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No. That's silly. Ebel isn't "immaterial" because we've got a loaded system ahead of him. I don't see how you could say the same about Quintana? You can't have too much talent in your farm system(at the most important positions). Having Pratt and Made doesn't make Quintana immaterial. Lockridge looks fine. It made no sense to trade away a kid who turned 18 two months ago because you have good players ahead of him. You certainly didn't trade him for much value. You traded him for a guy who's likely not going to stay on the roster when Chourio is back. All for the privilege of moving Cortes? I don't know what he'll become, but I know we gave up a guy one year ago we were VERY high on and who will still be 18 next year during the draft. So maybe a BIG older for an average HS draft pick.

.... the OP is literally advocating moving him to AAA to see how he handles THAT, not to the show right now.

Yeah, he doesn't look quite the same as of late(which was to be expected). This team looks flat and you look and they're still 4.5 games up on... MLB. So we just need Chourio to come back and get back in a groove. I like Bauers also. He's an outstanding defender and usually puts together good at bats... I guess. I mean, for being a backup, he's fine. He'll walk and hit for some power. He's not a star, but just to give Vaughn a break here and there, he's alright.

I would think they'd try going to a 6 man and just limit him to 4-5IP the rest of the way. When he's throwing strikes, he's still unhittable. He was humming along vs the Cubs and walked 3 guys. Then had to give in. Same thing the previous start. HBP, 3 walks. Guys aren't really hitting him, he just needs to settle back in. I'm not that worried about him. He'll get right again and... then probably be on a short leash in the playoffs. Wouldn't mind seeing Myers back in there, but... that pitching depth is dwindling. I wonder if Wichrowski or Hardin could come up and get some innings out of the pen or if we just bring Patrick up and start looking for chunks instead of slotting guys in. DL Hall and Henderson being hurt-hurts the Brewers. Two veterans who seemed like very important pitchers come October and I'm not sure where either stands. Henderson seemed like HE was destined for that Burnes, Woodruff type role. I don't think you're going to see "the Hader role" again but the closest would be Uribe if we had a SU man, which is why I was hoping if we made a big trade and gave up a lot, Pratt, Quero, Henderson, one of them and then 2-3 more good prospects, it'd be for...Duran, Felix Bautista, etc...and then Castro or O'Hearn. But...we didn't. So hopefully we get those guys back and then you get what you get out of Mis. When he starts losing it, you go to the pen.

t I would also, but... I don't know what yo do with Turang. If you go by WAR, I mean, 7 years and 100M is probably a reasonable ask on his behalf and then 25M TOs with a 10M buyout. You're loving at 9 WAR over the last 2 years and he's just starting to hit for power. Meanwhile, you have 3 guys who can play SS ranked in the top 100, a guy they still have listed at 3B but is 1B in Adams in the lower half and then two more 3B prospects in Fischer/Wilken and another 1B crushing in in AA in Burke. So Turang has been my guy, my favorite for a long time, but as valuable as I think he is, he's going to start arbitration this year, so that will increase his contract and we're getting pretty far in. 6 years 60M with 2 TOs at 18M would be... where I'd go. I don't think it's where he'd go. Frelick is a big of a difficult read as well. He's important to the team... I just don't know what a fair contract is for the Brewers. I do hope they keep their powder dry for Made and Pena as both look like just...studs. And they have so many other guys who... I just think the more guys you sign early, even if you get a guy like Keston Hiura who turned down something like 7/42 IIRC. But if you do this with Mis, Made, Quero, Pena, maybe Pratt, Fischer, Burke(you'll know better by the time they're in AAA or starting their MLB careers) you make up for it when a couple guys really hit.

