BrewerFan

No, they did not. They gave up more runs in one game vs the Yankees than in the entire series vs the Dodgers. They gave up 4, 20, 12 and 11 ERs the first four games(vs 15 total in the 4 games vs the Dodgers). They also scored 15 runs in those 4 games. ` And nothing happened to the "torpedo" bats. Some players used them. Some didn't.

Ok, I'm looking at RUNS scored. The best offense in Baseball scored 2, 5, 3 ,5 runs in a 4 game series. That is not the "Brewers pitching completely broke down." Yeah... because the other half of the comment, NOBODY is disagreeing with. It's the claim the pitching was terrible that people or to use your words "completely broke down," that we're disagreeing with.

I'm good with it for the 162 game schedule. I actually like it. The idea that they should use it for the playoffs is... kinda silly to me. In the regular season, I don't want the guy who started two games ago to have to come in and pitch, but that's the whole point of the playoffs. You do whatever you can to win. I'm also confused how it'd "hurt viewership," to not have one. Especially in the context that people had to stop watching the game in the 14th inning . So... they got 5 extra innings of viewership. How was that hurt by not starting with the "ghost runner" on 2nd? Those types of games are epic, all-time greats. And I would have hated to be a Brewers fan, that stress would have broken me, but just watching two teams go after it for 18 innings was great.

.... no, it did not. Our pitching stood up just fine vs the Dodgers.

Are you kidding me? "die hard fans" and "that contingent left the building 10 years ago?" No....they didn't. The Manfred runner is fine in the regular season, it should NOT be deciding the WORLD SERIES. That's... ridiculous. 0-3 you can 1,2,3 inning and you can win the game.

Durbin has 6 years left, Turang and Frelick have 4. Contreras may well be gone, but you have Quero and Dinges. There's nothing to "blame," and "hopium" is an obnoxious phrase. It's like "copium." It's more like it's just the reality. Also, Wilken, Adams, Pratt, Burke, Lara, Quero they're all going to be in the mix next year... very possibly with Fischer, Boeve, You also didn't mention Chourio, Misiorowski, Patrick, Myers, Uribe, all have 5+ years left. And they're not "constantly" doing this. This is the best group of prospects they've had with their already young core.

Durbin was better than Suarez from the deadline on. Suraez hit like .189 with a sub .700 OPS... and in the playoffs, he was also worse than Durbin. He had one monster game, but Durbin put up a .777 OPS. 10M dollars was not the issue. They'd have happily spent 10M if they could have found a real upgrade at 3B. It's the prospects that they didn't ant to match. And they have SO many 3B/1B prospects coming up. Vaughn by the way, he's signed. Pretty much everyone on the team is under team control next year save for Woodruff, Quintana... and... I can't even think of anyone else. Danny Jansen, but he was never coming back on a 12M TO. Two HOF caliber pitchers who are in their primes and have a historic run with the Brewers? That'd be... MASSIVE prospect capital. You can't sign a guy like that. A-I don't think there is one in this FA class, but lets say it's Framber Valdez. He's not CC Sabathia, but he's going to get like...30M a year. So that's probably 50M added to the payroll and then you can't "protect" pitchers. We protected ours this year as much as you could. When they weren't right, they sat... and they were fine in the post-season. We have everything in front of us. We don't need to make two GIANT moves like two Sabathia's, we need our own homegrown prospects to keep developing with this current group. Re-signing Woodruff would be a great move... IMO, but depends on the cost and the risk is rather high. Also a WIDE range of opinions on his value. Some don't think he's worth a 10M. Some believe he'll get 6/170 ish-type salary. I think a QO would be the best way to go. 1 year, limited risk, you get a pick if he opts out.

No, but with each generation, the chips get more efficient. I think companies like Oklo will step in and provide power for some of these. And don't most start up's always bleed money? The mass layoffs... well, I'm skeptical they're needed to pay for AI. AMZN doesn't need mass layoffs to pay for AI, nor does MSFT or Norvo. Some companies are just struggling like Target, UPS... And Tariffs have also taken their toll. I'm not arguing AI is good for humanity. I think it's just the opposite... but it's the next industrial revolution, so as long as it's booming, I'm going to do all I can. Keep my money in NVDA, TSM, AVGO and AMD(though...I was VERY close to selling that not long ago).

