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Yeah, he can ramp it up out of the pen. I also just did a... very little surface level look into Grant Taylor and... he ain't getting traded. I was ignorant about his pedigree. I thought he was just a live and unrefined arm, but he's a young guy who may still start for them. But Patrick, I'm still looking into Jordan Hicks if we could get him without giving up a ton. Just watching his pitches out of the zone, it reminds me of Megill or even Harrison where they simply had him move on the rubber so the movement kept the ball in the zone. I'm sure they'll make a trade for a reliever. I'm sure it won't be anyone I think of. I'm also... guessing they won't have a huge impact, but they will be an insurance policy. But I'd sure love another high end arm. Maybe Hardin or someone can play up in short stints(like Patrick). No clue what this staff will look like end of the year.

There was nothing "random" about them, I was making apples to apples comparisons, not comparing highly paid veteran players. They were actual trades that took place. What was "random" was the veteran list of WRs you threw out there. And I put a question mark next to Watson because... the Packers aren't even considering trading him, he's not been mentioned once in anything beyond an extension. The idea he has little trade value with his contract is... ridiculous to me. He'll almost certainly be extended this year, not traded. You mean like THESE "random" facts? You came and pointing out that Adams was traded for a 3rd... AGAIN on a bad team immediately after requesting a trade and with a large contract. I wasn't comparing him or anyone to Watson as he's not even on the table, I was comparing HIM to... him. His trade value as an expensive 31-year-old who saved the Jets money(and they still get a 2nd rd pick for him if he met the conditions of the trade). If you're getting a 1st+ for Hollywood Brown, the 5'9 WR or a 2nd for Chase Claypool, a 2nd and a 6th for Sammy Watkins, a 1st, 3rd AND a 7th for Percy Harvin, I think you're getting a 2nd for Christian Watson from 20 teams in the league(there, NOW I'm "comping" players to Watson's trade value unlike Adams). Hell, Kadarius Toney went for a 3rd and a 6th when they couldn't get the guy to show up for practice in New York...all players on rookie deals. To be clear though, you've been arguing that Watson isn't worth a 2nd in this thread then, not Reed? That's kinda shocking to me. Either way, I NEVER "comped Adams to Watson." It just didn't happen. Not them as players, not their trade value... nothing in any way. The Packers also went out of their way when extending him last year to circumvent the mandatory 12 month wait to give him another extension by putting dummy years into his contract, the void years with inflated salaries so they could extend him prior to 12 months and to a big deal(that was a deliberate move)... and have just come right out and said it(As well as numerous reports). https://packerswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2026/04/01/packers-gm-on-christian-watson-extension-that-would-be-good-for-both-of-us/89420715007/?link_source=ta_first_comment&taid=69ce84889aa76a0001b16b84&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwY2xjawRCja9leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFLRjJERHBrREhSR3Jmb0ppc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHiRX-WKfC4mM6WmSiNQg5FxjWk1IjPV6A5ajOEO4HJ8Q5HAx4PR0mVsdVzr7_aem_FeO2j3I7hAPn_jCHRorngA

Nope. But I do kinda like the signing. I just hoped we wouldn't need him the first week of the year.

I wouldn't have. He doesn't look bad or hurt, but he doesn't look particularly sharp to me. It's only 3.2 IP this year, but game 11 vs Boston in the 6th? He's ramped up earlier with the WBC and he was throwing his FB at 95 in his last appearance(he got back to 98, but still). Another Right Handed Power arm would be the one thing I'd like to see them be a little aggressive in targeting right now. Megill had the elbow last year. We had 19 lefties in the pen. The White Sox had a few guys I'd love to see in Milwaukee. That Taylor who threw for them was overpowering, but he went to his off-speed when he was throwing 102 up in the zone past us. Hicks is another guy if they kicked in some money. I'm also less bothered as I didn't expect this lineup to really do anything today.

Seems rather obvious they don't believe that. I don't think there's much illusion about Pena being a SS at this point and he hasn't even thrived at HiA. Which isn't a knock it's just we're talking about very young players. As for Pratt not "proven he can hit AA pitching," he was above league average as a 20 year old GG Shortstop. I've never been one of the best in the world at anything, but... if I were, I'd probably not worry about who is ahead of me. If I was an athlete the caliber of Made, I'd think... I'll force my way in. Or maybe like Manny Machado and Jackson Holliday and countless others, they can think, 'I'll become a GG caliber player at 3B.' I don't know how you can pull the rug out on a 18 or 19-year-old... when there's no rug beneath them. We have high hopes for them, but they haven't proven anything yet. I am fairly confident if Jesus Made is an elite defensive SS(which is in question) and he can hit like we hope he can, we'll find a spot for him. I don't think that'll be a problem.

