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Not worth trying IMO. You take a playoff win when you can get it. Let Freddy go 6, hopefully 7, save the pen. Though, it's not a crazy idea, but you're not going to have him for game 5 if you do this. It's 2 games either way... And no shot am I bringing in Mis up 8-1. If we bring in Mis, I expect it'd be a game we're down a couple runs and just tell him to go out there and try and throw it by guys. Fastball, slider, 2 pitches.

People on here act like he's... Misiorowski or something!

He never reached or grabbed at the Hammy... so I don't think that was it. Looked like he stepped funny on first. So maybe a tweaked ankle? He walked off totally normal though, so... I think it might be just that. You have Collins, 9-1 game, make sure he's alright. With the off-days? I'm hoping that's all it is.

Turnovers are largely the result of luck. It's why I didn't think our defense was actually top 5-6 last year... but I do this year(though it was a bad game vs Dallas). Is that confidence in the Jags or a lack of confidence in the Colts?

No... not yet. Years and years they've been a very different team. They've had terrible OLs and haven't had Harbaugh. There are two teams I'm not picking against this year in my survivor pool. The Browns and the Giants at home. They seem like easy wins and... they can be when they turn it over, but both are so good up front. LAC going on the road and playing the Giants and losing that game isn't surprising to me at all. Dexter Lawrence, Kayvon Thibodeaux, Brians Burns, Abdul Carter... And then the Chargers lose Joe Alt(along with Slater, but he's out for the year). I'm really not sure that they don't win the division. They've already got wins over the Chiefs and the Broncos, two very good teams. They won't get Slater back, but Alt, Mack and others will be back. I completely understand what you're saying about the Chargers of years past... Shawn Merriman and all those Phillip Rivers years, but this team is better up front. I don't think they'll win the SB this year, but I think they're right up there.

I think it was still a no-brainer to include Clark in that deal. Wooden has been playing NT(or rather he's been the 1 tech which is the 4-3 equivalent of NT). It really shouldn't be hard to bring someone in to just play a 1 technique in early downs, but I think the bigger issue is that Wyatt is such a good pass rusher, he doesn't leave a lane for the QB to step up. I'd be checking in on Christian Wilkins. If he's healthy, he should be a cheap addition and GB would be just about the best place to improve his value. He's also more than capable of playing either the 1 or the 3 and he can rush the QB. All this assumes he's healthy, but if he is, that could be a massive addition. Short of that, they should still be able to find someone to play the run relatively cheap. Mike Pennell was a FA and then signed to the Bengals PS. The holding really was just so ridiculous. Brooks was tackled on a couple plays himself. It was bad.

Yeah, I thought the declaration of Golden a bit silly given how early it is(especially contrasting it to Williams). How he's not creative? Also... the purpose of that is to agree or disagree, right? Well...I don't agree.

That's a BIG spread for a Michigan program that I don't think is that strong this year... This may be one of the easiest games left on the schedule... so, it'd be nice to be competitive. We've got the #1 and #2 teams coming up, another top 10 team.

It's a little silly to cut my quote off at the part that makes your assertion that the Wisconsin job is on the level of Stanford or Okie State because "they haven't been competing for National titles," right at the point where it suits your argument the strongest. Those are all PRETTY big parts of attracting a coach. One of the two actual power conferences left, the fact that the Badgers have far better resources and play in a better conference should appeal to coaches. I'm also not sure why we're going back 10 years, including the worst 5 year period the Badgers have had since Barry got them back to the Rose Bowl, other than... that time period was OSU's best and includes Wisconsin's worst. The Badgers have a better record in a better conference, more conference championship games played in, won, more top 10 finishes more top 25 finishes... and T. Boone Pickens is gone. Wisconsin has more money to invest and are in the midst of building new facilities. Okie St has lower academic standards and... Texas which is slightly easier for them to recruit from. Wisconsin has pretty much everything else. They also had 4 different head coaches during this transition and they haven't gone through this type of lull and been quite so dismissive of the State. So it's not hard to see where Fickell has changed things and how obviously those changes have not worked.