Sure. I mean, I found someone on here last year who said they'd rather be able to sign an extra reliever or a Hunter Renfroe type player every year than invest 10M into the Latin American Scouting and Development program. It was either a former player who spent the 1988 season with the Milwaukee Brewers and put up a negative WAR...but did have two AS games on his resume as well as an NCLS MVP... or it was someone who just arbitrarily picked that players to use as a handle. But yes, people will argue whatever nonsense you'd like(and this was AS Chourio was playing...mediocre earlier last year and I've not seen him on the board since). So you could argue any point... but you would have a VERY weak argument. And to be clear, Woodruff's 4 1/3 in which he gave up 3 ERs among which includes the 1st runner he LOB that was allowed to score by the Pen this year. But no, my opinion on him hasn't changed after ONE unremarkable start or since I very recently advocated TRYING to re-sign him should he be open to a 3 year deal in the 25M range... Misiorowkski? Well hell, all you need to do is go and look at my post on wanting to sign HIM, I said these types of blow up outings were inevitable for a kid with his stuff, but command or just even control issues at times. The only real question for me is how the Brewers order their #3 and #4. Do they go with Mis+Ashby(hopefully Hall is an option by this point) and try and get each through ~3 innings, maybe 4 if Misi is really rolling, or do they just go with Priester with the understanding that the whole Pen is available at that point and you could get 4 outs from Uribe or 4 from Megill. Henderson's status is also very consequential as I think HE plays up better in the pen also having two exceptional pitches, but lacking a 3rd. But in any event, there's really no argument who THIS team's ace is. I'd love is Woodruff came back JUST a bit more and MADE it a strong argument or Mis just went off down the stretch. Preister has done about as much as he can...short of raking up some more 10-12K games, but he's a guy who is going to give up GBs and that's fine. So the only real arguments I could see would be is Priester the #2, Woody the #3, and what exactly is your plan for Misisorowski? Just let him loose in the post-season and if he goes 3 or 7, as long as he's effective? And then I suppose there's Quintana. I could see the Brewers starting a game with him and THEN going with Misiorowski after he serves as almost an opener, but maybe goes through the lineup once before you bring in the righties and then go back to lefties to cover those 7 innings. That's a long way off though. Freddy is cemented not only in the top 3, but pretty much as the #1 at this point. Question marks are pretty much all just health. -Hall the Obligque, is it a grade 2? Or Grade 1? These always seem to be worse and longer than initial prognosis. -Henderson -sore elbow or headed toward the same outcome as Robert Gasser -Gasser... unlikely, but can he pitch his way into Hall's spot?

Yeah, so... pretty much the same thing at that point. I'd like to see Turang in there at SS. That's your best lineup. Durbin/Collins can stay in the lineup. You're losing a lot of defense in LF, but... it's not like you have Eloy Jiminez out there, so... it's not a huge downgrade. This lineup is going to get a BIG boost from Chourio and I think it's possible we get one from Hoskins. He's a dude who's played big games and... he was really raking earlier this year. Then got cold a bit and then injured, but I still think he's a good hitter.

It's not over... But even if they do, I'll roll the dice with Mis vs Rea and Priester vs... a guy we seem to hit well. There seems to be a "oh no, he it starts," feeling in this game thread. It's 2 games. We're still up 7 IF we lost and we haven't lost yet. Not worried. Just a couple good ABs here and put some pressure on them.

If he's playing through it, it's a bone bruise(I... would think) and that's better than a pulled muscle. One is just pain tolerance and the other is just...patience and healing.

Well... the Cubs are playing like the Brewers here. Things are falling for them...and they're executing.

And start 'em off with a strike WAY up in the zone.

...could you though?

Ok... but how do we make that distinction? Ohtani came over as a pro as did Sasaki, but they didn't meet their own standards in Japan to do so without being posted by their teams. Similar to...many Cubans who've come over. So it has to be more about your status in the league you were in before you came over more than prospect vs pro. He didn't meet the requirements in Japan, so MLB honors that? Talk about a stupid move BTW. He could have waited a year, gotten... maybe not Yamamoto type money if he had shoulder issues, but more if he didn't and even if he had shoulder injuries, he'd have signed a BIG contract. Likely a 9 figure contract.

Wait a second, the MOST data driven guy here and your arguments are that this is an "easy answer," because; -Frelick is really good in RF -Neither Frelick, nor Chourio have much time in CF... but in the sample size we do have, Frelick IS the better defender according to the metrics, but the best long term alignment long term is Jackson in CF...so might as well give him time there? I'm not entirely sure why we're concluding the best long term alignment is with Chourio out there when we certainly can't do so now, but...alright.

I don't know if I did this. But I'm just... kinda at the expecting 86 wins in a year things go poorly and 94-95 in a year things go well. I'd have probably said 93-94(maybe I did, don't recall if I even guessed). But hell, when they had that one month, 6 vs the Dodgers, they had the Mets, the Cubs, the Marlins who were hot, the Mariners, the Royals... I didn't even give one. I usually overshoot it, but I thought 14-12 was optimistic(I don't recall the exact number of games, but I thought with the ASB it was 26. And...they BLEW right past that! I wasn't even worried about the division in May. I thought we'd figure it out...and NEVER did I expect THIS to happen. I thought we'd be in a race and run 'em down like '18. Hey, lets play two today...and start a new WINNING streak!

And Chourio is 86. So... 85.6 vs 86. Marginally better. Even if Frelick was 90, you're not putting him in RF if he's a better CFer(which I think he is). As I said earlier, I think Chourio may be worse in the corner OF spots. As for Yelich... yeah, he's... obviously the worst, but he wasn't part of the discussion. A better example would be Perkins. He's got a stronger arm than either. You're not putting him in RF because of his arm strength. There really isn't a big enough difference in ANY of our OFers to designate them as LF/RF/CF based on their arm. There's no Khris Davis or Jay Buhner out there(Yelich is lower this year, but he's made very few throws, even he's been...comparable to Collins in the past and his max velocity has decreased substantially as the season has gone on, likely due to that lingering back issue he's finally addressed).