He's a clown. Glad William is nothing like him... at least outwardly.

Not yet, but they've certainly made an effort to correct that. You still have guys like Lara who will be like that, but the whole next wave of talent is largely comprised of guys who hit for power... at least relative to their position. Pratt as a SS... I think he's going to hit for some power. It's hard for me to imagine a guy with his frame and swing won't be able to develop some, but... we'll see. Front office has been incredible.

Ahh... I thought he was first hit in STing and they cleared him, then the WBC. I guess it being vs the Nationals... muddied it a bit, but doesn't make much of a difference. As for risk, I would think the risk would be with pitchers. In the WBC, you're facing pitchers who probably have better control and would be less likely to hit you. A year or two ago, having Mis throwing in STing would have bee terrifying. It sucks, but I'm not upset with the WBC. I thought this one was exciting and was great for Baseball. I hope we don't have pitchers in it next time around(selfishly), but I wouldn't be mad about having 4-5 players from Chourio, Made, Fischer, Pena, Quero... hopefully more who are worthy. Tyler Black perhaps? Still clinging to some hope he develops as a LHed 1B/OF.

Of course they're not starting Patrick on 3 days rest, right? The... what, 11th game of the year? Why would you consider risking it. Gasser should get the start and... Crow is on the roster(40 man) also, so if you could make two moves, that may be a good idea. It's a long year, we're doing alright without Chourio(who I thought was on the verge of a breakout year), Vaughn, Priester, Henderson limited. There's just no reason to push it with any of our young arms. This was pretty much the ideal place for Tobias Meyers... but despite the results, watching Sproat, the risk-reward on that trade looks like it could be a huge win for us.

I... literally JUST addressed this exact question(Also, I referenced ONE players contract, Romeo Doubs). LOL... ok, and? Where did I compare it? Are you actually reading what I'm saying? I made the point that cherry picking trades is meaningly and very clearly said... I never cited Watson. So where did I "compared Adams' first trade" with anything Watson? The POINT was a player who is on a bad team and requesting a trade AND expensive has less value. I'd would have said bringing up Mike Williams last year for a 5th rd trade as an example of why Herman is so far off on the prospective trade values of the two players I mentioned is "laughable." But I just stated the facts. He was on the 2-8 Jets and he had 12 catches in 10 games and he still went for a 5th rd pick... so... you're reading things that aren't there. The Raiders saved 80M+ in future salary with Adams, 12M immediately and... he posted "free me," and he was 32 years old. So not Point-If a player demands/requests a trade+expensive+bad team=less trade value. Every player you cited fit at least two of those and most fit all 3. The Packers players don't fit any of those criteria.

Yeah... but you just made it that much more expensive to cut him next year. His dead cap next year would have been 13. Now it's 26. So... you just got done signing him to this contract to begin with coming off a roughly average career with the 49ers(using PFF metrics, I didn't watch him enough in SF to know what he looked like). You choose to keep him after he was injured and bad and you are paying him another 29M for this next year in new cash. None of it makes sense, but it'll make less sense to me if he plays better next year and then they still cut him despite not saving salary cap space.

I think they'll do something else in Free Agency... and I still won't understand why they did ANYTHING to that contract. You're already paying him 20M for next year(new money)... and now it's 26M cap hit to get out next year. I thought they should have cut him... though I didn't think they would. Restructuring was the worst case IMO. Yeah, but they could have done several other moves and still not done anything with Banks. He was both bad AND hurt last year. He was the last guy I wanted to see restructured and I'd have been more than fine moving off him, going and getting one of the 4-5 quality veteran OGs on the market and been free of his cap hit next year. Hope I'm wrong on him and hope @JosephCis also wrong... I don't see any sign he's been worth 26M last year.