The S&P500 didn't exist until the 1950s(I believe '57). So going back prior to that is estimating how it would have performed with the 500 companies that would have been in it... which isn't particularly useful for looking at a trend. If you do start in '28 though, you're including the '29 crash. You still have the '87 crash and '08 crashes... though I don't think that really informs how you should invest, using 3 extreme outliers, but, it's not my money. October has historically been a very strong month, particularly if you're going to start a year before the worst crash in the last 100 years(and then two more outliers in '87 and '08) leading into the Christmas season. Unless you think a historic crash is coming, I think October is a pretty good month and... not one in which you need to trim 25%. TSM is up almost 28% since I posted that and Google about 8%. This is a better run down for long term investors. I do know trying to time the market and... beyond that, trying to use historic events to help inform that decision is... a poor idea. https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/should-you-worry-about-october-effect-heres-what-history-says

They played 37 snaps in man coverage vs Dallas. They played more man in Dallas than they've played in the first 3 weeks combined. The Packers cannot play man with these CBs. They can play some press, but now you're getting away from McKinney playing the robber. The CBs(which... I'll assume you meant as we're pretty good at safety) is definitely the weakness. It was the weakness with Jaire, it was the weakness going into the draft. Getting a CB who plays better in man seemed obvious, but they went for Hobbs. And honestly, it's worked out for the most part, but we went so heavy man and then the Dallas Cowboys OL stood up well(and got away with about 20 blatant holding calls)... at least 3 of which were on the big plays. The Pickens TD where he beats Valentine after the catch, the play Dak Rolls out and hits that PERFECT play to Pickens... one of the few you just have to say perfect pass and even better catch. They lost a lot of their pass rush up the middle and that was because Wyatt was out... but losing Devonte Wyatt should NOT have that type of impact. He's not Dexter Lawrence or Aaron Donald, your defense can't fall apart when he goes out. I don't think there were any other really glaring issues. I mean, our OL was bad vs a bad Dallas front, but you were down Tom, Belton and Banks, arguably our 3 best OL at this point with Jenkins struggling like he is. Go back, do some self scouting and I'm confident they'll look more like week1 and week2 versions of themselves. Getting Wyatt, Tom, Banks, Belton, Watson, Monk and Lloyd back in the coming weeks should provide a massive boost. Watson is really the guy who is a difference maker at WR. Nearly 4 yards per play better when Watson is on the field. that's an extreme number for a WR. -Get the ball to Golden more. He's trying to do too much, pressing too hard, but he's such a smooth route runner, and we all know how Watson just completely opens up the field. They were saying Watson may be able to start practicing this week. That'd be huge. He's well ahead of schedule. Get Reed back hopefully in early December and... I still like our chances.... but good week for a bye(there should be 2 with the 17 game season, but... I digress). *I'd also check in on Jedrick Willis. He was planning on sitting out at least part of this year, but he could be a Veldheer type addition(though much younger and potentially a guy we can get back on track), But the guys on this team are enough. Need to tighten things up and I think we'll be fine. Nobody is trading an elite OT or CB and we already traded away our 1st. MAYBE if a team falls out of it,...like SF, they'd consider trading Trent during his final year... but that's a pretty crazy wild chot. Still not worried about this team long term.; I am not as confident as I was, but the talent on this team is still elite... when playing together.