I don't know, I stay away from international, but I was told VXUS... Take that for what you will... but I came here just to say HOLY ####... NVDA hits 209 premarket. Over a FIVE TRILLION dollar Market Cap... That's with the Fed meeting tomorrow and with the jobs report... 25 or even 50 basis points seems very likely(25 seems likely, 50 seems a bit unlikely)... If there is a cut....AND a deal with China for rare earth minerals and we allow them to by our last gen GPUs(so AMD MI300, the H100 for NVDA)...this thing is gonna hit a 6T market cap in mid '26. I don't expect things to go that smoothly, but damn! I I mean, I'm waiting for a 10-15% "correction" or some recession in the next year or two, but AI may really be just unstoppable. AMD 265. AVGO 375, TSM 305. I'll assume there will be a lot of people taking profits after a run like this... just adding 500-600B in a few weeks. Not a bad thing to wake up to! Also... not real since I will not be selling, but still, nice to see! My youngest Nephew still wears diapers, but he's up 360%. Though I still don't have his SS# so... maybe his Uncle is really the one that's up!

Yeah, I don't think you can. Being a REAL sports fan... like most of us on here who are probably a little weird, it takes too much energy. I always rooted for the Mariners growing up or I liked the Raiders in the NFL... and I was just a wee lad when Jordan was in his prime so Ah kent they’d hae won(sorry, binging Outlander). But a REAL fan? No shot. It takes enough actually caring about the Brewers, Packers, Bucks and... I guess Badgers. I'm not following Colt Emerson's ABs or his exit velocity or how close he is to the big leagues. And I just happened to pick a team that had a prospect that was... comparable to Jesus Made. I also get a lot of "passes" to watch Brewers games. "I can't right now, Brewers are on." If I tried doing that 6 hours a night? Or even 5 with the Mountain Time Zone... I'm pretty sure I'd be living alone. "Sorry hun, I leave at 8, get home at 5, go to bed at ~11, but I need to dedicate 1/4th of the day to Baseball! I still watch and appreciate greatness. I'm rooting for the Jays(just like I was last time they were here because of #19)... but am in awe of what Ohtani is doing. 4 times they walked the winning run in extra innings. That's... Bonds like.

I'm fine with that. They only step in when something is so obvious, you can see it immediately on replay. They had a couple others this game, but... they're virtually always the right call. they did it with the ball Rodgers threw into the ground. They used to just tell the refs and the refs would just change the call. At least this way, you know there's a system in place. I don't want a game to be changed because Jerry Rice fumbles and we just don't have access to a challenge(for example).

...why? Next week is Carolina and that sets up the matchup with Philly.

Parsons has been... everything you could have hoped for when you gave up 2 1sts+Clark+ 47M a year over 4 years as an extension. This team.... which is looking MUCH different tonight(at least since Washington) has not struggled in ANY WAY because of a lack of production by him... He's doubled or tripled more than anyone else in the league by a good margin(at least according to a graph I just saw) and his pressures are near the top. Myles Garrett would be the only player I might take this year, but when looking at a 3-4 year window, that move is MASSIVE. I don't love how much they need Wyatt to provide pressure up the middle, how Gary an be hit or miss and the OL needs to really gel, but... not that anyone has said otherwise, but Parsons is such a HUGE difference maker. Watson kinda has a similar impact... but obviously a whole different player. This was a GREAT win to build on. Head into Carolina, then get ready for a MASSIVE game vs Philly.

Ok. 1-This started with comparing the Brewers offense to the Jays offense and then saying it wasn't that good DESPITE the fact... that we scored more runs and in Gm1... they hit Snell better than Cincy, Philly and we did. 2-You keep saying "statistics" can be bent any way. Can EVERY statistic though? Or is that just called... facts at that point? -.625 winning pct vs teams in the post-season. -Hit WORSE vs NLC teams than their season averages EXCEPT for... the NLC team that had the 3rd best ERA in the NL, 7th best in MLB -60-40 vs teams .500 or better -Balanced schedules=Fewer games vs the NLC and you play every teame. What stats are being "Manipulated?" I mean, you can just keep saying....effectively 'nuh-uh, stats can be manipulated,' but exactly what stat supports YOUR argument? Just feelings? But yes, MLB teams have their own analytics departments. I don't know WHAT that has to do with this conversation. The entire purpose of those analytics departments is to put their players in positions to SCORE RUNS and WIN games. For the purposes of this discussion, I don't care HOW we got there... the fact is... we are. There's no reasonable argument that can be made that the Brewers season long numbers looked better because they played in the NLC vs any other division save for MAYBE the AL East. I also don't know why you KEEP talking about politicians and pharmaceutical companies. This isn't even tangentially related to either.

