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... this is the same team that brought in Fedde. I'd venture a guess we tried to bring Buehler in, but he signed with Philly... 1.04 ERA with the Phillies, albeit a small sasmple size, but Buheler or Fedde? He's been just fine, but... again, this was an idea a month ago when he would still have some utility to the Brewers. He's got none at this point. We don't have to vote on this since... he signed with the Phillies. 26 days ago, it became a moot point.

This is... a bit graphic... but I think aligns with the general sentiment. https://youtu.be/F57SA6GG1bc

Also... I don't really feel like the modern NBA/NFL cares much either. We just watched OKC and Indiana in the NBA Finals(only a few years after our own NBA finals).

I'd feel a helluva lot better if I was Detroit playing with Sewell blocking Garrett vs... Morgan and Belton(who was the best of the worst pass blocking in MLF's tenure). If Cleveland plays as much Man and Cover 1 Man at that, I think they'll hit some big plays and probably get some takeaways and coast at home... but I do not think they'll be running the ball well. Anyway, snap counts thus far this year. Some things I found... a bit odd. The 3 WR sets last week. The Disjointed OL will hopefully be cleaned up after Tom sits out this week and comes back after the Bye. https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/green-bay-packers-depth-chart/71457/green-bay-packers-snap-counts-week-3-2025-depth-chart-update

Is anyone arguing this? Yeah, he's usually right. That's not something I don't want to hear. They set the Ravens up perfectly that last series. And Harbaugh probably goes for 2 if they get the stop and they score the TD. He's also usually right... Wasn't MLF "analytically" correct by kicking the FG vs the Buccs in the NFCCG? -That's really appropos of nothing, just trying to remember.

This is... very good news. I will say, if this backfires on Megill, I certainly hope the Brewers would bring him back next year either way. If it's TJ and he's out for the year or not. He's risking a lot, he could just shut it down, wait until ST'ing, come back healthy and get a very nice healthy pay bump, but he's trying to push it a little. As for Logan Henderson, I think that's a wildly underrated arm. He's got the type of stuff that would THRIVE throwing 2-3 innings to bridge the gap like Ashby has, especially vs RHed heavy lineups. He's really a two pitch pitcher with his FB and his Change, but he can keep hitters off balance. Megill and Henderson and... what the hell, might as well just hope that Woody can come back for the post-season. Maybe the NLCS if we can make it there. I have seen comments about how this is likely the end of Woodruff's career(some were rational, like the end of his BREWERS career, some were saying it was just the end of his career-career... which is silly to me)... which it's not. In fact, I think a whole off-season of being mostly healthy and not having to worry if you'll ever get your stuff back will get Woodruff back to closer to the pitcher he was... but I still hope that moderate lat strain heals quickly. Add those three and I'm feeling like there's a 25% chance the Brewers can win their first WS. With Henderson and Megill, ~20%. Without Megill and Woodruff and I think it's going to be a REAL uphill battle to matchup with these teams. A team like the Padres with that BP, or the Dodgers with their offense, the Phillies with...both. Maybe Uecker will get in the ear of the Baseball Gods and we'll see some of these guys come back and get GOOD news late in the year as opposed to BAD news.

