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Ok, so I answered using ONE recent example of a team that's done it all year and; That's your response? Why'd you even ask for ONE example if your response was going to... that? I mean, there are SO many other examples where they've manufactured runs all years and particularly during this stretch, I just gave you one very recent one...

Off the top of my head, the game Turang just bunted for a base hit with a man on 2nd and the Brewers ended up trying it when Cruz threw the ball away trying to turn two.

They didn't start Misiorowski out of necessity, they started him because he barely missed any time. Him struggling, sure, THAT caused a problem. Trading Cortes is... REALLY nit picking and using ONE game to say, "well, would have been great to have a 6 man rotation." They could have a 6 man rotation right now if they wanted one. Cortes wasn't the make or break guy on that.

...not sure what risk you're talking about? Going to 3rd? Because I think he was going to easily beat that, but I don't know what other risk there may have been.

It's not like they're lacking for starting pitching depth. They still have Patrick in AAA who has a better ERA in ~100IP. Then Henderson IL, Myers is being used out of the pen. I don't really think this is the domino effect of the Nestor Cortes trade.

This is more my issue. Not the bunt... you don't have Uribe, Megill, Mears... gotta play for more than one...IMO. But it's REAL hard for me to question Murphy at this point. There's a long list of "I'd have done...and there's a drive to left by Mona-...."

MAYBE losing after 14 straight wins in which they've manufactured numerous runs with the bunt?

He got out of it!

I guess, but Anderson has been pretty good for his role in this pen. Hard to complain too much.

I live about 10 minutes away from my folks in Waukesha County. I called and asked how bad it was. My Dad just said, "it's gonna miss us," and... that didn't really make sense as I'd just driven by their exit and I could barely see, but I thought...'ok, it's raining harder than I've seen in years.' Stopped over the next day, they, luckily, live atop a hill, but they do have a pond in their yard that was just overflowing and just big ruts in their yard where it looked like my Dad partially drove his truck. So I asked him, 'thought you didn't any rain,' and... he just said, 'it was supposed to miss us!' Turns out... he couldn't be bothered to look out the window or...well, hear the pounding rain. The phone told him it'd go south of him or...whatever. He's normally nearly perfect, so I'll be reminding him of this for a while.

We've lapped them. It means when Cubs fans talking about the Brewers being "luck merchants" and trolling the Brewers on Twitter just...quit and say, "we're fighting for the WC now...we're out of the division race." That...is lapped.

I don't think Frelick is, but Turang is Super 2 eligible(or should be). But I could be wrong.

I really checked out last year... I think. I haven't watched any of it closely this year. I've fast forwarded through, rewound to see some REALLY nice plays by Belton and Sorrell...a few nice catches. Simmons made a great play at the goal line. But I'm not watching play in and play out. So I now Belton has a lot of penalties. I'm literally only going back and watching the plays where something looks good. Also, Monk. He was blocking Buckner yesterday and he got into him and drove him back 5 yards. It made me wonder...'why the hell are the Colts playing Buckner' at that point of the game and made me want to double check there wasn't another guy with the same last name, but not the All-Pro(I never did, the guy was clearly 6'8 and DeForrest) and then I'm seeing Q. Nelson and Taylor out there in the 2nd Quarter. And we're playing guys in the 1st half who won't make the team. You can't play this scared. Give the first team offense ONE half to play. A FULL half. Then pick apart their issues... I think we win double digit games but... it's also really hard for me to not assume a double digit loss in Week 1. And the first digit could be a 3. Good to see Lloyd with a nice catch. I saw Musgrave(or Jeff Janis 2.0 as some on the board refer to him😉) and appreciated Kuhn talking about how dangerous we could be IF he and Kraft are on the field together this year. Oh, and I also like that Fitzpatrick at TE. Big guy, good blocker. Reliable receiver. But yeah, I'm getting through these in 15 minutes and only watching a play where something stands out in 2.0 speed.

