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Unless it was inaccurate or an outlier, seeing Myers has added velocity and improved his change in AAA makes me want to hold onto him. But for this package... I'd do it. I don't want to give up any of the 3 young SS, I don't want to give up a young Catcher who is top 100 or close to it. Henderson may have his peak value right now, so I suppose in a bigger trade, if you got back a Duran...eh, maybe. I do love the idea of getting back a LHH 1B. I like Bauers just fine, but he's a good defender and has some versatility. O'Hearns is a big upgrade. I appreciate what Vaughn has done, but I just don't trust him either.

Yeah, he got dead arm because he was taking a lot of reps at SS, reps he wasn't used to making and he was making a lot more in a shorter period of time. Guys get dead arm all the time. They rest it and they're fine. This doesn't mean Turang can't slide over to SS. And his defense has been outstanding. We currently have two hitters who are hitting below average. Below a 100 OPS+. Ortiz and Contreras and he's a good game away. I'd love to add Suarez, but his performance of late has only increased his market value and now I think you're talking about one of the Brewers top 100 prospects+ a couple others. Maybe a top 100+a SPer. Is that worth a 2 months rental?

I think a better question is... can this Brewers team win in the post-season. It's tougher to put multiple hits together. The 4 runs we scored off Skenes is...exceptionally rare. So do we have enough punch to beat the top pitching? I think if you get Chourio, Yely, Contreras, Hoskins OR Vaughn stays hot and then just have Frelick, Turang, Durbin, even Ortiz who is playing well, just keep doing their thing, tough PAs, grinding out ABs, I think so. If you add one of the top 10-15 hitters in the game the last year... that REALLY fills out your lineup.

Yeah, these guys are still scouted and scouted even more before the deadline. It's not like they all have comprehensive scouting reports on each player. A couple doubles in the gap aren't going to change his value, but his bat speed and exit velocity, it could certainly help his value.

I'm not saying he can play 3rd, I'm saying he should be able to handle 1st. His issue was less with fielding and more with throwing... as far as I saw. Also, the bar right now without Bauers is not high defensively.

Well...I don't think they'd actually need to jerk around with it since Hoskins could just wait until the rosters expand. As for Bauers, I like him also. I think he's a little underrated. He was struggling, but for his role, a backup 1B who can play in the OF, a late inning defensive replacement and a guy with some pop, you can do much worse. No, I don't imagine they did... though I thought Vaughn would be awful and I didn't like that move. So perhaps Black just getting healthy will show us a little bit. This is a guy who WAS a top ~50 prospect not long ago. Great plate discipline, he had pretty good hands at 3B defensively. And he's got good speed. He's been terrible, but... there was something there. I'd like to see him play right away, but... it's kinda tough as the best lineup is Collins/Perkins/Chourio in the OF and then Vaughn and Yelly 1B/DH, but it's also better for the player to get PT right away.

I don't think that's all. If that was all, he'd have given the Brewers a chance to match. They were already at...5.5 I believe. He got 7.5. Attanasio was upset he didn't get a chance to match. I think he wanted the money obviously, but I also think he thought it'd be easier in Chicago. If you can spend another 80M a year on payroll and get a top 5-6 hitter in the game... it is easier. And that's fine for ANYONE else who hadn't been preaching how Milwaukee is home since his playing days. If it was just cash, he'd have at least let the Brewers match. I'm more than happy with Murphy, I'm a bit unsure about Weeks or if the plan is still for Weeks to take over in a couple years(though I loved Rickie as a player, the intensity and toughness). But I still don't like how CC.

.... you realize that wasn't a prediction, right? I'd also place the BA as the 3rd most important of that slash line. If he has a .240 BA and he gets On-base, I don't care. I don't actually think he's going to be up all that long and I don't think BA is as important of a number as I think you're suggesting or Frelick and Turang would have been in the ASG as guys hitting around .280 and being elite defenders.

The Nationals are looking to add an ace to team with Gore, certainly not looking to deal one. He's not been near the pitcher Quintana has been in his career and he's been bad in the post-season. Why are we thinking this guy is going to be our #2 starting pticher when he comes back from missing almost the whole season. I also do not get the logic of moving Misiorowski to the pen. I get why you didn't go back to him on regular rest coming off the ASB. Give him time... manage his innings, but he's the type of guy you start in the post-season. Moving him to BP at this point...in favorof Cortes is an odd call. I'd slot Cortes behind Peralta, Misii, Woodruff, Priester, Henderson maybe to the pen, but you still have Myers who is adding some velo. he could have an impact. Cortes eating some innings at this point would be a bous, but the #2 starter?