There's no world in which the Brewers should have to trade Peralta's meager 8M and then Megill, their closer who will have a salary around... what, 4.5M OR Vaughn. If they can't afford the QO after this year and what their payroll is set at and they have to trade Peralta and then Megill and or Vaughn, that'd reflect REAL poorly on ownership.

He wasn't limited to 65 pitches and 4 innings, they were easing him back. They were up 6-0 in that game. The choose to baby him because they had the rotation depth to do so.

Yeah... I really don't know... this surgery was supposed to be about as simple of a back surgery as you could get. It was just kinda shaving down one of the one of the bulging discs in his back that was causing the pain. He said this would completely heal it and he'd be good to go. So... did he really wear down? Did Turang, Frelick? Or did they just struggle facing a couple o dominant lefties and a couple REALLY good righties? I also think it's... clearly Chourio who is that guy. Going on a winning streak without him doesn't change that.

The topic was quite clearly the Brewers offense compared to the Jays offense. And you responded that we looked better because we played the weak NL Central. I'm not sure when I changed it from offense to "record," but... either way, this is easy enough to break down. 1-Again, we performed worse against the NLC teams with the exception of the Pirates. So not a real strong argument. Saying we overperformed because of the division. 2-The pitching in the division was very good. 4 of the top 12 teams and even the "worst" team was the 21st team. We also COULD look at record... though. 60-40 vs teams .500 or better. 6-0 vs LAD 4-2 vs Phillies 6-7 vs ChC 2-4 vs SDP 8-5 vs Cincy 2-1 vs Tor 1-2 vs Cleveland 2-1 vs Seattle 0-3 vs NYY 3-0 vs Boston 2-1 vs Det =35-26 vs playoff teams. So whichever way you want to go with it, arguing their offense beat up on the NLC(which was my original disagreement) or... by record, it just doesn't carry any weight. They beat the good teams, they hit WORSE vs 3 of the 4 playoff teams and the team they hit the best against... the #3 pitching staff in the NL(behind us and the Padres). So they hit worse vs the NLC teams than their season averages outside of the Pirates. They went 60-40 vs 500+ teams. Offensive numbers on the year; BA-.258 OBP-.332 SLG. 403 OPS-.736 Vs ChC-.238/.315/.392/.707 #9 ERA in the NL -Worse Vs Cin-.229/.302/.389/.691 #11 ERA in MLB -Worse Vs STL- .274/.331/.391/.722 #21 ERA -Worse Vs Pit- .296/.375/.458/.833 #7 ERA in the MLB -The ONE team they hit better against(and again, the team with the #3 ERA in the NL/#7 in MLB). (The Brewers ERA was #2 in MLB) So... again, but this time with the numbers. The ONE team they performed better than they did vs the rest of the league... was also the 7th best staff in MLB this year and a lot of that was beating up the league's best pitcher Paul Skenes this year who had an ERA of 5.69 vs the Brewers ~1.60 vs the rest of the NL. So.... I guess you can say it's because they were in the NLC. The facts don't... really bear that out, but... you can still say it!

Yeah, your answer seems to be ignoring empirical data and going off your insistence the NL Central's pitching was so bad. It wasn't. The Reds, Pirates and Cubs were in the top 12 in the league in ERA(the Brewers 2nd). The Reds had 3 pitchers with WAR's or 4.4, 4.9 and 5.8. Top 5 average a WAR of over 4. We hit WORSE against the NL Central... so again... doesn't REALLY do much to explain why we finished 3rd in runs scored. AGAIN, this was about our OFFENSE and so... it seems obvious we'd then be talking about the pitching in the division. Seems like the NL East would have been at least as bad given the #2 team in that division didn't make the playoffs while the Reds did. You've also changed "record" for "offense." But... alright. 4 of the 5 teams were in the top 12 in ERA. https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/view/pitching/season/2025/seasontype/2

.... yeah, we're talking about RUNS scored and OUR offense. Pointing out that Skenes had a sub 2 ERA and only went 10-10 only speaks to their offense, not ours. Ok... well... cool as that picture may be, the question... again, was if our offense was really that good. Acting like we just feasted on the NL Central is just simply not true. AGAIN, Cincy, STL and the Cubs all held us below our season averages(the ones that had us 3rd in the league in R) and the only one we were BETTER than was the Pirates. So... the point remains. MLB has a balanced schedule now and we were not beating up on teams in our division to score our runs.