Looking at targets can help explain why the Packers don't often have a WR with big numbers. The Packers top WR last year was Wicks. He was about 100 shy of guys like Chase and Nabers. I would think we're closer to 15M a year for Doubs with the extension Khalil Shakir just signed. I would also think the organization would want a discount and Doubs may not be inclined to give him one. I don't see any reason to rush this now. We're 4 games in. Wicks has looked really good and may be had for cheaper. For both Doubs and Wicks it comes down to drops. I'd let him play it out. One of the few times I'd rather pay him more later than get locked in now. I also think it's all but a given Kraft will be extended and I think it'll be a top of the market type deal. 4 years 75M, roll his final year into that, probably 30M as a SB. Watson already signed an extension, albeit a modest one, so that shouldn't impact the amount we can spend too much, it'd be the potential extension after that would be. Doubs has good hands, a nice quick release. I'm not as concerned with the concussions. The Guardian cap seems to be working(I'd really love to see them become mandatory and am glad to see Williams wearing one). So if they could get him to sign a 4 year deal for 60M and keep the SB under 25M... it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world... but with the entire WRing/TE core back next year with the exception of Doubs, I'm... kinda indifferent on re-signing him. I think our OL is a bigger concern. The only guy who really jumps out is Linderbaum... he would likely require 20M+ AAV and being he'll be on the open market... 5/110 and 50M SB. You could just kinda swap Jenkins for him, but he's most of a dominant run blocker... and in a zone blocking scheme that we've been using less and less. Pass protection is just alright for him. I really wish we could see Morgan play at LT. He seems like a different player there. There's a level of comfort, he moves SO well, but he lacks the physicality to play OG the way we're playing now. The effort to get the best 5 out there may actually be hurting at this point. Morgan is not very good at RG/RT or LG for that matter. Belton has been good when he's played, but he's also been injury prone. As of now, our OL next year projects to be Morgan/Banks/?/Belton/Tom. Maybe they restructure Jenkins, but a quarter of the way through the season and I don't really know what this unit looks like together. Belton is really promising(he MAY even stick at RT which would allow Tom to move over to the left, but then again, you're kinda wasting another year of Morgan. We don't really have a problem scheming WRs open. Wicks- Release and YAC are both good. His hands have been up and down. He still reminds me of Adams... in terms of body control and the trajectory of their career. I don't think anyone would expect him to have the same peak. Watson -He's been easily the most valuable WR we've had... but injuries are a concern. They did seem like an area he's finally addressed with his trip to Madison to address the soft tissue injuries. But when he's on the field... he creates openings for everyone else. Reed-He's similar to Doubs in that he's very good at making contested catches, but he's also just used differently. Golden gets open. He's 4 weeks in, but he looks like... at least a capable WR and I think he's going to settle in and start hitting the big plays. So Doubs has been the main X WR so far, in this case, I'd prefer to let the season play out, see Watson and Reed back healthy and see what this full group of WRs looks like. If you had a WRing core of Watson, Reed, Wicks, Golden with our TEs...I just think that's a really solid group and not the best use of our diminishing resources until he proves he can put together a full season.

No, I didn't bring him up, someone else did. The only players I brought up specifically in this thread was Pribula... a kid who wanted to come to Wisconsin from Penn State and is now running the offense in Columbia, Missouri... for a 5-0 team. So I'm also questioning their ability to identify the right players as well. I've also been pretty clear, I'm not focused as much on the FIRST year here, I'm looking at next years class... and he has ONE of the top TWENTY from Wisconsin... and it looks like he's going to finish with ONE of the top 20. How long should they wait? Things are moving in the wrong direction and they're getting worse. And the "highest bidder" thing has been significantly curbed with the latest ruling. You go to a program like Wisconsin... and you can't even get most of the IN-STATE talent, while moving away from the ONE thing that made the program successful for nearly 30 years and I think you may be underestimating these coaches ability to piece those things together. Yeah, except for the fact that Wisconsin has consistently been a much better program than either school and in the B1G while they're ACC and B12. I don't buy for a second Football coaches are going to say 'well, Stanford or Wisconsin, neither were regularly in the CFP, so same level.' Wisconsin dwarfs both those programs both in resources and money spent on the program.

