). The Football as a training tool, throwing a heavier object and forcing you to step in and use your body seems to be used by many still, though that wasn't a Ryan original that was an old pitching coach he had later in his career. Back to Mis, someone asked him how sore he was on day 3 for his BP after he threw. I think it may have been on a Fox broadcast recently or maybe just another interview. He said he wasn't really sore at all. That the day after he threw, he was, but by day three, it was mostly gone and he felt ready to go again. While I don't actually believe he'll sign any type of extension, I do hope he can go on and have one of those abnormally long careers with minimal injuries. I'll be a fan of his for the next 6 years in Milwaukee and then hopefully the next 15 wherever else he goes.

Perhaps they're working out the final details of a contract extension. 11/155? Or, most likely, they're just exercising an abundance of caution as they do with most prospects, much less the #1 overall.

No, I was kinda thinking it'd take a couple years until he really clicked. That it'd be similar to young Sheets. Stretches of really throwing well and then he'd struggle. If nothing else, have those blowup starts. Now, he's a potential Cy Young winner. You see comps lke deGrom and... SO rarely does it actually turn out to be a viable comp. Even better arguably as Mis is still refining his secondary pitches because... people just cannot hit that Fastball, but as you see from last night, he can throw 70%+ of Fastballs and just hit a quadrant and he is NASTY. If he can throw that CB at 85 and get more of a gap between the off-speed(maybe not the Slider/cutter which is apparently what the "slider" with elite movement is) but the other two. Would LOVE to see the Brewers pony up and sign him now and keep him 8 years. Or 8 more. But I think that's 8/140 at this point.

Yeah...same with Clemens. He clocked at 101... but also pitched under a different philosophy. You'd rather throw(using Mis) 96-97 and go 9IP and throw 125 pitches and pace yourself vs throwing it 101 47 times in a game and striking out as many as possible. I don't know how Ryan or Clemens compares. I've seen the same as you, but i don't know how accurate that radar gun was. we all know the big unit or Nolan were two of the greatest power pitchers in MLB history. It's just... amazing to see a guy who can do the things he can, and as a fan, it's maybe even more impressive to watch a teammate of his one-up him... at least in terms of just runs allowed and pure production! Also, hilarious to watch Red Sox fans on X. "If one more Brewers fan thanks me for Kyle Harrison...." Which... of course, at that point, it felt rude not to. I assumed, he meant if one more thanks me, I'll then appreciate the depth of their gratitude!

Not just yet. Started yesterday. I'm more concerned with Dinges NOT playing catcher.... yet again. 4 times in the last 22 games, he's caught. Is he even a "catching" prospect at this point? What's going on here? He'll be 23 by the end of the MiLB season, he's in HighA, he's raking, it's his catching that's holding him back... and he's not catching.

Oh Damn! I just went to look and I was looking at his 5 game log from the MLB reference page upside down. The bottom one I thought was the last. Took me a second. Was wondering what the hell you were so excited about 6 1/3 9H, 3ER 0BB and 8Ks... but I worked it out. 8IP, 1H, 14Ks. Ok, I guess we wait another time or three through the order. This isn't exactly urgent, but they have a LOT of pitchers I would love to see the Brewers get their hands on. Obviously... you'd have to give something up, but this is where I think a Tyler Black or Boeve(less so at this point) could come in useful. He also has an FIP of ~2.80 this year, better than Soriano, so I guess we'd likely be looking at someone else... in part because the Angels would be the dumbest team West of the Mississippi, but Colorado is also West of it. Jack Kochanowicz is definitively a guy we could do something with. Good stuff, big, just get him to throw the Cutter and he could be another reclamation project. Same with some of their AAA guys. I'm sure we'll add someone.