Yeah... clearly! They're not pressing. They didn't throw Misiorowski because they had the Dodgers. They didn't throw Woodruff because they could, and it would have been on 5 days' rest. They're playing conservatively, and they're winning. They're letting Mis get rest, Woodruff get stronger. There were a lot of people talking about how Chourio started slow last year, Yelich was struggling, Contreras(he's still struggling,) and we'd be getting pitching back. I think those people were saying that's why we could make a WC push, or if the Cubs fell off, maybe a push in the division, but this organization is just rolling and the reinforcements came, we've had good health otherwise save for a couple smaller issues. We now have the Ms. A team that just beat the Tigers 3 in a row and 2 of 3 vs Houston and we have Woodruff, Misiorowski and Priester going. I'm feeling pretty good about those 3. As to your Poll, I'm thinking this year is as good a chance as any, but I'm also dreaming about 2026 and 2027. It's gonna click. If Tyler Black comes up and hits ~.280/.380/.400, then... it's just our year! Go get antoher dominant BP arm, O'Hearn and win this thing!

Coming into this Month, I would have thought just... go .500 and that's a very good month. They've gone through the tough part of the schedule, 9 games to go and have 12 wins. (In fairness, they do have one of the hottest teams next and then the team we're tied with for the best record, so...still a tough schedule). This may be the most fun I've had watching Brewers Baseball in a WHILE.

I still think Black can be a very productive big league player. It's been a nightmare season for him though and it's a bit of an odd place to bring him up without some other plan. Turang to SS, Collins to 2B, LF, Yellich and Black until Frelick gets back. But Collins is one of the key players on this team. Cubs fans melting down, talking about how the Brewers are "satanic" and "ruining the game" for everyone else by making it "harder and uglier," is...absolutely beautiful. One of the players doing that is Collins. I actually have a degree of confidence in Bauers, so I hope he gets healthy, gets some ABs in Nashville, and is back for Nov. His glove at 1B is great in a game like today. I don't know, the Brewers can do no wrong right now. Yuniesky Betancourt has been out of the league for...at least 10 years and probably should have been out 10 years before that...and if they signed him and brought him in, he'd probably have a couple huge game changing ABs the first week!

I think that's a bit of a reach. Collins has been outstanding this year. I think it's most likely Bauers is just... hurt. Today was a good example of a game you'd want him in. He's a very good defensive 1B and I think he makes that play. But he's struggling. Maybe it's just due to injury. I just have no confidence in Vaughn, and he just KEEPS proving me wrong. Over and over. I think without Vaughn, we're 7-3 in our last 10. I don't know if that is hyperbole. He's been so clutch. The only question now is what the hell do you do with him when Hoskins gets back? Try to make it to Sept so you can keep both of them?

We were absolutely terrible. I just think back from...the late 90s when I was in school ordering those Baseball America prospect handbooks and... we were always pinning our hopes on the draft and the draft alone. Mark Rogers or JM Gold whoever it was. Neugebauer, Sheets and Gold were all prospects at once(maybe...Gold may have flamed out by then). But that was it. Very little international FAs. Even up until we paid 3M or whatever it was for Gilbert Lara. It cost us the next 2 years, our bonus pools. We could sign players, but a crude analogy would be like how you can only spend 150K on players drafted Rd 11-20. You were capped to a low number. That was...2016 maybe 2017. So even Stearns didn't really get to see the fruits of his labor. Had he stuck around...would he be doing better than Arnold, worse? I dont' know and I don't care. The only guy I harbor ill-will toward(and not genuine ill-will, just...not a fan anymore) is CC. I don't expect you to sacrifice your once chance to make money to stay in Milwaukee. I DO think being in the Brewers clubhouse at 9, having the team willing to make you the highest paid manager, not giving them a chance to match, I think he just quit on the team. Didn't think we could win. Wanted to go to a place they'd trade for Kyle Tucker. and that's what's going to make running them down when they have the best record in the league all the sweeter. One correction, when I said " I'd meant to say, you can't do that by luck. It's different people working with these kids. It's an organizational philosophy and it's remarkable. I may just be repeating something I saw in this thread, but I just saw it, but someone said GMs make trades and they've never seen the player play. They TRUST their scouts. Well...to give up the 33rd pick, Yophery and a solid young(ish) pitcher, you have to trust your guys you can get Priester right. It's an ENTIRE organization all pulling in the right direction and trusting the people they work with. Oh, and one more thing; Remember Jeff Suppan? Kyle Lohse(cost us a 1st rd pick?) Braden Looper? Mark Attanasio wanted to win badly and he paid to acquire those guys and they were not good. He's since stayed out of it. Even the Hader trade that SOO many blamed on Attanasio, he didn't know about that trade until the two teams agreed to it and just needed approval from ownership and I don't think he liked it. I think it was one of those Steinbrenner, "you better know what you're doing here," type moves. He caught the heat...now we've got a catcher who is one of the most valuable at the position in the league. Even in the midst of a down year. So he's become a better owner. And AGAIN, he said there wasn't a trade the Brewers couldn't make when the Soto trade took place. there wasn't a player available they couldn't make room for, there wasn't a PACKAGE of players they couldn't afford and he was talking about the following year as well. Even this year, I was never really worried about this team. I never thought we'd be sitting here, a game away from sweeping the Dodgers, but I thought they could contend for the division in May. I just felt like they'd get back into it. Maybe foolishly so, blind faith, but the front office has engendered that type of confidence.