I think you're forgetting a lot of other very bad Packers games(of you just have a different perception of shameful). When I think of a "shameful" performance, I think of a just lack of effort. The D was unquestionable. They played hard. Jacobs played hard, the OL played awful but I don't think it was a lack of effort(possibly a bigger issue, we'll find out soon enough). But maybe you've wiped some games, but remember this? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201911030sdg.htm This was the worst game I can recall. They played with no energy all game, they were a good team, the Chargers were not, they were dominated from the start. Flat, no rallying to the ball, got blown out from the jump and there was just nothing there. But... it was definitely a bad performance... but if that FG goes in, we're saying, 'we played that BAD and still won because of our Defense.' My concerns -OL The OL was terrible. 11 of Love's 26 drop backs he had no chance... but on the pick, he wasn't rushed. It was like Goff in Week1. They put pressure on him and that caused him to speed up. Even with the 9 checkdowns to the RBs. -Run Game. I wanted the Packers to keep Jones last year(just to finish out his deal) but I think it's REALLY important to have someone who can add some juice. Jacobs is a tough back. Dude's a workhorse, but he doesn't have the quickness to get outside and the only guy who does is a player who has been on IR since we drafted him. We keep hearing about Lloyd, but... better see something after the bye. -Love/QB Now, I'm not with the people who think he's Dilfer bad or those who only show up when the Packers lose or Woodruff gets hurt like ONE poster, but while I have ZERO question about Love's ability, the guy can look like Mahomes... but even with this defense, you need him to be the guy he's looked like MOST of the time after the first ~9 weeks of the '23 season. OL, Run Game, not good enough to compensate for an average QB. Defense is. WRs-COULD be by the end of the year. But we need him to be better so all those areas don't have to be perfect to win games. We're not trading for a star LT. There's no Trent Williams out there(probably... SF is getting hammered with injuries and trying to get younger, but... that isn't gonna happen). So lets see Walker/Morgan/Jenkins/Rhyan and Belton ONE of those players has a grade over 60 in pass protection... and it's the rookie 2nd year pick. Rhyan is a black hole. Morgan playing out on the right side looks just comically bad at this point. Then hopefully you get Morgan OR Walker/Banks/Jenkins/Belton/Tom in a few 4 weeks. Even then, Jenkins needs to be better. I think Love is really good about 80% of the games, even vs really good defenses. But he and the OL handed that game away. On the bright side, I think the best pass DLs in the NFL are Cleveland, NYG and I don't know anyone else who is as complete as they are defensively. On the other hand... Philly, Detroit with Hutchinson and once McNeil gets back and the Vikings have really good DLs. So even if they come out and put 45 on Dallas, I don't think this OL will be tested until Minnesota and Philly. Better get their **** together.

There was plenty of tape on kids before 2020. It's not just about seeing tape, it's about projecting how a kid will develop and actually working to develop those kids. Rucci, we keep pointing to this small handful of 4-5 star recruits that... isn't at all who we've talking about. And Rucci was a 5 star on 247 and 4 on ESPN or... the other way around, but, he's not at all the type of kids we're talking about. He's more like Oglesby.

Now THIS is an absolutely insane take and a ridiculous one. Some of their best players were 2-3 star. Taylor not exactly a blue chip recruit. He was a 3 star. Their LBers, OL. Tell me who were all the 4 and 5 star recruits when they were winning 10-11 games or... going 13-1 with a 6 point loss in the B1G Championship game? Hell, AJ Taylor was their big recruit when they brought in Jonathon Taylor. Guys like Connely, Van Ginkel, even TJ Watt, they weren't highly ranked recruits. AJ Taylor and Vince Biegal were more highly touted recruits. It's wild how people remember the PC era and are making these excuses or claims that it takes 4-5 years to recover. You have the wrong coach if that's the case. It's just that simple.

I was good with trying to put them away and throwing the ball on the 3rd down and I was fine with the decision to milk the clock at the end for the FG. That kick SHOULD have been attempted with ~4 seconds left but Walker's penalty stopped the clock and allowed the Browns to get the ball back with time. 4 minutes left, throwing the ball on 3rd down is fine. When you're down to the final possession... we don't need the TD there, just a FG and it shouldn't need to be a chip shot. Wasn't it like a 45 yard FG attempt? That's been as good as a chip shot. And without a false start, it's a 39-40 yard attempt to go to OT, or to go to the Bus and escape with a very ugly win. I do think the "2010 Washington was better," does two things. It Misses the point and it REALLY underestimates how good Cleveland's defense is. Them being 3-2 at that point doesn't... really matter. Cleveland is 1-2 and they'd be 2-1 if their kicker who just hit a 56...hit a much easier FG to win Week 1. That Washington team was bad on both sides. This Cleveland team is bad on offense, but they've got an elite defense.

