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I'm not understanding this line of thinking. I get it for THIS year with his innings. I don't agree, but I understand. But why would you want to take a guy THAT talented and make him a 1 inning pitcher? He has 4 pitches that are all just untouchable when he locates them. It's not rare for young pitchers to have trouble locating. Randy Johnson was walking 5.7 from his first year until he turned 28. That's 6 years. Roy Halladay at the same age was walking 5.6 per 9. Nolan Ryan his first 13 seasons walked 5.6 per 9! Guys with that type of stuff have trouble controlling it early. Some guys walk a lot and they still dominate. I cannot imagine a good reason to take a guy who... probably should still be in the minors working on his command, but was just too dominant to leave down there, why we'd slash his value so he can be the SU man or the 7th inning guy? You wouldn't have him slide in for Uribe or Megill next year. So you'd be planning on him eventually being the closer. You can have that or you could have a guy who should be ready to throw closer to 160 innings next year with another off-season. Can you explain the thought process behind this?

I'm sorry, I should have put that in blue. That's just on every financial channel you see on YT or X. It's always these wildly unrealistic returns from day trading. Maybe you could have made money, but it's an exceptionally small amount of people who do. I'm of the belief that there is a time and a place for trading, but I'm at a point where I just want my money invested. Vanguard just put margin on my account. I didn't ask for it, don't want it. Don't want to have to pay 12% to borrow money. I won't risk more than 10% of the money I have in my brokerage(so not touching my Roth, not touching my joint retirement account, just the money I actively manage and that's what I'll use for anything speculative). As for the BTC, I don't have a clue what happened. It's become family lore now. I know he sold his first company for 8M when he was like 25 and then he started another, by 27 it was growing and then bone cancer. I'm GUESSING he sold it when he was going all over trying to find a cure. He did leave a 7 figure trust for his daughter, enough for his wife(who had gotten her nursing license) a good chunk and again, paid off house and vehicles. I've set up trusts and spoken with a lawyer in the event of an untimely demise. The only thing that I don't... openly share is money that I inherited and then bought some property with and then subsequently sold and now manage on my own but even on that, I've named an my beneficiaries. They just don't know about it.

Well.... 1.0 was available until pretty recently. But I was driving the 'we need a CB' bandwagon... but if you can get home with 4 or even 5, Coop is an elite pass rusher at LB, even compared to a poor man' Parsons in that respect. Give it to the bye week. There will be CBs available. Maybe Asante Samuel Jr is available, maybe you sign Gilmore. Maybe the Dolphins start out poorly and you trade for Douglas or maybe Bo Melton and his incredible athletic ability can be the Sam Shields of this season. I would honestly put a DT ahead of CB at this point. A Mike Pennel, run stopping DT. If you're in 2nd and 4 regularly and you can't stop Saquon or whoever, the CBs will also matter much less(though our CBs are good against the run at least).

Not with the Packers, you're right there, but I did take that view with the Bucks. A lot of that is probably the disparity in the sports and expectations, but my expectations are different for all sports. I have been disappointed and had feelings that the Packers kinda squandered one. The Bucks I'm just happy they got there and won one. The Brewers, I look at the group they have coming up and I think they should have a pretty big window. And more than that, Baseball is just flukey. But I still feel good about their chances. I get what you're saying, but I think a lot of it is about the expectation of the team. The Packers had the best team in Football when they lost and they were supposed to be a dynasty. But fans always get greedy. The Eagles fans will be calling for Hurts to be benched and Sirianni to be fired if they start 2-3.