I'm not "confusing" anything. They both speak to value and I told you where who I was citing. You're picking players who were traded because they demanded a trade on bad teams or had character concerns, large contracts. Chase Claypool was traded for a 2nd. Davante Adams was traded for a 1st. George Pickens is not the closest to Watson... Pickens was a nightmare in lock room for the Steelers. I don't recall Watson posting "free me" two years before a hypothetical trade(I also didn't cite Watson). You're conflating players with a WHOLE lot of other issues. The Raiders were terrible and Adams was expensive. Mike Williams? He was on a 2-7 Jets team that was trading everyone, Williams in 9 games that year had 12 receptions... and they got a 5th for him. I don't think those examples show anything.

Who got caught up! Literally everyone in this thread mocked the trade!

I don't think the draft is going to add anywhere near 10M(or even 7M) this year. The 2nd rd pick is a 1.6-1.7M cap hit. Even there, you're not just adding a new 1.7M, it's only ~600K added to the cap if you're replacing a player with just 1 year experiance. Once you get to the later rounds, it's only a few hundred K. In total I think the draft is only going to add 2-3M total. I do think Walker's paltry deal with the Panthers makes another similar signing possible. They were very clearly trying to ensure they'd get the maximum of 4 comp picks. Signing a FA who hasn't been released is basically like giving up a 6th rd pick at this point for Rasheed's pick. I'm sure they'd do that. Cam Jordan's very good vs the run. I think his 10 sacks were a little deceptive last year, but still a very good player. Also only 2 games missed. I don't see us going after Decker. It sounds like they like Morgan at LT, they thought he was a better LT last year, but needed to constantly be plugging holes at OG, RT. That's why I'd look at Zietler or someone on a one year deal. Zach Tom coming off a torn patellar tendon is terrifying. That's an injury that players can be slow to recover from. Zietler can still play OG at a reasonably high level, Benton looks more like a future RT than OG. I don't think much of Stackhouse, but Brinson looked really solid last year in limited snaps and seems to fit Gannon's scheme well. I'd bring back Treyvon Diggs, assuming he'll come back for ~5M for a year and look to add to the IOL.

Wick... Reed OR Watson? I guess that depends on what you consider "value" but I think a 2nd is pretty much the floor. The 2nd and 4th I was using Andy Herman's suggestions. But you did just see the deal that Romeo Doubs signed, right? He doesn't have a fraction of the impact that Christian Watson does. Or Alec Pierce. Compare his impact to that of Watson's(even with the missed time).

I guess I don't get why they're doing this when a guy SHOULD probably be playing a year in AAA yet. Is this more like a 7 year deal with 2 TOs and... then you get into the whole 2027 lock out. It's just a weird time for me, but, again, I'm such a fan of these moves that I'm not going to question it too much.

It makes having a NT, a true NT more important. Hargroves an be that guy, but he didn't like the way he was used in Minnesota last year. He wants to rush the QB and be allowed to get up field. I like the idea of being able to use Parsons in different ways. Also, someone like Collin Oliver... there was a whole lot of excitement around him the year before he got drafted. That could help him quite a bit... although in some schemes the edge has more responsibility as they have to set the edge where as DEs don't always have to in a 4-3, the Will or Sam does. The Dime defense... my guess would be it'd skew toward more big nickel with McKinney, Williams, Bullard MAYBE Oladapo or maybe just 3 Corners on the field with Cooper. I think we're going to have a good defense, but it'll come down to Parsons getting back to 100%, Wyatt... both getting back to 100% and playing like he was early last year, Hargroves being closer to how he played when Gannon was last year his DC and LVN building off last year. If we're not dominating with our 4 man front... there are going to be a LOT of Joe Barry references. And while I despised Joe Barry, I do think if you gave him Parsons, developed Wyatt, Hargroves and then the fliars that are Karl Brooks, LVN, Sorrell, Oliver and whoever else we sign, he'd have been fine. I'm REALLY hoping we're in on Calais Campbell. I love a front of Parsons, Wyatt, Campbell and then LVN. Until the big man stops having elite seasons, no reason to stop believing.

Keith Law studies them... I'm not sure how good he is... but he does. 34 pounds IS a lot. You can swing 5-10 pounds based on when you weigh in, what you've done. Your age... 17-18-19, you naturally fill out. I'm very glad they didn't say 34 pounds of muscle. I hear things like that and I roll my eyes. Nobody has added 34 pounds of muscle. You add 15 in a FULL year when going through puberty and you're an outlier. But you can still fill out. No picture of him that I've seen has looked the last bit pudgy. He's got a thick based and rear... which is good(or not bad). And he still looked... quick. I didn't see any bad weight. I also didn't have those old fat calipers we used every year of HS and College to do our body fat, but... I think he'll be fine. 34 more pounds and... I'd be a little concerned with have a future DH, but for the time being, looks like he's just developing.

