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Brewers Trade Wes Clarke To Astros for cash
Turning2 replied to liveforoctober's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
Clarke had some big flys in spring training a couple years ago if I remember correctly. Got some folks excited. -
Well, that's one way for the Cubs to avoid facing Misiorowski for now. Get'em tomorrow. What an absolute garbage late spring / early summer so far.
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I'm not a WAR guy. Not a proponent of most, if not all, of the 21 century/Moneyball invented metrics. Far too subjective of a valuation. Any Win Above Replacement would have to factor in the performance of all the other players in the books in those games, and how they performed. It can't just be W vrs L relative to Player A vrs Player(s) B,C which is how I understand it to be. Teams do have to identify guys who can at least produce to a minimum standard at the MLB level, and every team does to varying degrees of success. Perhaps the Brewers are a little better at it than others. But at the end of the day, none of those minimum standards meeting, role / utility / platoon level players are difference makers that decide the team's seasonal fate. Collins, like so many others, is a filler track buried on the 2nd side of an LP from 1975. Solid, complimentary, supplementary, valuable....but not the defining part of the whole. You have to have those guys on your team, but they can't be roughly 1/3 of your everyday lineup which is the case for MIL at the moment.
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Brewers Trade Aaron Civale To White Sox For Andrew Vaughn
Turning2 replied to wibadgers23's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
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Guys like Collins are kind of a dime for a dozen. Not meant as an insult. He’s a valuable role player, and I like him. I just don’t think the Brewers did anything particularly unique in developing him that every other organization doesn’t do with their bench players.
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That probably isn't a horse you can reasonably expect to change in midstream. Did he even work out at 3B in spring training this year? I know he did last year, but don't recall hearing anything about that this season. Sal is a gamer though no doubt.
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They are not close to being serious contenders for anything more than a wildcard spot and another quick exit. They need at least 3 solid bats. They are not going to trade for that many impact players. They are biding their time, pinning their hopes on a new crop of prospects to all mature simultaneously into being above average players to complement whatever of the current crop is left in a couple years. Any huge trade(s) would block the path of those prospects the front office is banking on too. (Of course, some of them would be in the trade exchange). It is a little disappointing that there doesn't seem to be any feasible short term 3B options that could plug in for a couple of cheap years until Wilken, Pratt, Boeve or whoever comes up.
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Frelick at the top has been a good move in my opinion. But if/when Turang gets hot again, he’ll probably go back to leading off.
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That's about where I land as well. Just keep it in house. Pretty unorthodox to ask a guy who has never worked in middle relief to do so in the middle of a season. Most likely, Arnold was looking to move him anyway. Didn't have to become a drama thing, AND it put the Brewers in lesser negotiating position which he had to realize. That smacks of ingratitude to some degree or ignorance.
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Where do the previous game threads go? Archived somewhere or removed? Was going to read through yesterday ‘s.
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Supposedly. Yeah, who knows. Does it really matter at this point? Not sure that it does.
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Middle relief pen is largely a second set of starting rotation arms. And Woody coming back soon too.
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These two are largely interchangeable and have nearly identical skill sets. Murphy views the 6 spot as a second leadoff as it statistically leads off the second most innings after the 1 spot. So it makes sense to have them hitting with Turang at 1 and Sal at 6. But Frelick has better offensive numbers while Turang is slipping a little. Wouldn't it seem logical to flip them some days and see how it pans out? I wouldn't mind even seeing them in the 1 and 2 since we're getting almost nothing after 6. Yount and Molitor were regularly at the top of the lineup. Turang and Frelick are the closest thing they have currently to that HOF duo of the past. Why not try that recipe and let the power hitters 3-6 get more ABs with men on base?
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Jacob Misiorowski gets the call to the show!!!
Turning2 replied to Jastro's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
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Jacob Misiorowski gets the call to the show!!!