I started day trading with 500 dollars and now I get 17,000 dollars every two weeks following Kelly Anne Fischer. You should look her up on Whatsapp! My BIL watched one of those YouTube videos about day trading and wanted to borrow 30K to get started(that's apparently the magic number, you need 30K to be able to turn a profit... I asked why you couldn't start with 3K and just invest 1/10th as much and... I got nothing). I think you can have a self managed portfolio, but you just have to... really be patient and realize there are going to be times when you're going to lose a LOT of money if you sell whenever something happens. I think NVDA has gone down 40% or more 6 or 7 times since I invested in it and a lot of people who don't have the patience or stomach have sold. I have maxed out my Roth since my early 20s with index funds and then I put everything else into a relatively small number of stocks... though never without checking with a friend who manages very large fund. NVDA, AMZN, AVGO, TSM, GOOGL, then QBTS and OKLO have been my... own 'what the hell,' investments that hit(along with... 7 or 8 that have no that I don't even want to mention). Also... I bought some AMD against all advice. I just think that DC market is going to be so big and AMD was not at it's yearly low of 76 or whatever, but it as beaten down after we were "liberated" in April. The one thing I didn't do was ever invest in Crypto. My Cousin did. My Cousin started his a business when he was still in HS, made a lot of money, sold it. And he was bit into BTC. His wife or widow as he died from Cancer said he put 10-15K into it. I'm skeptical of the claim, but I know he was a big fan of it. Problem is, it didn't just sit in your fidelity account and she can't find where he left his wallet or the the password.

That, and obviously keeping Giannis happy. But... am I crazy, or was there not at least an opportunity for the Bucks to develop him into a solid defensive player. Not Dennis Rodman obviously, but he's extremely athletic, he's thick, physical. Did they just never push him because he was Giannis' brother or is it because they just knew he couldn't play the game without about 3 15 yard unnecessary roughness penalties per game? Still makes more sense than Udonis Haslem. Miami actually develops the last few guys on their roster and you still had a guy who played like 350 minutes TOTAL his last 7 years with a team for morale. He couldn't' do that without dressing?

I don't think they'll do it this week, but I would LOVE to see Cooper and Parsons both off-ball on 1st down OR in running downs. Parsons as a DE is average vs the run. Parsons as a LB is VERY good vs the run. They either feel better about their DL's ability to play the run or they're going to wait until after week 1 to sign Pennel. You have a perfect fit given this teams DTs to slide in as the starting 1 Tech, someone who has shown he can anchor a defense and stuff the run AND who has said...he wants to come back to Green Bay in one form or another. To play a final year OR to retire as a Packer... and he's just out there available in Free Agency. And I don't think it's because he's expecting a big contract. I mean... they seem to have a pretty good grasp on things, so they gotta see something we don't. I don't know. The ONE thing that's really disconcerting to me is Jayden Reed and that foot. We need him. We wait 5-6 weeks for him to have a surgery and we're getting to around the time where he'd have been expected back if he'd have just had surgery right away. So... not loving that. I hope he can make it all year. Otherwise you go into another year with a WR coming off injury heading into Free Agency and Micah's deal will make paying them a lot more difficult. -Finally, I do not think our CBs can stay with their WRs. But, that's why you go and get a Micah Parsons. Get Goff moving. He's not good when he has to throw on the run. Just 1 or 2 big plays where Parsons pressures him or gets a sack(strip sack maybe) and that could turn the game. I'd give Detroit the edge in this one just because we still seem to have so many things we need to iron out, Micah had a sprained back(I have no clue what that is, I've never heard of anyone ever getting one... if someone has, I'd be very interested to hear what that entails). But again, look at all the Packers talk on here now? Compare that to just a few weeks ago. They certainly went big. And... they SHOULD have Micah for the next 6- 7 years. Or for 3 years and then they trade him for a couple 1st rd picks. Who knows!

I've seen him listed as the other DT... but that doesn't make sense to me. His strength is not in playing the run. Wyatt is a 3 all day. Your starting DTs don't actually matter all that much, but your early down DTs do. I'd go with Stackhouse or....I guess Brooks over Wooden, but Wooden has put on about 20 pounds since his rookie year(still light at ~290). I'd expect them to play a lot of 4-3 under with McDuffie over the TE and Williams up in the box more for run fits if Stackhouse ISN'T in there or whoever is, is getting moved off the LOS. And that's not because of Parsons. Parsons isn't a great run defender, but he's also not a bad one.

Probably. That's why I said Ashby and Misi giving him out of the pen would be a very good outcome and if they come in and get us through 5 strong. But, I'm also not capping Misiorowski. If he is throwing like he has some other games and he's through 5 with 10Ks and 1H, I'm going to let him go back out there....assuming his pitch count is under control. I'm start him... I'd have Quintana ready to go and... basically just hope for the best. He's one of the few pitchers that can just overpower these lineups we'll face in the post-season. He's the last guy I want coming in with 2 on and 1 out though. Not the way he walks people. But we've got another month to see who we can get back healthy(or hopefully everyone else stays healthy).