Yeah, I found it. They're going to "listen to offers," and it all seems odd to me. He's been asking for days off and some in the organization are upset. Well...the organization JUST extended him. Unless the Yanks want to part with some top prospects(which would make sense) or...the Dodgers... which would make less sense with them being in the division. A cost-controlled superstar, they'll get a few top 100 prospects back and I'd imagine a top ~20 or so. Seattle could actually be a great landing spot as well. Teams that either have the equity to afford it, OR that have the money to... not have to worry about prospects. 2B/3B has been an issue. Marte is an elite glove and one of the top hitters in the game in the midst of a HOF career. I'm still almost tempted with that player/contract to inquire about him if nothing else. Not Made or Pena, but Pratt+ 3-4 guys, but... I wouldn't want the guys we'd have to give up most likely.

That's the thing we've got going for us... this window, despite what many may argue(not on here) this isn't a 1 year window, this is just the cracks. He missed all year last year, then missed a lot of time this year... and he's STILL young for a catcher. He IS a top propsect, but even with what's two very unproductive years of development, he's still young for a catcher. I don't see a reason to bring him up. If you bring him up next year, you're going to do what? Sit him behind Contreras or lighten the load on Contreras and have him DH more? That pushes Yelly back o the OF. I'm starting the year with Haase. If Quero is that type of dude that ATL has in Baldwin, then you trade Contreras the following year and you move on. And hopefully Dinges becomes a great backup catcher(I think he could be the guy who actually passes Quero up with pop times as low as 1.79 and the bat he's shown, but... probably not realistic).

Chourio may still be the most important player on this team. He and Yelich. He can change the game with a swing of the bat, a bunt base hit, stealing 2nd...most everything but a walk!

Well.... you don't really need to rely on the broadcast guys when they track these things. Velocity when making a throw from the OF and...they're actually pretty even here(actually, I believe Chourio is marginally better). But you're not ever putting a player in RF rather than CF because they have may have a marginally stronger throwing arm, and again, Chourio actually has the marginally stronger arm, though... it's close enough to be irrelevant here. Frelick AND Chourio both have good arms. You'd never say PCA has a great arm and as such, you put the guy with the better arm in RF. You'd lose too much value from the guy playing the MOST important position in the OF...covering the MOST ground.

Well, someone's going to get a stud. That's the type of player I'd move one of those two studs for. I don't think I'd have interest in that particular deal... unless we're going to move Turang to SS(likely a less popular idea today though... I don't think mishandling as soft liner is all that relevant). But it sounds like they're going to really re-build or what?

EXACTLY. Even in hindsight, it's hard for me to really argue Myers is better to have out there to get through that inning just based on their performances this year. I think a better argument would be.... you need to cover 18 innings tomorrow, you've got Misiorowski throwing a game, no DL Hall. Even with Patrick and now likely Yoho(who I don't trust) just leaving Myers in case it went even longer and save Anderson would have been a better argument than "Myers is better." I mean, Anderson had thrown to a sub 3.00 ERA, 9.5 Ks per 9 and... been pretty solid... for what's basically the last guy in the pen. It was not a good day for him. I thought the 4 pitch walk was more of an unintentional-intentional walk, but...I may be wrong. To the last point though, this division could be really tough in the future. The Pirates have a lot of really good pitching. Maybe the best young(24 and under) pitching in the game. Bubba Chandler, Jared Jones, Skenes. This HS kid they just drafted could move quick. The Reds have a young group that could be nasty with Burns, Lowder, Petty. I don't actually know much about the Cards and the Cubs..., I think they'll make another trade for someone. Especially if they pony up for Tucker in the off-season.

Turang's was definitely a sac bunt. He just got it down the line and beat it out. Today, it was just a bad bunt. And I did agree that without the pen, I'd probably not have bunted it there, but I think there's quite a bit that people are...not recalling. Durbin has put down quite a few Bunts, Chourio, Yelich both have done likewise. Vaughn just had a sac bunt with men on 1st and 3rd that was clearly all his decision. I would say the bunt has been about as big and important for the Brewers as just about any team in Baseball. Obviously, the hotter you are and when you're 2nd in OPS over the last 30 days and you just had a road trip in which you're the first team in MLB History to score 80 runs and allow 30 or less(whatever it was) you're probably bunting less... but I feel like I'm watching another team. I'm also not sure why people are so down on Anderson as compared to Myers. He's been just objectively better in everything you need there this year. Much better GB%, much better K rate, tougher on lefties and we're talking about how bad Murph's BP management is. How we shouldn't have traded Cortes and this is all a byproduct of that and forcing Misirowski into a start.... There is definitely some teeth gnashing going on. I agree with @Brian... we're getting a little spoiled.

....sure.

Right. I didn't argue that point. I did argue that their current predicament was the result of trading a guy who'd started two games for us and both were in March/1st week of April. LOL...I forgot what game threads are like... even in a season like THIS.