To the first part, sure, coaches who can coach similar to what he had in Cincinnati would be preferable... Just as important(more important IMO) is rebuilding the in-state infrastructure. I know of at least 3 D1 Recruits in the SE Conference who will be playing D1 and had little to no contact from the program. At LEAST one from an affluent family who... wanted to go to Madison, but they aren't really looking at the schools like Arrowhead, Mukwonago... Muskego, Memorial(no longer Classic 8). It's back to what I'm saying, I KNOW there are kids who are 2-3 star recruits who want to play at Wisconsin(just as there are kids who want to play for Iowa or Michigan, Nebraska, home state kids), but... they're just not as active as the Badgers have been for the last 2 decades. I was speaking to an AD for a school that's produced several Badgers who said they were at least in communication regularly... even though, obviously there's not going to be a recruit from those schools every year, but when you have Badger alum on the HS coaching staff and you're talking about the top programs in the state and they aren't around nearly as much...it doesn't help. And the thing is, Fickell started out on this big run around the state. Going to most of the top programs, having a whole day getting to know everyone, he was active at Wrestling events, just getting his face out there. Seems like that honemoon faded quickly. They also had one of the best strength and conditioning staffs in the Country and they decided to change that was one of the area's Wisconsin really excelled at was getting those kids in their program, build them up and give them a chance. You're recruiting a LOT of guys who are 6'4-6'5 215LB ATH and you don't know what they'll be yet. That's half the job. Not just recruiting talent, but finding the talent that has not yet peaked physically and developing them... their old Strength and Conditioning Coach(or one of them). Costigan from Muskego. We Wrestled him. No clue what he was doing, just a great athlete, but he weighed on at 255. He completely transformed his body in a yar in Madison. He was a middling recruit, recruited for depth and he became a staple on the offensive line. Kevin Zeitler... He was not a real agile guy coming out, he was hardly a top recruit. a 3 star recruit. I got to know his family. He was offered by some mid-majors, but they were Wisconsin all the way. Keanu Benton, another kid who was a 3 star, had only one other big school offer. You're telling me Chryst could get all those guys(in the 19th ranked class), but they can't now? We could go all day, but these are the TYPES of talent that's just leaving the state for mid majors who are offering little or no NIL and we're just not going after them very aggressively. Those are just three that came to my mind because someone said Leonhard didn't really count because he played right away... but even with Leonhard, he was a skinny little kid. He spent his entire 1st year just working to build his frame. That was a little before my time. And one more note on that, for those who said we can't get the walk on's anymore due to the cost of school, we can put those kids on scholarship now. They added 20 scholarships. 105 scholarships now vs 85 when Leonhard came in. There's no reason for them to be doing this bad other than... they're just doing a piss poor job. As for the NIL money, I know they had a lot of momentum with Fickell. I was hardly Phil Knight, but I wrote some checks that I could have spent on other things, but specifically, I know two donors, one a former roommate who's made a few low 6 figure donations and another who... well, never told me, but they're wealthy-wealthy... and I speak to both regularly and it's two people and anecdotal, but they're not real enthusiastic to, but I have no idea how the the high profile and big money donors feel about paying that buyout or about giving to the program in it's current state. Plus, now with NIL, you have to justify your value to the clearinghouse(over 600 bucks) and outside of the 20.5M the school can allocate. It's capped a bit more than it was in the past few years... which in theory should be helping UW, but it's not. It's small time in the scope of College Athletics the checks I've written relative to the actual donars is like the take a penny leave a penny...it's pocket change to a big program... but that's anecdotal. I don't know how they're doing compares to years past. I have a friend in the AD department who I don't really ask, but I do know you get to a point it becomes a Sisyphean type task in building a program the size of Wisconsin's with the lack of in-state talent... epecially when you're not even taking advantage of what talent there is. Rather than building momentum like they once had...when they decided they were going to go to more of a spread offense and abandon pretty much everything that made the Badgers a successful program year in and