Ok, well... that's a lot of stuff we don't know here, but here's what i do now. 1-He's our young phenom. There's a pretty industry standard way you try and handle these guys. He's in his 3rd full year. He's thrown 73IP and 97IP and he should be in the minors trying to get in 120-125IP this year. He's already going to near the cap just making it through the regular season. I don't think he's getting tired, I think they're reigning him in because that's what you do with a prized young prospect. I don't see any indication that he's tired because he does an exercise that emphasizes keeping his core engaged and not opening up too early. He throws a lot of pitches and he tends to lose the strike zone. Even in games he was dealing, he only threw over 90 pitches twice. I do know it's pretty common for athletes in every walk of life to go through a pretty pre-game, fight, match workout to get that blood flowing. It's pretty common. In College, after weigh in's, we'd Wrestler for about 45 minutes going at about 85%. You felt GASED when you were done. You'd just cut weight, you were trying to get a good sweat going. Football players go through a series of sprints, etc... And I asked Grok why pitchers work out before pitcher. This was his answer; All of this and then add the fact that his teammate does the same thing and the Brewers pitching development is considered to be at least among the best in baseball, that all leads me to believe... he's probably not struggling to get through 5IP because of the water bags.

Well, I guess Brian liked it, so it's not just you, but no, I do NOT think it's because he's cocky. He's just a kid. I mean... that can be used so many different ways. Kid, more literally, as an insult, but to me, it's in the best way possible. He's a KID playing a game and he seems giddy to be playing it and he's excited when he does well but he's... not a seasoned vet. This is all new to him. And he's a year ahead of schedule. So him bouncing off the mound and thinking he doesn't have to "bring it?" He's throwing 102. I think he needs to "bring it," a bit less. Ease up. His Curve should be in the mid 80s, even lower 80s, his Change, at least mid 80s. Everything is hard. He's max effort. And the Brewers know this, he knows this. He's trying to be more efficient, but it's not until he gets behind, then he gives in. Then they know he's throwing a FB, if you're sitting on a FB... even at 100 with 7 Ft 4 inches of extension, that velo is going a lot of the work. But honestly, no, I don't think there's a young pitchers I've thought has gotten "too big for his britches," LESS than Misiorowski. I mean, Woody is another guy I don't believe got too big for his britches or... I guess a little overly confident. I've said this before and I strongly believe it, but Baseball is not a sport you can just try harder at when it comes to hitting or pitching. You need to play hard in every other aspect, but with pitching and hitting, you need to trust yourself. Pitching, you need to trust your stuff or you start to over throw and you try and spin it a bit more. But of all the guys... I don't know, I just don't see it with him. What makes him more endearing is he seems like he's a kid who is really just having fun but also grinding out each AB a bit too much.

Ok, well, you're starting off with hyperbole for some reason. Misiorowski is ~200, Skenes is 260...and you said, if I remember correctly, your opinion would be a "completely diffrent story," if any other pitchers or teams did it. I pointed out how the BEST young pitcher in the game does it and you just... for some reason brushed that off by saying effectively, 'well, he's bigger.' Ok. Do you know that each one is using the same amount of water? I don't think Misiorowski is "gassing" out there, I think the Brewers are particularly careful with their prized young pitcher and he battles command and control issues, but neither he nor Skenes are the only pitchers that use it. Quinn Priester uses it. He's not gassing out. And he's only 10 pounds heavier. Hunter Greene does it... pitchers on the Dodgers do it. I don't know man, you really think THAT is the problem and the best team in Baseball hasn't identified that problem, but you from the TV catching a glance of him in the warms ups using it, you have? That.... seems unlikely to me. I don't think a short warm up with the Water balls has anything to do with why he's not throwing 8 IP, but I do think it's good for him as a whole. Check out what Tom House had Nolan Ryan do for Warm-ups or before a start. The weighted Baseballs were his idea, the 300 Ft long toss and I'm pretty sure this comes from House as well, but I can't say for sure. The water is just an expansion on the weighted vests guys have long used to go through warmups. None of this impacts command. That AND youth are what causes Misiorowski's starts to be short. Not because Skenes is heavier than Mis