I agree with pretty much all of this. I'd also add... this is the defense the Packers play a WHOLE lot in short yardage. McKinney is that robber the majority of the time. Even when we're not in short yardage, that's pretty much our base defense. You'd really think Love would read the safety there. The only thing I'd quibble about is I think Love did throw a good ball to Golden and Golden just... I'm not sure if he didn't know where he was on the field or if he just thought he'd try and get the first to put it away, but, he had ever chance to put his foot in the ground and cut up field there.

Well... they were still able to do it when Chryst was there. LOL.... sure Nate.

I do not think it does. I think that's still a pretty easy call. 22M for one year of Woodruff is an easy call. I'd still gladly go 3 years 60M.

Yeah, but those kids aren't the ones transferring. A LOT of kids get stuck in the portal without any scholarship if nobody has seen them play. Guys like...Jim Leonhad himself or whoever... they weren't transferring out to start at a smaller school or they'd have gone to a smaller school to begin with. The 2-3 star recruits, same thing. The guys who are transferring are the highly touted recruits or the kids who've played and proven they can play. But I think you're hitting on the point I'm worrying about. I don't know that this staff is capable of doing so.

Ya just HAD to make this thread, didn't you? Contreras gets hit on the Wrist, Woodruff with the oblique. I have nowhere else to focus my frustrations... so they will be directed toward you....

It'd be nice, but... I don't think so. This is the time for 'shin contusion.' Not something so essential to pitching.

Micah Parsons Apologizes for Penalties After Packers' Stunning Loss to Browns This... probably irrationally so, but it actually annoyed me. Like... you're doing too much dude. This just strikes me as a little over the top after the "questions" that just magically surfaced when Jones got overly sensitive about Parsons not taking the contract they shook hands and agreed on, but this feels like him trying to REALLY prove he's the best teammate and the "off the field questions," that the Cowboys let it leak they were rumored about are irrational. There's not a person with two functional brain cells who thinks this was at ALL on the defense. They gave up 3 points(for all practical purposes). But... whatever. Just Bill Bellichick it fellas. "We're on to Dallas."

I'm talking about how they have ONE kid in the top 20 next year and you're telling me how long it takes to recruit. It really just doesn't take a long time. You don't need a deep relationship to go around and talk to the top recruits in the state... you just need... as I said, guys who can sell the program and who make the effort. Well... it does for the top 20 recruits in the next class of '26. This is the ONE D1 School in this State. This is a B1G program. A lot of the "recruiting" is just showing up. Not with a top 100-200 recruit. We don't get a whole lot of those, but it doesn't take years to be able to recruit. It's 2025... in the B1G. You don't need to wait an entire cycle and we've gotten progressively worse as this roster has gone from "some castoff from PC," vs his guys. Plus... do we not remember how he was coming to Cincy with SO many of his guys? He was bringing a whole class of recruits with him! It shouldn't take more than... 2 years in the current landscape to get your guys in there, backfill with the portal. He did it at Cincy. We've seen plenty of guys doing it at other schools Indiana... took them a year and they were starting from a worse position than the Badgers were. He also should have come to Wisconsin with relationships in place. That was a MAJOR selling point, remember? We had a pipeline into Ohio now with Fickell?

How did the previous staff do it? They sold the program, the vision and made it a place walk-on's or guys who weren't highly rated recruits wanted to go. You can do it with Football players. You have a lot of talented guys who end up without a home in the portal.