year out, now EVERYTHING is more difficult. They don't have a foundation in place, they don't have an identity like they had at LEAST in their down years of just dominating the offensive LOS and keeping games close with an elite run game. Fickell isn't the big time hire here to take us over the top anymore, he's the guy who came in and they gotten worse as they've "modernized" the offense...going from low 20 pass attempts/low 40 rush attempts to more pass attempts than rush attempts(despite Braelon Allen) with the new offense everyone'd clamored for. You've lost that reputation for giving those guys at Kimberly or Black River Falls or wherever, a shot to come in and WIN a spot and EARN playing time you're not bringing in blue chip prospects because you don't have a program like Cincinnati did where you were proving to guys you could be competitive at the highest level and get guys to the NFL in droves. and again there doesn't even appear to be an emphasis on keeping Wisconsin kids in Wisconsin. That was Barry's entire theme when he came in and we've carried that on for ~30 years until we just decided to tear that wall down. And you can talk ad nauseum about how hard it is to recruit kids and how "insane" it is and how wrong I am that the lower level recruits, the ones who Central Michigan right now, but in the past were staying home, how they're the ones who end up in the portal, but they're not. Jim Leonhard didn't leave because he didn't get any run as a Freshmen before earning a spot and he wouldn't be leaving now(and using Leonhard as a fill in for any of the other guys I named). Those kids WERE the kids who got on campus, got into the strength and conditioning program Wisconsin had... which was 2nd to none in the Country, they took a RS, they got some run as core STers and then they became contributors in the 2-deep. Then you'd add a few studs from Minnesota, some NJ kids, some St Louis and then dip into Florida and take the leftovers and hope you hit on a couple guys AND THEN you'd take some big swings and go after the 5 star recruits that you've built connections with. But it should NEVER take years to build connections when you're THEE D1 program in your own state. And now, as has been pointed out, your start with a new coach... and those HS kids, they haven't seen a good Badgers team since 2021? When you were a QB away from probably winning every game you lost. Wisconsin. A year when you lost 4 games, but had a LOT of NFL talent on that team. And all 4 of the games you lost, you were VERY competitive going into the 4th. Tied vs Penn State, down down 13-10 at ND, I believe you were also down just 3 vs Michigan at Half and you were tied with Minnesota. That was the Graham Mertz years. Or the 2019 team(I don't care about the 2020 team, though, even then our 3 losses were to the #10, #12 and #16 team in the Country EOY). You got beat bad by Ohio State(though in the B1G Championship game, you were up 21-7 at Half on them, lost 34-21). You put one on Michigan, and, you were up 9 at half when you were ranked 5th vs Illinois, then the first OSU loss. And your final loss of the year was a 28-27 loss vs the Jake Herbert led Oregon Ducks when he couldn't throw on your defense, led by a whole spate of those 2 and 3 star recruits at LB/DL and you held him to ...like 130 yards passing on a couple picks, but he ran 3 in. Those were the types of years that led to this big swing they took... and I don't blame them, but we took those years for granted... and those are the types of years that feel... a VERY long way away. And I wish i saw some reason for optimism, but I'm just not. We HAD an identity. From EVERYTHING I understood, we were going to be supplementing that with more emphasis on the pass game game... not abandoning our identity. But we're headed for Purdue territory and we desperately need to pull up or we're going to find ourselves in the bottom 5 of the B1G year in and year out. And finally, the thing I REALLY don't understand... there are some who have made it sound like it's just outrageous to even suggest Jim Leonhard. Someone who understands the state, how the program ws run, how to get the most out of those guys who weren't highly touted. Someone who WANTED to be here, who was pursued by several NFL teams as well as big time CFB programs and argued, VERY clearly correctly to me(particularly in hindsight) that there was FAR more they needed to keep doing the same rather than how much differently they needed to run the program. Short of that... hell, I don't know... how about the ONE guy who NEVER should have been let go or coaching ANY other position... Indiana OFFENSIVE LINE COACH-BOB BOSTAD. Make him co-head coach if you need. That's an area of this team that has been bad Fickell's entire tenure(as well as the end of Chrysts). Hell, if you could JUST get back to getting the big ugglies in there and a dominant OL... it'd at least buy you some time and be a START.