I don't know if this is true. The 2018 team had Yelich. He was a stud. But... did we have the same depth? Assuming we have the lineup we want and guys are hitting well, I like this team's offense maybe more. Remember, 2018 was when they were using that different ball. Our OPS+ is 107 this year, 103 in 2018. This team Turang Cain Chourio Yelich Yelich Braun Contreras Aguilar Vaughn Shaw Frelick Moose Ortiz Pina Perkins Arcia Durbin Pitchers spot And the '21 team... ERA+ is skewed because you're riding your best arms more(this team is better though). But... I don't know that it was a WHOLE lot better. You got Burnes 6IP in that series Woody threw 7 1/3 in 2 games Peralta threw 4 IP Lauer, Houser, Ashby-All of them got beat up Hunter Strickland 2 IP- OER Boxberger 2IP 0ER Hader 2IP gave up that HR to Freeman Jake Cousins 1 IP I think it's just ALL about how many guys are healthy. The 1-3 starters were dominant in '21. No question there. But we had no Devin Williams. Boxberger and Strickland were... just guys. I'd take Mears and probably Koenig over them(at least when he's going right). Peralta Woody Priester I'd guess 5IP from each just... that's about what you should count on. But Priester could get on a roll, get some GBs and give you 7. Freddy can always give you 6, but he or Woody could both go 4 also. Ashby and Hall in a 7 games series could give you 5-6 Uribe and the BIG one Megill Then you have Mears, Misiorowski(the topic of the thread) is a HUGE X factor, but to the point where I'd rather roll with him vs Quintana. Koenig and if you're this deep, you just hope Myers and Patrick can throw well out of the pen. I don't know, I certainly see the argument for the '18 offense and the '21 staff, but I think part of that is because this chapter hasn't been written yet. Braun was near the end, but he came up big. I think that guy is Chourio. Conreras, Yelich, Turang, Frelick...Durbin, those guys battle. And I'm not giving up on Hoskins either. He's been there before. If Vaughn falters, I don't have a ton of confidence in Hoskins, but the playoffs are full of players like him coming through with that big hit. So not disagreeing, but I think we're too close to it right now. I think this offense is more spread out, we do it differently, they battle a little more. The aggression has to be a little more controlled if we're going to be successful, but we know Chourio or Yelich can carry us, Turang and Frelick can set the table(or Turang is just turning into a HR hitter). And Contreras has been red hot as of late. It'll be fun, I'm pretty confident of that!

Well, it could get you 8, it could get you 5. So what? We're talking about the playoffs. You have your whole staff and you have days off in-between. Uribe and Megill make that 7. Or they make it 8 as Misiorowski could certainly go 4 or Ashby could go 4. OR... they BOTH go 4. You don't need to plan these games out this farm in advance. Throw him out there, see if he's got it. If he doesn't, he only throws 2IP and...that's as much as a long reliever would throw. I'm not seeing the problem. He's erratic. He can be great, he can be wild. If you get 5 great innings from Misiorowski and Ashby... that's a plus, not a negative. If you get more, that's a bonus.

Paul Skenes pretty famously does it... and I think the Brewers strength and conditioning were the ones who recommended it to Misiorowski.

But what difference does it make if that's 1-3rd inning of 4th-6th? We're assuming it'll be Peralta Woody Priester Right? So then the question is, Quintana or Misiorowski and whoever we need or Quintana and maybe you get 4IP out of him. As soon as he gets into trouble, yank him. But he can also get on a roll and maybe give you 5 overpowering innings. It's not like this a series in the middle of this 19 in 18. Just... rum him out there, try and calm him down and I think you could see him deliver one of those epic post-season starts. 5IP, 1H 2BB 0ER. 12Ks. He's got that in him... or he could get 2 2/3 and walk 4 with a WP and need to come out early on. But I would rather go with him to star than Quintana in the playoffs.