Yeah, and they will have others like Hardin, Whichrowski who could play a role, the later in particular as a lefty or not. Pratt, Wilken, Adams, several others later in the year potentially. I have a feeling that they're going to work to bring Woody back. He's so important to this team and... it's not the traditional move by any means, but I think you can rely on him to stay healthy. He came through that shoulder injury, I think he'll just get stronger. BUT... I recognize that's a long shot. The only other thing I'd say is...does Contreras get that 12M picked up? That feels like an agreement they made to avoid arby, they decline it and agree to a slightly lower deal around 9M. It's only 150K buyout IIRC. Not make or break, but a little bit helps. I would love to see Turang given an extension. 5 years 60M? He's a hard guy for me to put a number on as he'll likely end up with ~9 WAR the previous 2 years, but a ~675 OPS. I think the power is coming a little more. That may be more of a deal I want to see done than one that will as he's long been a guy I've really liked and reminded me of Trea Turner... again, not that he's Trea Turner, but... I mean, he is starting to hit some bombs, it'd be nice to lock him up and then get some TOs and be forced with AWFUL decision of potentially trading a 5 WAR player so we can bring up a top 10 prospect after we've given him ample time right after bringing up the #1 prospect(Pena, Made in that order...and I don't even know where Pratt and his golden colored glove fits into the equation). I know this is about '26, so...I won't get too far off topic, but '27-'28 don't look too shabby either! We've just got...one guy after another coming. And this should be Jackson Chourio prime years.

He came back out and threw the ball really well after that...I thought. 95-96, hit his spots. I wish we had SOME idea of these injuries. Mis, we knew that was a 'lets just give him more time off,' but Henderson and the elbow and now an Oblique. This time of the year, it could be the end of their seasons(or they could be back in 15 days and just limiting their workload).

The Cubs have the 2nd best record in the NL since the Brewers...historic run their own. Since they bottomed out at 23-26 or whatever it was. That was still true a couple days ago anyway. Since that May when the Brewers were at their lowest. The Cubs have kinda fallen off, but for a while when the Brewers just blew past them, they really weren't to blame for falling apart. They just simply weren't GREAT. I am not a huge Twitter fan, but I am absolutely loving how the Cubs fan went from, "It's a fluke," to, "luck merchants," to, "what is going on!" to "they can't keep getting away with this! This has to be rigged," to "ah, screw it, we're not even playing for the division anymore anyway." I have told there has been rain in Milwaukee. I don't believe that's true. I believe the streets have flooded with the Tears of Cubs fans...and it's a beautiful thing(not the people who have had their basements flood, the...Cubs tears).

I really think this is really revisionist. We used to call it Craigtober. The Brewers on several occasions finished the season VERY strong and played VERY well down the stretch or to get into the playoffs. I also don't really buy the critiques of CC that he was "too tight" or playing not to lose. I think Murphy is keeping it light. I think that's easier to do when things are going well and I REALLY hate even the impression that I'm standing up for CC, but... we did lost any different with CC than we did last year with Murph. Got the lead and then lost late with a great player up. Alonso takes our AS closer deep. Freeman takes Hader deep. Soto gets a hit off Hader, Grisham lets it go under the glove(would have been a tie either way). The last two vs Hader and lefties who REALLY struggled against him. There was the AZ series in which we were absolutely scorching the ball with RISP and just hitting it right at people and they were blooping us to death. The....what other series did we lose? The Dodgers the 2nd time? Just felt like the better team. The first loss vs the Dodgers, they hit Jeffress Splitter when he had a ~1.28 ERA or whatever that year for a big HR late in the game. That was the year there were rumors the Dodgers were cheating along with Boston, the Mets(there were some rumors about the Brewers as well) but the Astros won and were...so brazen about it. Point is, short or one game series, who knows... but I DO know looking at Mears and Uribe at nearly 60 innings already, Anderson should go 2-3 innings today and hopefully Quintana(I think...I haven't even looked) can go 6 and maybe Miller closes it out in a perfect world. In short though, I wouldn't mind watching them... after the Cubs series or today, watching them sit guys and give guys some rest. I'll hate it if it's a 3-2 game and Uribe, Megill, Mears are all down. But... that's my only concern at this point. Especially until I figure out if the Henderson and DL Hall injuries are "innings management," or actual injury concerns.