Same here... but I REALLY want to be proven wrong.

No... not really. The 1990s Miami Hurricanes and the Badgers? If the Badgers and Fickell had gotten hit with significant penalties(Bowl game AND loss of scholarships)... then sure, it'd be similar. That is quite the difference though. The Badgers have gotten better facilities, more financial support and... they've gotten worse and it looks worse when you look at 2026, 2027 classes. I don't see any correlation between those two situations... AT ALL. I mean, they were both good and then got bad. That's it.

LOL... oh dude, you are so right, but also sooo wrong at the same time! I'm not going to be able to go on X or Twitter(whatever) as Brewers fans will be the most insufferable if this team doesn't win. You're talking about the normal fan base? My buddies who call me and ask me "why the hell did we leave Hader in there," when he got into trouble vs the Nats or Braves when... he's your best pitcher and both were Lefty on Lefty. I don't disagree with your outlook for the Brewers, but... fans are going to revolt if they lose a playoff series. Until they win one... that's just how it's going to be. Nobody cares about Made and how this team is probably going to have one of the best lineup's in Baseball in ~3 years! They care about now! Ok, the last part I was speaking for the vast majority of the fan base, but even as a die hard who does appreciate and follow the farm very closely... this part doesn't make any sense to me. How are they playing with house money? This is a terrible way of looking at it and I'd really hope they're not. You only get so many opportunities as players. This is Turang, Frelick, Contreras' prime years, probably the end of Yelich's most productive years, the second last year you have Peralta... This is just one of those bites. It's been earned and hard fought for and... we don't know we'll be back here next year. I feel good about our chances to get back here, but the Reds and the Pirates are going to be MUCH better the next few years. A rotation that features Paul Skenes, Jared Jones, Chandler, Barco and then Keller as the #5? And Cruz is going to figure it out one year soon and hit about 50 HRs. So I'm fired up about the future, but... this is not house money. This was earned and they should play like this is their last chance.

... this is the same team that brought in Fedde. I'd venture a guess we tried to bring Buehler in, but he signed with Philly... 1.04 ERA with the Phillies, albeit a small sasmple size, but Buheler or Fedde? He's been just fine, but... again, this was an idea a month ago when he would still have some utility to the Brewers. He's got none at this point. We don't have to vote on this since... he signed with the Phillies. 26 days ago, it became a moot point.

This is... a bit graphic... but I think aligns with the general sentiment. https://youtu.be/F57SA6GG1bc

Also... I don't really feel like the modern NBA/NFL cares much either. We just watched OKC and Indiana in the NBA Finals(only a few years after our own NBA finals).

I'd feel a helluva lot better if I was Detroit playing with Sewell blocking Garrett vs... Morgan and Belton(who was the best of the worst pass blocking in MLF's tenure). If Cleveland plays as much Man and Cover 1 Man at that, I think they'll hit some big plays and probably get some takeaways and coast at home... but I do not think they'll be running the ball well. Anyway, snap counts thus far this year. Some things I found... a bit odd. The 3 WR sets last week. The Disjointed OL will hopefully be cleaned up after Tom sits out this week and comes back after the Bye. https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/green-bay-packers-depth-chart/71457/green-bay-packers-snap-counts-week-3-2025-depth-chart-update

Is anyone arguing this? Yeah, he's usually right. That's not something I don't want to hear. They set the Ravens up perfectly that last series. And Harbaugh probably goes for 2 if they get the stop and they score the TD. He's also usually right... Wasn't MLF "analytically" correct by kicking the FG vs the Buccs in the NFCCG? -That's really appropos of nothing, just trying to remember.