Yelich was... pretty much an "all-in" type of move. The equivlent of going after Yelich would be going after a guy like Corbin Carroll now. That's ABOUT as close of a apples for apples comp as you can get. I think if we did that, people would say we're going "all-in," in the way that phrase is used(really the only team that goes "all in" are the Padres year after year. But a top ~15 prospect in Brinson, two top ~60-80 prospects in Diaz and Harrison and then a very good pitching prospect in Brinson, Diaz, Harrison and Yamamoto. Yamamoto was coming off a big year, 2.52 ERA in 111 IP in 2.4BB/9, 9.6 K per 9. Player / Scope AVG OBP SLG OPS bWAR fWAR Christian Yelich (Full Age-25 Season, Through 2017) .290 .369 .432 .801 17.5 16.7 Corbin Carroll (Active Age-25 Season, Right Now) .262 .346 .499 .845 18.5 17.8 Contract left was... extremely similar. 4 years and a TO for both players and they were both VERY team friendly. Carroll is more of a power hitter, but the gap isn't huge. Adjust it a bit and I'd think Pena, Jett Williams, Luis Lara and then Knoth and maybe someone like Adamczewski? That's a better package. I think the Brewers make this type of trade if they can now. I obviously don't think Arizona is going to trade Carroll like the Marlins traded Yelich, but... my point is, the Brewers, if they'll make a trade THAT year... when they had nothing NEAR the foundation this team does... I absolutely believe they'd make a trade right now for an elite player with several years of team control. That team in 2018 had who? Shaw was solid, but of the 10 best players, you have like Jose Aguilar who had less than 1 WAR the year before, Jeffress who had .4 WAR in 2017, Hader who was still a reliever, you had Chacin who you'd just signed, and then guys like Hernan Perez, Villar, Keon Brozton. It wasn't a real talented team. So would the Brewers make that BIG move? Yeah, I don't have any doubt at all they would. A couple years ago they were calling about Bryan Reynolds(2021 IIRC and they had a very high ask, but he had ~4 years left), they've been rumored to be interest in other players, but for the same reason we haven't seen a top ~25 prospect traded since... Manny Machado or... maybe even Chapman, it's less likely to happen because teams value young, stud players with 3-4 years of team control. How many teams think they're THAT far away from being competitive? The Brewers were also in on Crochet. They got the prospects that would become their #2, #5, #8 and #18 ranked prospect in the CWS system, a system that ranked 6th compared to ours(7th). That's ROUGHLY Quero(who had more value pre-injury), Pratt, Gasser and a lower rated guy with a good hit tool, but not a whole lot else. I think that'd be about as aggressive as they'd be for a couple years of team control.

I think it's gotten a little obvious QP isn't alright. Just no control at all, putting up big ugly numbers in AAA(or HiA). He just doesn't look right. Patrick and Drohan are nice. The two names in particular that I listed, they're two guys who have nice upsides yet and who I think the Brewers could really work with. Patrick and Drohan can still come out of the pen for longer stints. That's.... extremely valuable. Saves the rest of the guys and just adds protection.

I'm still making a move for the rest of the year. I said I'd like Detmers, but I'd take a lower tier starter. Jack Kochanowicz is also like the epitome of the type of pitcher the Brewers have had a lot of success with. Flat 4 seamer, GB pitcher. Get him to ditch that 4 seamer for a cutter and he could take a nice jump. As it stands, he'd provide good depth.

Woodruff and Priester are throwing rehab starts. Though I have little confidence in Priester, I did just say I hope the Brewers kinda pamper Woody and Henderson throughout this year. A lower back issue. That certainly can be serious. It can also be a reason to allow him to skip a start and get Crow back up. I'm not too worried just yet. IF Woody and IF Henderson are healthy, I don't want to see more than 100 IP from either. We're not going to be in a situation like the Dodgers because... we don't have the pitching depth they do(when you can sign 5 guys for 30M or more a year, you are afforded that luxury) but look at how well rested they were? I'd also hope we skip Mis once or twice this year. Harrison feels more... sturdy and reliable(which I shouldn't have said.... and there's wood around me) and he's at fewer innings, so I'd keep rolling with him. Maybe they look to add an innings eater. I'm not going to guess as the Brewers find guys I don't really consider. Also, Drohan could starter or Tyson Hardin? I think our post-season rotation looks... pretty good if reasonably healthy, but we need to get through the year. Reid Detmers is a guy I'd be VERY interested in trading for. Feels like a guy we could get for relatively cheap... and finally get to turn around.

Yeah, it's almost taken for granted that you have TJ and you come back and you don't just get back, you quite often add a tick or 2. I didn't expect Gasser to throw 97(I don't have a strong memory of him throwing 95, though I'm not doubting it). I've lost some confidence in him... and I think I'm usually very optimistic. I love Sproat... or at least his potential. I'd love to see him in a Burnes/Woodruff 2018 type role later on, but he's got to locate much better also. Mis is amazing. I find myself not being impressed by his final line after he'd been so dominant in the first 3-4IP. That's just having kinda silly expectations. Harrison is a stud... but he's going to come back to Earth... I'd think. He was a really highly regarded prospect, but he's on a Cy Young type trajectory. Woody- If he comes back and can throw 92-94, he should not be asked to go more than 5IP and he should be skipped on occasion. Henderson-Same, just kinda baby him a bit. Need them both in Oct. Drohan, Sproat, Crow, hopefully Hardin. And Gasser will get more shots. I'm calling it on Priester. I think we'll see him sometime in '27.