For me, I'm starting him. He doesn't have to pitch 6-7 innings, BUT he can also push it and you can just let him go. It's the playoffs. I'd keep him to 4-5 innings the rest of the year, probably skip him the last time through, but Priester is getting skipped, don't know if/when Hall is going to be back. Sounds like they shut Henderson down, right? I thought he'd be out until Oct 6th. That'd be 60 days so... I suppose he could throw some simulated games in AZ, but.. why risk a shoulder. Especially if it's that capule that Woody had. Just let it completely heal and see him in April 2026. But I'm throwing him out there, making a team use all their LHH and then piggy back Ashby. If he doesn't have it, you're going to have to get him early, but it'll be the post-season. If he's on and dealing through 5 and at 85, bring him out for the 6th and if someone reaches, go to Ashby. I don't know, play it by ear, but I don't really trust anyone else a WHOLE lot more than him. Priester is skipping a start, Woody has kinda leveled off. That's fine, he's pitching well, but I like power pitchers. The big keys will be getting Hall back... as long as he's completely healthy and Megill. That one is HUGE. Just gotta see what you can get from some of these other guys. Tobias Myers throwing 97/98. Even if it was a hot gun? I'd love to see him get a start. Gasser seems unlikey to make a splash, but hell, who knows. He's back and ready. I remember before the deadline thinking if we could just get one of Duran, Clase, or Felix Bautista, I'd be willing to give up a top(none Made, Pena Pratt) prospect, but I didn't think it was necessary. The benefit of hindsight, eh?

It's hard for me to argue with the way the Brewers strength and conditioning gets a guy ready to go. We have injuries, but it still seems like it's at a low rate than most.

I mean, Clifton and Tauscher had short arms! Clifton's were... I think the same size. But I don't know anything about this dude, I was just listening to the Waddle and Silvy or whatever it is. They were talking about hopefully he'd take the job by week 14 when talking about Parsons. They've got a couple other guys I like... and if you do value PFF, Braxton Jones grades out well. It usually makes sense to me, but sometimes it... just doesn't. That's pretty wild. QB hits. I just went and looked at the 2 times they played(he was out last year). But PFF doesn't count the sacks as hits. So 20 QB hits is a really good season IMO. 30 is an ELITE season even without the sacks. Parsons has 30 and 13 sacks(43 total QB hits) 26 and 13.5 33 and 14 23 and 12 -missed the last 4 games when they sat him down after being pretty much eliminated. THIS feels more like those SF teams when they had Bosa and then you couldn't double the other teams. When they brought a LBer, he was getting home. And they did NOT have great DBs most of the time. He also plays more physical. He rushes upfield, but then stops on a dime and comes back under so well(this is off like 20 minutes of highlights, so not a comprehensive review, but... still).

I think that OL is good and could be REALLY good. Darrisaw bounces between good and great. O'Neil is an elite run blocker and good pass blocker. Will Fries was a top 3 Guard last year before injury. They took Donovan Jackson with their top pick in Rd1. He's a stud in the run game, he stepped in for Josh Simmons and was outstanding at LT. And then their big question is Ryan Kelly, former PB Center from the Colts. htthttps://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2025-nfl-offensive-line-rankings https://ftw.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2025/08/28/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-2025/85850258007/ That's not to say your pick is wrong. I mean... the NFCN, I wouldn't be surprised to see any team win it. Even Chicago. Easy to envision Caleb taking a big jump, Ben Johnson getting that offense humming, a revamped OL(though still not set at LT as I think 'Sheed is better than Braxton Jones and I don't think Walker is anything to write home about). I don't know what their OL is. They added Thuney, Dalman, Jonah Jackson and then they've got like 4 guys who I think could get snaps at LT. They may have found a PS guy to take it over Amegadjie(who I loved coming out), Ozzy Trapilo and then this guy Theo Bendedet who... I have no clue about, but maybe @nate82could shed some light here. I've heard Chicago radio talking about him like he could be a guy who could beat out the entrenched starter and two day two picks by the time Micah comes to Chicago Week 14. Detroit is ranked way too low there by PFF. Having that one just overpowering and dominant OT makes it easier on everyone else. Sewell can take his man out of the play. If you have a guy like Sewell and Decker on the outside, you HAVE to pressure them up the middle, but I like the young guys they got. Still, it'd be the top OL if not for the loss of Ragnow. I'll certainly be hoping he doesn't have a mid-season change of mind. We have to rank last "on paper," right now. Morgan looks like he could be a Tom type player, but he hasn't actually done anything. He's athletic, has quick feet, but gotta see it. Banks-Again, they like him more than PFF and he allows Jenkins to kick inside, but...I'm not sure if he's solid or a stud. C-I think Jenkins has a big time year, but then you choose between signing him, MAYBE trading him. I don't know... RG-Rhyan is passable, Morgan could be great here, Benton doesn't seem quite ready but as the year goes on? RT-Tom, still underrated. Maybe the 3rd most valuable player on the team? This is why Parsons was so big. We have great OL's in the division and we've got another great OL on the way to the SB in Philly and SF.