This is... very good news. I will say, if this backfires on Megill, I certainly hope the Brewers would bring him back next year either way. If it's TJ and he's out for the year or not. He's risking a lot, he could just shut it down, wait until ST'ing, come back healthy and get a very nice healthy pay bump, but he's trying to push it a little. As for Logan Henderson, I think that's a wildly underrated arm. He's got the type of stuff that would THRIVE throwing 2-3 innings to bridge the gap like Ashby has, especially vs RHed heavy lineups. He's really a two pitch pitcher with his FB and his Change, but he can keep hitters off balance. Megill and Henderson and... what the hell, might as well just hope that Woody can come back for the post-season. Maybe the NLCS if we can make it there. I have seen comments about how this is likely the end of Woodruff's career(some were rational, like the end of his BREWERS career, some were saying it was just the end of his career-career... which is silly to me)... which it's not. In fact, I think a whole off-season of being mostly healthy and not having to worry if you'll ever get your stuff back will get Woodruff back to closer to the pitcher he was... but I still hope that moderate lat strain heals quickly. Add those three and I'm feeling like there's a 25% chance the Brewers can win their first WS. With Henderson and Megill, ~20%. Without Megill and Woodruff and I think it's going to be a REAL uphill battle to matchup with these teams. A team like the Padres with that BP, or the Dodgers with their offense, the Phillies with...both. Maybe Uecker will get in the ear of the Baseball Gods and we'll see some of these guys come back and get GOOD news late in the year as opposed to BAD news.

I think you're forgetting a lot of other very bad Packers games(of you just have a different perception of shameful). When I think of a "shameful" performance, I think of a just lack of effort. The D was unquestionable. They played hard. Jacobs played hard, the OL played awful but I don't think it was a lack of effort(possibly a bigger issue, we'll find out soon enough). But maybe you've wiped some games, but remember this? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201911030sdg.htm This was the worst game I can recall. They played with no energy all game, they were a good team, the Chargers were not, they were dominated from the start. Flat, no rallying to the ball, got blown out from the jump and there was just nothing there. But... it was definitely a bad performance... but if that FG goes in, we're saying, 'we played that BAD and still won because of our Defense.' My concerns -OL The OL was terrible. 11 of Love's 26 drop backs he had no chance... but on the pick, he wasn't rushed. It was like Goff in Week1. They put pressure on him and that caused him to speed up. Even with the 9 checkdowns to the RBs. -Run Game. I wanted the Packers to keep Jones last year(just to finish out his deal) but I think it's REALLY important to have someone who can add some juice. Jacobs is a tough back. Dude's a workhorse, but he doesn't have the quickness to get outside and the only guy who does is a player who has been on IR since we drafted him. We keep hearing about Lloyd, but... better see something after the bye. -Love/QB Now, I'm not with the people who think he's Dilfer bad or those who only show up when the Packers lose or Woodruff gets hurt like ONE poster, but while I have ZERO question about Love's ability, the guy can look like Mahomes... but even with this defense, you need him to be the guy he's looked like MOST of the time after the first ~9 weeks of the '23 season. OL, Run Game, not good enough to compensate for an average QB. Defense is. WRs-COULD be by the end of the year. But we need him to be better so all those areas don't have to be perfect to win games. We're not trading for a star LT. There's no Trent Williams out there(probably... SF is getting hammered with injuries and trying to get younger, but... that isn't gonna happen). So lets see Walker/Morgan/Jenkins/Rhyan and Belton ONE of those players has a grade over 60 in pass protection... and it's the rookie 2nd year pick. Rhyan is a black hole. Morgan playing out on the right side looks just comically bad at this point. Then hopefully you get Morgan OR Walker/Banks/Jenkins/Belton/Tom in a few 4 weeks. Even then, Jenkins needs to be better. I think Love is really good about 80% of the games, even vs really good defenses. But he and the OL handed that game away. On the bright side, I think the best pass DLs in the NFL are Cleveland, NYG and I don't know anyone else who is as complete as they are defensively. On the other hand... Philly, Detroit with Hutchinson and once McNeil gets back and the Vikings have really good DLs. So even if they come out and put 45 on Dallas, I don't think this OL will be tested until Minnesota and Philly. Better get their **** together.

There was plenty of tape on kids before 2020. It's not just about seeing tape, it's about projecting how a kid will develop and actually working to develop those kids. Rucci, we keep pointing to this small handful of 4-5 star recruits that... isn't at all who we've talking about. And Rucci was a 5 star on 247 and 4 on ESPN or... the other way around, but, he's not at all the type of kids we're talking about. He's more like Oglesby.