No, realistically, a team is ALMOST certainly not trading a superstar position player for 3 good but not great young arms. Though...Luka happened. Betts happened. Devers. And I'm sure I'll hear why Witt or a few dozen other players don't count, but then don't make absolute statements. It's unlikely a team would offer enough to make a trade in which we give up three young, controllable arms. But we'd never do it? Never? 😕

Of course they would for the right player...and I can think of a dozen players that they'd do this for. You're talking about #3/4 starters. And that's valuable obviously. You'd still have Myers who is right in that group of pitchers, you still have Gasser, Misiorowski, Peralta, you have Quintana and Cortes the rest of this year and then you have guys like Hardin and others coming up. Bobby Witt Jr? In a heartbeat, don't care about the salary. Trade him in a few years if one of our SS's becomes a star. Ceddanne Rafaela, Junior Caminero, Yordan Alvarez...Acuna Jr. There are numerous players we'd happily give up 3 solid pitchers for. That's just a few position players, but how about Paul Skenes. I'll take 1 Paul Skenes over 3 good but not great players. James Woods didn't pop to my mind, nor did PCA, both of whom I'd take(the later is the best defender in the OF I've seen since Jones and probably better and he's hitting for power). Jackson Holliday. I'm not including more obvious players like Gunnar Henderson for instance as he's "only" got 3 more years left, but he'd really be a pretty easy call also. Oh, and Ohtani. For 2M a year? The Brewers would probably make 50M a year on that deal, get an elite #3/4 left handed power hitter, MVP, and get a top of the rotation arm! What better time to try and negotiate a new TV deal than with Ohtani, Misi, Chourio, and ALL the rest of the guys they have coming up! But it's silly because... nobody is going to offer those types of players. So what you're saying is the Brewers aren't going to empty their pitching depth for...most available players I guess? I don't know, you kinda back yourself into a bad argument when you say the is no "best possible player," the Brewers would trade for those three starting pitchers.

Yeah, at least Sixto keeps posting on here and keeps it negative, but... brewer888 is just gone.

Well... I think everything you said is more than just a thought; I think it's a given. I don't think you can develop pitchers at the lower levels, bring in veteran pitchers and have them pitch to a 1.3 lower ERA(whatever that stat was that said pitchers who come from other organizations do MUCH better in Milwaukee than anywhere else, someone posted it on here a while back)- with just a coach or two. Chris Hook isn't doing all that. And then you have guys like Hardin, Kuehner, Yoho, so many pitchers who were afterthoughts that we've built up and at the very least have value right now to help the big league club by acquiring layers or actually getting outs. You have a whole Latin American Department that's finding guys like Chourio, Made, Pena, Uribe(maybe just lucky there), Quero...and it's not like Salas, who everyone knew was a stud and the Pads spent their entire IFA budget on. So, from 14-15 year olds they're identifying to... 23 year old SEC relievers who are turning into starters to big arms that are ineffective with other teams like Megill or Mears, I'm looking at a flaw in the organization right now and the ONLY one I can see is... they don't have as much money. But it starts with the guy in charge, Attanasio. Also, I do think we're in a better position under Arnold than Stearns, but Stearns set up a lot of the infrastructure that is paying dividends now. So... maybe that just goes back to Attanasio as well as he said 'we need facilities in AZ, DR...' and ownership built them.