I would say... you've GOT to find a way to not pitch Uribe...and I might even put him on the DL with a... "calf contusion" or something. We're overworking him and Mears WAY too much. But short of that, who else? I'm also curious how bad DL's injury is. I didn't even hear of that. Short of that though... I don't know what the alternative is. Not play to win the game in front of you? We HAVE had plenty of games where our top relievers weren't available. We're starting Berroa a guy who seemingly has no interest in swinging and the oddest approach at the plate I've seen in a while...basically the little league version of 'maybe showing bunt will distract the pitcher,' on EVERY pitch before 2 strikes. We've got Chourio, Hoskins, Hall, Henderson all out, Collins and Perkins are out temporarily... guys are playing well and the other teams are committing fluke errors. I do not believe we've had a better shot in Oct if we'd have gone 9-5 in the last 14 though. I think getting that first rd bye, setting up your rotation, it puts you in a position where... you've got a shot. That's all I want. We're seeing right now how the game is so prone to fluke outcomes, but you can't pocket those for later. This has been the most fun I've had watching the Brewers since... maybe '92 and I was about 7 and watched about 1 out of every 5-6 games on TV. This is great. If they win or lose in Oct, it's not going to change the enjoyment I'm getting out of this team RIGHT NOW.

Wait...I'm not following... I don't think. Say Imanaga, he has a 20M team option, 15M PO and then those options run out and he'd still have one year of service time. Are you saying in that first contract, they explicitly decline the right to exercise their right to take him to arbitration? That'd make the most sense, but then... wouldn't that basically be the same as saying Or you just making that distinction that the highly sought players have that clause written in, it's not automatic? I know I'm late in this whole thread, but given Pratt is possibly ready late next year, more likely a couple months into '27, it's sure nice that Ortiz APPEARS to be getting back on more solid footing than when this thread was made to bridge that gap himself. That was such a black hole at the time. Especially if you bought the poor defensive metrics(which I didn't, but the bat was still so poor, it was ugly).

I don't agree with this at all. I mean, they won't ALL be affordable, but saying none of them will be? The Brewers, especially coming off this season, what will hopefully be a good playoff run and running smaller than normal payrolls recently, there's no reason to think they can't add be back in the 140-150 range. Certainly there is no reason to bring Hoskins back at this point. Jansen, I'd definitely be open to bringing him back... but we'll see where we land with others. Quintana won't be needed, he'd be affordable otherwise. If we didn't have Gasser, Myers, Henderson, Misiorowski and others ready for bigger roles in the rotation(Ashby is still viewed as a starter per Murphy and Hall may be as well). Payamps will likely be non-tendered and let walk and by mid-year there could be quite a few players who have either made or will be making their debuts. guys like Whichrowski, Hardin, maybe Hunt... and several others who have the stuff, but haven't quite harnessed it, though we've seen how guys take jumps. I really wouldn't write Woodruff off. We have a roster full of young, cheap and affordable players. As Curt Hogg said, after pointing out why the mutual option won't be picked up; That last part about Matt Arnold can talk about that....that's not related to any ongoing contract talks, that was from 2024. But I think Woody is special and a big unique. I think he wants to be here, I think the team wants him to be here and listening to him talk... I do believe there's a very real chance they could work something out. What that may be, I don't know. Maybe 3/80 is more likely, 10M already due to him. So he takes 15M in 2026, 25 in '27 and '28 and they defer some money or the 4th year is a mutual option at 15M with a 7.5 buyout and 7.5M is deferred. We're a small market team, but we do get a pretty substantial chunk from revenue sharing. is it 225-240 at this point, I don't know. I know Forbes put us ~25M in the Black. I ALSO remember it was Attanasio who stepped in and in the past signed FAs to larger deals and that left Stearns with a tighter budget, but I feel like the value in keeping him goes beyond the obvious that he can bring to the team as a pitcher(all of this again, presuming that FB comes back a couple more ticks as... that's where I think he's worth 30M+ on the open market...should he choose to pursue that). But he and Yelich are the leaders, the veterans and perhaps given how the Brewers are so much more than the sum of their parts, that's something that should be taken into consideration. Again, quite a bit has to go right from now until then, but we have a LOT of very good, young players on their way up who should fill what few area's of weakness this team has. The city is beyond the Brewers. I don't know what the balance sheet actually looks like, if they still have a lot of debt from the facilities they've built in AZ or the massive campus in the DR, but we've got some very wealthy owners and it's not unreasonable to expect them to push a few more chips into the middle from time to time. This is also different than Adames, Hader, Burnes, Williams. I think Woodruff is more important. This is all moot if Woodruff is going for every last penny, but we'll have to see. Otherwise, I think you'll see some re-signing some players. I think Montgomery would be an obvious choice. It SEEMED like a potential byproduct of bringing him in now was to see how he was healing, bring him back on a cheap 1 year deal to rebuild value. They liked him a couple years ago. He should be healthy next year. He'd be an interesting piece. But hey, we just came back from 8-1 and won our 13th STRAIGHT game...so lets enjoy THIS season!