I'd take Contreras out of that group. He came through big in a few spots and was hitting the ball hard. But... the other three were 3 of our top 5 hitters this year. Snell just wasn't as sharp last night. It's not like he just dominated the Brewers, he threw 6IP, 1H 0ER and 9K vs the Phills and he gave up 2ERs vs the Reds, and even that game, he had given up 1H through 6 vs the Reds(with 9Ks) and they finally got him for 3hits and 2 ERs. We were bad vs Snell... but he was also... about as sharp as I've seen any pitcher in the playoffs.

Teams play a balanced schedule now. The division isn't nearly as impactful as it once was and the only team we faced that we had a higher OPS against as compared to our teams season long average was the Pirates(the team with Skenes who we hit a couple times). We didn't beat up on a bad division. And being held to a .118 AVG tells me... nothing about our season long offense. It tells me in 4 games vs... 4 ace caliber pitchers, we didn't hit. I said the exact same thing going into the series. I didn't think the regular season numbers or BA/OPS(which were both solid at .274 and a 736 OPS) was going to mean ANYTHING in the post-season.

I'm not buying this whole, "the team wore down." And using the Dodgers pitchers... the Brewers were able to do the same things. They were able to bring Woodruff along slowly and patiently to build him up for the playoffs...and we just got bad luck. But Patrick, Misiorowski, we sent one down, put another on the DL and limited his innings. Peralta is really the only guy who didn't any breaks, but... we didn't ride the starters too hard and we didn't ride the bullpen any harder than the other top teams. The Dodgers didn't just rest pitchers for the hell of it, they had pitchers who have had injuries. They also have SO many young, extremely talented pitchers, it's easier for them to get by, but they were battling for the division. They weren't just sitting Snell because they felt like it. As for Brewers players, Contreras played well in the playoffs and he was the guy who should have worn down. He had ALL the excuses. But he gave you good at bats and hit the ball hard in the playoffs. Turang went up there with just defensive swings. It also felt like Turang, Yelich and Frelick faced a LOT of lefties. I don't buy that as the issue. Durbin played well, he was playing a position few thought he'd be able to handle 3B and he was grinding every day. Maybe it's a youth thing(though Chourio wasn't too bothered), but I think we're looking for excuses that aren't there save for maybe Yelich. Ohtani was their #4 starter. Snell looked human vs Toronto, but he was untouchable in the first two rounds. Yamamoto and Glasnow were great and then... again, Ohtani. The part of the team you'd expect to tire, the pitching, they were all you could have asked for vs the Dodgers. Uribe and Ashby gave up runs, but they were used a LOT vs the Cubs and I think not using Tobias Myers may have been a mistake, but we held up. The Dodgers were just better and we looked like a team that was pressing. We weren't able to get guys on atop the order, get them moving, put pressure on the Dodgers who... don't have a great IF defense and we didn't really make them work. Turang, Frelick, Yelich. We got very little out of them. And we weren't able to get to the Dodgers Pen enough. MAYBE had we pulled out Gm1 we relax at the plate a bit, but we didn't. All I would do differently next year is cut Yelich and Contreras down to about 120 starts and 110 starts respectively at DH/C and I'd still give Contreras another 20 starts at DH unless a young guy forces his way in.

Well... I guess 17 years is 7+ years, but it's kinda like saying we have team control of Chourio the next 2+ season. While technically accurate, the next 8 seasons is more exact. Again, from 1982(early that year, I think starting in May) and then did not miss a game until he took himself out late in the 1998 season when he decided shortly before the game that he would not play in the game). He had over 2600. I think it was over 2660 with playoff games... though it may have been short of that. But just go with the 2600. That's FAR more than 7 seasons.

17 seasons. 1982 to 1998.