100% Me. I wouldn't undo it and I think it'll turn out a wildly successful trade.

Pratt to SS, Jett to 3B. I guess Ortiz to AAA or make him a super utility player. I feel like Renigfo can hit and will hit much better if he were to stay up, but there's been little evidence of that, so... probably DFA him. luis Lara should be up at some point. Seems like he's an obvious replacement for Perkins. And while I DO think Uribe and Megill are "proven" I'd desperately like to get another power right hand reliever... but the cost is awfully high. I'd go left handed as well if there was a power arm. I still like Grant Taylor and would give up a lot for him, though I think it's unlikely the White Sox would oblige as I'm thinking Adamczewski as the top prospect in a trade for a controllable, elite arm. Now overly confident in Yoho as a HL reliever.

Yeah, that's fantastic, but did we ever hear what the hell was going on there? Was it actually "just" heat related?

Well... I don't believe I am and I think you're underselling Sproat by saying he "hasn't shown anything at all." Patrick is a right hander who throws about 94, is at about 6.6 K/9, his walks are up from last year... and he'll be 28 this year. I'm not all that clear what extending him does. We've got him until he's 33/34. Sproat, who has a better xFIP than Patrick, is the type of pitcher who you could probably extend cheap now. If you wait until he harnasses his stuff(like '21 Burnes)... it'll probably be too late.

Yeah, there was discussions of Priester... I'm also not sure what the point is. There's been less discussion about signing Frelick vs Turang also. It's... pretty reasonable to want to sign the BETTER player(s). Priester looked very good and... it's kinda silly the same person who was saying we need to... slow down on Misiorowski earlier this year is saying we "dodged a bullet," by not signing Preister. It's entirely premature to make any declaration about im. It certainly didn't 'dodge a bullet' by signing Ashby. But, the larger point, he was never going to cost as much as Harrison(or Misiorowski) because... he didn't perform as well as they had. He wasn't as dominant as they've been. Eh, anyway... Strider has also pitched a full year with a 1.83 FIP(well, ~135 innings) and was a two years younger, and maintained a similar walk rate, but had a higher K rate. I'm not sure Harrison would be viewed at... valuable as Strider would have at the time he signed a... record breaking deal for a pre-arby pitcher. Again, if it would take that much more to sign Harrison than Strider, I'd pass. Or at least wait until after a full season. Harrison has been about a league average pitcher thus far in his career, but you'd be signing him at the top of his value after 9 starts. 9 really good starts, but still, 9 starts and paying him top dollar.

"Only?" We're only 1/3rd of the way into the year and this is the first stretch he's really pithed well. I wouldn't go 6/96 for him, or giving him 30M for the two FA years almost 6 and 7 years from now. You're probably closer to Misiorowski's price range to add a couple TOs and if the choice is between the two, it's an easy one for me. I like Harrison, but that's a bit much. As for Patrick... I actually think he IS a bit more replaceable. Actually... a lot more replaceable. I'm not all that impressed with him this year as he looks like his stuff isn't as good as it was late last year(the post-season in particular). I'd... again, just pass and go with Sproat at a more team friendly deal as I think he's still ascending. We're seeing it, but it's just not all put together yet. Yeah, I didn't... think you meant we'd be getting a Cy Young Caliber pitcher in the first year(much less 3 of them). But Hall was of similar value to Harrison when we acquired him. I'd like to see us keeping a young arm around.

I'm REALLY hoping the Brewers go with high upside arms. It's not what they normally do(at least early) but this is more of a straightforward draft(you'd think) with fewer picks and bonus pool. -Borthwick... a 6'6 255LB HS kid with an upper 90s FB, the big spin rates that the Brewers love. What isnt' there to love about this kid other than a full 3.8M to sign him in Rd1 most likely. -Bumila the 6'9 255 Lefty who can also throw in the upper 90s and maybe an easier sign with the TJ already, but it's like reading a Misiorowski scouting report, but better spin rates and that same BIG extension. Doubt you'd be below slot on either, but I'm swinging for the fences in this class on arms with ALL the position players they've got locked up(and their LA class). I love the idea of Grindlinger if you were to go below slot. I'm skeptical you'd save much, but... give me a HS kid with a big fastball. Or... a kid who can catch and will take 75% of slot. I'm really not to picky.