LOL... oh... that'd be fun. MAYBE a Historically dominant rotation. But that wouldn't get it done for Skenes. If I'm Pitt, I want Made AND Pena, maybe I decide I want Pratt, but realistically, I'd say, Made, Pena, Quero, Henderson, Fischer, Knoth, Letson and then one of Patrick, Myers. They may want Priester, but that'd be weird. That'd be what I would demand if I was running the Pirates. And then I may extend it a touch perhaps. I don't know what they'd have, but a reliever or someone who could help them more now. That'd give the Pirates the #1 Farm system by ALOT. #2 wouldn't be close. They'd have a window opening is ~3 years with all their young pitching already and our Soto-esque haul would only add to it.

Man, this is... REALLY hard. 1-Turang -I've been on the Turang-Train for a LONG time. I've said he reminded me of Trea Turner for a long time... but added the caveat he'd be a better defender and he wouldn't be as good of a hitter. But similar games. Well...maybe I underestimated him. Still, for the team impact and the stability he provides, I'll go with a player I've been wrong about. I wanted the Brewers to TRY and trade Yelich not last season, after the prior. But he got a back surgery, they said it was a pretty simple surgery...and he's been in there everyday, a really good and productive player. And while his WAR is lower because he's a DH, when Murph talks about how he impacts those around him, I'll trust him. So I'll go with cornerstone player as the #1. 2-Turang here, but Collins is the most pleasant surprise. He has to be top 2 in ROY(and I feel better rooting FOR a Brewers player to win it vs against Misiorowski to). 3-Chourio Again, hate knocking Collins down, but Chourio brings more... Gravitas to the lineup, he influences the lineup more and what I think he can do better than anyone else is hit the best pitching. 4-Frelick Energy, contact, great defense. He plays almost too hard...I'd like him to stop running into the wall in foul territory, but you don't want to take that away from a guy. 5-Collins I guess. I can't make a top 5 without him. I want to put Priester here as he changed our lineup(and I HATED that trade) or Woody as he, again, has been a leader, though not someone who's taken the ball every 5th day. When he leaves, I'll be happier for him to sign a massive deal than any other Brewers player ever(while irrationally holding out hope...he will remain a Brewer). I do not have a pitcher in the top 5. Playoffs, that'll change, but this is regular season. I think if you take out... Peralta, we're still leading the division. Priester.... he may have jumped Peralta just because him coming in was SUCH a stabilizing presence. Woody, Megill, Uribe(he's been big. He's matured this year. I knew he could be a great reliever...I think everyone did, but he just had to...calm down). When you're 10 starters deep and you can't find a spot for Civale, Cortes, Myers, Patrick(who was leading or among leaders for ROY voting)... or Logan Henderson. He started in AAA after 4 starts he was 3-0 with a 1.71 ERA in. I just feel like we'd be worse without one, but they haven't been our MVPs this year. To make a run in the post-season, we'll need a couple of these guys to be.

Yeah, you're right. I said I thought it was possible Chourio was better in CF, but then misspoke here. It's tougher to get a read in the CORNER than in CF. You see the ball better where corner OF takes more reps. I know Yount said it, but before he played CF, he played LF and thought that was harder. I personally thought that... but I played like one year in HS in the OF before playing catcher. Plus... it's HS Baseball... in Wisconsin, so Yount may have a touch more credibility in this area!

IDK, Chourio started the year in CF and Frelick in the corner OF spots. It was loong before his knee issue. And yes, Perkins will get time there, but I'm thinking about the main lineup down the stretch and post-season. *It is possible Chourio is better in CF than the corner OF spots. It's harder to get a read in CF than the corner. The ball slices more and while it's always hard when a LD is hit right at you and that can get any OFer... it's either that, or they just have Chourio penciled in as their primary CFer for a decade. Lets just hope we have everyone to choose from, including Hoskins. I think he's still got a role to play. Bat off the bench? Whatever it may be, he's been in big spots and he's still a nice power bat.

I'm not entirely sure why they choose to go with Frelick in RF rather than CF? At the time I just thought it was because they knew Chourio was the future and we weren't quite so sure about Sal. We thought so... Now I'm thinking I'd rather see Chouio RF, Ferlick in CF. At least immediately upon returning. Then... swap 'em back. A little less intense running(unless you're a psycho from Boston and you're just gonna run into the wall eveytime there's a ball within 20 rows of the field anyway).