Fastball mid 90s, can touch 97, but more 94-95 and holds it pretty well. Pretty good change, needs his slider to come along. Command, as usual is probably the biggest factor in him being a starter of a reliever... also, being part of this organization doesn't help as he's a lefty who can throw in the upper 90s and we're stacked with young starters, so easier path to being a reliever ... at least you'd assuming if he can touch 97 as a starter, 97-98 is reasonable in short spurts. Either way, I think he'll need that slider for LHing, but definitely a guy who can play a role in the Brewers in the near future. 15 years ago, this guy would be our Zach Braddock without the famous Grandpa. Now, with respect to his ability, he about 1 of 49 guys who could help out in the next year or two for the big league club. I only watched a couple outings, that's my take. Others may have more comprehensive reports or different takes, but...that's my take.

I think it's a similar situation to last year with with Adames... They just talked about on the broadcast how there were communication issues between Durbin and Ortiz and how there were a couple balls Durbin could get to that he didn't because he knew Ortiz had an easier player. I don't think it's a coincidence that Chapman is one of the top defensive 3B as was Ortiz last year. I think that can hurt a good SS's defensive metrics. The rule that you take "every ball you can get to," is dumb. There was a play, Ortiz was shaded toward the hole, hard hit GB and Durbin pulled upon it, easy out. It's not as easy an out with Durbin having all his momentum taking him toward RF and having to turn and throw with no power in his legs. I'm far more...confident in this theory with Ortiz than Adames, but I think it applied to both. Generally followed by doing just that.... if you thought someone was actually saying that'd be the cost to acquire those two players.

So did Van Gogh, but he was still one helluva artist. I am not buying that PARTICULAR picture being painted of Ortiz at SS. He's an elite defensive SS. I think the Brewers have two guys who would be well above average Shortstops, Turang and Ortiz. The hitting is the issue, I don't agree it's the defense. Just gonna ask again to whoever may know and hopefully someone will and they'll see it, but how was Collins at 2nd Base? Because we have a stud SS at 2B. He'd won the job. He got a dead arm in STing and they went with Ortiz. I don't think it's a big deal. If you can find a LF(and Collins can play an above average defensive 2B) slide him over. If you can find a 3B, Durbin can play some 2B. If you can trade for Kentel Marte(you can't, but... hypothetically) you have again solved your problems. Doesn't need to be a need, you have 3 elite power arms in your BP on TOP of Ashby, Mears, Koenig, and everyone else, you're just shortening the game ANOTHER inning. Jhoan Duran? I'd take him in a heartbeat...or Clause or Bautista. I loved the Royals approach. Get 3 dominant relievers and put pressure on a team to get a lead before the 7th inning comes. But the cost would be prohibitive. Bird would be...alright. We're usually picking up a guy who hasn't been very good or has all these warts and hoping we can fix him immediately. And they've been bad, but we're not giving up much. Reece Olson hurt...and I hated that and I hated Kelly for Bush at the time though I did like Bush. But a pitcher like Soroka could be a great addition...IMO. Stuff plays up out of the pen and he's not QO quality, but he could have a big impact on a BP I think.

It seems to me like the Brewers exercise an abundance of caution with prospects(particularly with the important ones...this isn't like kids where we have to pretend we care about them all the same)... I didn't think Adams would make it up this year... but I thought MAYBE there was a chance. If Hoskins... presuming he comes back, if he got hurt in the playoffs, MAYBE Adams comes back up here. All after a promotion to AAA that seemed inevitable.

LaRussa's teams have a LEGIT gripe. It was the taunting, it was making the game all about themselves(and the other OFers) and it was showing up the other team SOO much when... the OFers were... untucking their shirts. Can you imagine that? There are kids watching. Possibly even Chris Carpenter's kids. How do you explain that to them? Untucking your top shirt after the game, but still on the field? I for one cannot abide such tomfoolery...

This is what I find the most frustrating. Seems like Wilken is out for the year but Adams...sore shoulder, tear his shoulder up, what's up there?

I almost spit out my coffee at this one. Where does this happen? On this forum? I don't see anyone bemoaning Adames OR hypothetically Woodruff(or Burnes, Hader, Prince, anyone really) who is or likely to leave for more money. The casual baseball fan does nothing BUT ***** and moan about Attansio being cheap...while few of them realize he owns about 37% of the team and most of his value is tied up in the team and our TV revenue is about 1/10th or less of the largest market teams. Even MLB's goal is to make it closer to 1/5th. And what is the meme you see CONSTANTLY when Attanasio, the Brewers or free agency is brought up? So I'm not sure what players are getting heat for taking the money while nobody is blaming "the guys writing the checks." Right or wrong, and I'd argue it's pretty obvious they're wrongfully taking the heat almost every single time.