They still just didn't block on that FG. Then on top of that, there was an off-side on the final FG. A 56 yard attempt... which you just cannot be off-sides on. Imagine if they miss that. They are not good there. I hope Jenkins can get more comfortable at Center as he's not playing at a high level, but this OL is just bad when your strength is Rasheed Walker and you have to slide to help the RT. When you have Tom in there... he's pretty good vs just about anyone on his own. There's only a few players he needs help with... and we played one of them today. I'm also perfectly fine with throwing the ball there up 10-3. You should be trying to close it out with your offense. I would expect the QB to be smarter than that. You know their DBs will be aggressive as they know their pass rush is going to get home. It's just like our DL/DBs. It's still just one game, it's one of the "best" games to lose and I don't feel any differently as a whole after this game than I did before it. We'll get better as the season goes on provided with have reasonable health. Not having Watson and Reed in a game like this hurt.

It is. It definitely doesn't take 5 years to recruit a kid. It takes an emphasis on TRYING to recruit that kid. The idea that you have to start talking to these guys when they're Freshmen in HS is... WILDLY inaccurate. You just have to talk to them. Wisconsin Football had a whole lot of momentum with the Fickell hiring, there was a lot of excitement.

The pick was absolutely trash. That's indisputable. I'm fine with the coach covering or downplaying it. We all saw it. Him trashing him publicly doesn't do much. We saw his reaction on the sideline. He was pissed. I am still absolutely confident that Love is the guy but I'll accept that others aren't confident. He ain't Josh Allen or Mahomes, but even Mahomes has been the QB of a bad offense the past... 4 games now. Look at Joe Burrow vs this Browns team. It's hard to say with Lamar as... again they punted a lot that game, but they got the ball deep on several occasions and converted.

I don't know if they did or didn't. I actually don't think they "underestimated" them, I just think the Browns have a really good DL and they were coming off two games... and they played poorly. Losing Tom(who shouldn't have even played... one snap and he was out) just made blocking that much worse. Very disappointed in Morgan's game(snap reaction... maybe he wasn't as bad as I thought) but the OL didn't play well. That said, look at the Ravens-Browns game. The Browns Defense was outstanding. They were pretty much shutting the Ravens down. The Ravens got a Fumble, blocked punt, interception, turnover own downs all deep in Browns territory... that was how they scored most of their points. The Bengals, they locked up them pretty well also. That doesn't make this "ok" but it also doesn't make it as dire as I think it'll feel in here next week. I thought this would be an ugly game. I expected we'd win(now I expect some HUGE overreactions to this loss... like we have the dumbest coach in the NFL). We didn't. The offense is most certainly to blame. The defense did it's job. Things like this happen. I remember one of the SB teams lost to a 0-9 or 0-10 Colts team(a really bad Colts team anyway). I don't think anything changed. Love threw a terrible pick. He pre-determined where the ball was going. We've seen this with the QBs we've played, we've seen it in the past with Rodgers, Favre... pretty much any QB. You speed up their internal clock, they make bad decisions. That's why Myles Garrett got paid 40.5M and that's why I thought Graham was a great pick(as well as Kris Jenkins). I don't know who their other edges were, but they were good. I think they'll come out and... as the kids say, go belt to ass on the Cowboys next week in a game they'll... DEFINITELY be fired up for and a game in which they're not going to have to deal with a great pass rush(if they had ONE guy like Garrett... I might be concerned). So... they lost a game vs an AFC team. They beat two teams they SHOULD be battling HFA for and this game was bad. They still should have won, but... like Forrest Gump said, "it happens." LOL... now all the FANS who were saying, "lets just take a beat and take it one week at a time," as if we had anything to do with how they actually played... they'll feel vindicated.

Fine. The 2025 team is not. THAT is on Luke Fickell and the staff they have now. THAT is the point I'm making... and they're not exactly doing much better with the 2026 recruiting class...

Ok... we're going to be 4 years out from Chryst this next year and we have I believe 1 of the top 20 in-state recruits going to Wisconsin. There's only so much you can blame on Chryst at this point. And yes, I'm aware of the story... but Fickell took over a better team than he has now, so... at what point is it NOT on Chryst? 5 years? A RS Sr's entire tenure?