Of course they are! And they'd be celebrating had they re-signed him. I never really considered this. In fact, I was exchanging private messages with a guy who works with NFL athletes training them(He's just starting, he's got a few down in Florida). Didn't know Micah, but is diehard Packers fan. I asked him about the Micah rumors and he Sent me a voice message saying; Yeah, it'd be awesome, but players like that are NEVER traded and the Packers don't work like that. From one of the most boring Training Camps in a LONG time to immediately one of the most excited as the Packers just VERY possibly traded for the BEST player in NFL History to be traded... in his prime. https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/top-10-biggest-trades-nfl-history-where-does-micah-parsons-deal-rank The NFL has never seen a trade like this. And we did it for two 1sts and Kenny Clark. And if we want, we'll probably be able to sign Clark after this year again!

Ahh...wonder if that was a block or a hedge against Wheeler? Or... just depth, but he got close.

Or getting hurt. I heard someone say he was a Brock Purdy type QB with more athleticsm(and a bigger arm) but until you play...that doesn't mean much, but say assuming he's good but has a minor injury that costs him 4 games. Just bringing in a guy who can go 2-2 can save your season(as Malik Willis did last year). The Vikings FO is underrated IMO. They rarely make the big splashy move, but they make smaller, smart moves. Last year Greenard and Van Ginkel(also drafted Dallas Turner)... as well as Florres. Now they added Hargrove and Johnathan Allen to play on the DL. Their CBs are pretty poor, but if you have a great pass rush, you don't need Deion and Champ Bailey.

I mean, Jayden Reed is practicing right now. That COULD end up being a huge story line. But practice is mostly is no contact and you're just practicing against the other teams scheme. Christian Wilkins, the guy the Raiders cut 1 year into a 4 year 110M deal with 85.2M GTD because he had a Jones Fracture in his foot, opted to not have surgery, missed the rest of the year, then opted to not have surgery in the off-season and the Raiders disagreed. Not saying Reed will end up in that same camp obviously, but you can see the video from him practicing and he's clearly favoring that leg and it's not super encouraging. So it sounds ot me, the Packers havea nother player that's choosing to try and put off surgery. -He has surgery when it happens and he's back by week 6-7. -He tries to play through it, realizes he needs surgery and he'll be out until the end of the year. In this case, the Packers have the Foot/ankle Doctor teams from all over the league send their guys to when they suffer an injury, so hopefully this is different, but this hasn't worked out great in the past. Jaire has been in a different situation though. He had a PCL injury that he tried to play with vs the Bears, reinjured it. And if you have surgery, you're out 6-12 months. So I guess there was no point in having surgery immediately then. Same with the shoulder. He broke the ball. That is a brutal injury and you can have surgery. Again, season ending. He came back that year and played pretty well vs SF in coverage, but then you needed him to tackle Deebo and that hurts just thinking about. Maybe he has a lowER pain tolerance for the NFL, but he might just have had some injuries that were worse than we were led to believe and that has given the impression he was soft.

I'd have said the Steelers, but I just noticed they let Najee Harris go in free agency... and for a deal worth up to 9.5M. Both teams have young and improved offensive lines. They should both have good defenses. The Steelers range is like 9 wins to 11 wins year to year irrespective of their QB so I'll say 11 wins. The Jets are a team that you look at and at least I've thought the last few years they should be better because of their defense and because they have a HC that I think is a really good HC. Saleh... who got a raw deal and now Aaron Glenn. The Jets OL on paper looks really good, but it's gotta translate at some point. Olu Fashanu, the took the kid from Missouri 7th overall, Armand Membou. Vera-Tucker has talent, but has always been hurt. Tippman has been solid and then they signed a good OG from Baltimore in John Simpson. So the Jets could be a surprise team. There's not nearly the expectations from the last two years, but they're good on the OL/DL and Fields is being given the job and has a 2 year deal and maybe a little bit of a chance to relax and not press? Who knows what they'll do, but I wouldn't be shocked if they won 8-9 games.