What writing though? A year ago, he was a sub 700 OPS 2B with elite defense. I would suggest the Brewers would have been every bit as reticent to extend Turang as Turang. I've been driving the Turang Bandwagon for years. I love the guy, I'd love to see him extended. I'm not sure I buy the power, but I think he's just a Molitor type "Ignitor" for this team+the defense. Made can play 3rd, Pena can play CF. Jett Williams can... be a super utility player. Or we can let Turang leave in 2-3 years via trade. That's always a balancing act. This Pratt move is... really genuinely confusing to me, but not in a bad way. Just in the sense... I don't get why you do this when he's in AAA. Is it because they're worried he's about to go off? Do they have some plan for Ortiz if he starts out hitting well(I would be opposed to that).

Well... this move here is different than any organization. We're giving a player an extension before they're even MLB ready. That's a pretty strange move. I thought we'd keep Pratt in AAA all year long unless he forced the issue... and then Made would have been the player I'd have thought they'd extend IF they would have made a contract like this. Though I wasn't even considering this.

Yeah, he was also constantly behind in the count. The pitch to Montgomery was almost a get me over FB. 94 MPH sinker that... didn't sink IIRC. Yesterday was a bad outing, but I'm not going off the results. Skenes went 2/3rds. It's the stuff... which I think we're in agreement. The upside is clearly there. He needs to refine it, but I'd really rather have the young arms we have than a Quintana as the #3/4 arm. And he's really the #4/5 with Woody throwing 5th.

He'd have been in my top 15 guesses, but near the bottom! You usually don't extend a guy who... isn't really ready to play at the MLB level! I mean, I think he could give you what Ortiz did last year(mostly)... but this type of deal? What the hell, I'm all for extending as many young players as possible. I honestly think if you sign as many young players as you can to these types of deals, even if you get a few who don't live up to their potential, you still come out on top... I mean, if it's reasonable. I think Pratt's floor is a very good defensive SS/3B who can hit for some power and put up a ~700 OPS. That's a fairly negative outlook, but... that's worth this deal. I doubt the Brewers believe that's the player he's going to be. (By the way, a player I forgot was Quinn Priester... I wouldn't be shocked to see him extended for ~6/45+2 TO and some incentives based on IP and... maybe CY Voting, top 10-15).

Well.... the REAL icing would have been if he was still in the system! I hated that trade, but the ensuing two years kinda vindicated that move(not that Frankie Montas was a resounding success or two games is proof of anything). A RHed power bat who can play CF/RF... would certainly be nice to have, though I don't expect that type of foresight from Marty McFly's Baseball Almanac. Maybe a bat we can look at later in the year when he comes back down to Earth a bit? One area we're not deep would be RHed OFers who can hit for power. Or maybe he just has a really nice story to start the year. He was certainly boom or bust. I thought it'd take 1000 PAs... but I also didn't think he'd be as bad as he was early on. He wasn't playable even at AAA until last year with the Marlins. It'll be interesting to see which way he'll go from here. Can he become a viable power threat or just a flash in the pan.

They're... talented. They're not a well run team and they don't have the culture yet, but the talent they have? I've said that's at team I'd love target later this year(or earlier). That reliever Taylor... he did us some favors by not just throwing 102 in the upper half of the zone and asking us to hit it. Dominguez is a good pitcher, but... I just think we'd make him better, and Hicks, his ball moves to much, it just feels like small tweaks. Still, certainly not the Dodgers, but power arms, good young players. They're a team I think could win 75 games if they have the right staff and could get these pitchers on track. -But, more importantly, I don't care what Sproat's actual results were today. He looked like he's got the stuff to be a top of the rotation type arm. A #2 or... even an ace. He gets good movement. If he can just get ahead in the count... I think he could be a really good arm this year. I'm feeling a LOT better about that Peralta trade after today... which I realize is counterintuitive and I felt good about it to begin with, but I'm wondering who was the priority from the Brewers side, Sproat or Williams?