Turning2 replied to Jastro's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
Let him get a taste. No reason not to. If any of the minor league infielders were ready for 3B, I say get them up for a taste as well. MIL literally has nothing to lose. They are a wildcard at best and even that is bit of a stretch unless the heart of the order start hitting again. -
My knee jerk reaction is also "you don't move a gold / platinum glove". But my opinion has changed. There can be circumstances where that becomes a blind spot in how a team can best manage its assets. If you can spend virtually at will to acquire or retain the upper crust talent, then keep your GG's at the position. But for a small market / shoestring budget team, I'm no longer married to that concept. I think it would be less preferable now in the middle of the season to shift Turang to SS, but I wouldn't be opposed to it for next season. MIL is biding its time with what they have until a prospect or three arrive in a couple of years. Nobody of the ballyhooed prospect pool is expected to make the jump next year from what I read. Durbin and Ortiz are band aids unless they start hitting. And I doubt they pick up anyone of significance in the off season for 3rd or SS to alter the current infield options. MIL is stalling until Pratt, Wilken, Adams, Bitonti, Boeve, Made etc are ready and gambling they are MLB quality talents. We have a couple of "meh" seasons to chomp threw most likely.
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LOL, nope. I despise MLB's financial / competitive imbalance. Whether or not they get overlooked is entirely subjective, and you may have your opinion. I happen to believe it's in MLB's interests to have its shiniest awards go to its shiniest stars in its big market franchises whenever possible. Of course there will be exceptions. But to your point, I do think sometimes they "throw a bone" to small market teams as a feel good consolation prize like Murphy's Manager of the Year. Really meaningless award, but hey, Brewers fans can thump their chest about something, and that will keep them watching this grossly tilted league. I believe there is an aspect of that in the MLB business model.
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Yes, I wrongly interpreted that you meant this season. The rest of your post is on point. He has MVP potential no doubt. Stiff competition though. Has to be lights out obvious as small market players will get overlooked if there are several neck and neck considerations. He'll be an All Star no doubt. Probably multiple times if for no other reason than he will be the marketing face of the franchise for most of the coming decade.
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I don't entirely discount team leadership, But I do think some fans put too much weight on it is what I was getting at.
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LOL... you win the optimist award this week!
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I think the fascination with Adames as mentor / team leader / cheerleader was overblown. He was the dugout, class clown whose Gatorade dump schtick seemed to entertain a lot of casual fans. Nonetheless, I could see how a bright eyed, minor jumping to the big stage could find a security blanket in a veteran Hispanic teammate with a big personality. The bigger / better point is having the centerfield responsibilities thrust upon him unexpectedly. Overall, he is doing fine. Like I said, I just wonder which version we should expect in the coming years. Will he be a classic slow / streaky starter who tears it up in the 2nd half annually? Or will he level out his peak production throught the season(s)?
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What do you think explains Chourio's drop off this year? The HR production is still respectable, but the average is... well.... average. Sophomore slump to some degree? Pitchers have enough video to learn his weaknesses? Did he set the bar so high last year, that it's unfair to compare year 1 numbers to year 2? I'm not down on him by any means, he's still only 21 years old. I just wonder if the Chourio of last year was the exception and this year's version is what we should come to expect, or vice versa.
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Agreed 2B is the only logical place for Seigler. Wasn't advocating for him to play anywhere else. I know Turang came up as a SS. My point was driven off of comments from the broadcast recently. They said that (paraphrasing) Turang and the coaching (Lane) had developed an advanced fielding practice routine for the that targets the specific nuances of playing second base. My interpretation was that it emphasized building on the skills necessary to field at an elite level for ground ball situations unique to the position. Building muscle memory, reflexive instinct, recognition etc. Like probably many posters here, I played SS, 3B and 2B in very low level ball, and I know it's fairly easy to transition between them. But to play to an elite level, is a different matter. Turang could easily move to SS, no doubt. But they've invested a decent amount of effort to make / keep him elite at 2B. Would the tradeoff of moving him to SS in order to bring up Seigler be worth it? That's something I don't think they are ready to decide just yet. They wouldn't just flip the switch, they would have to let the cat out of the bag by giving him practice reps as SS for awhile I would think.
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Not entirely unlikely. But it's kind of hard to move a guy not only off a position he excels at, but to do so in the middle of a season where all his prep has taken place at 2B. Yes, Turang has played plenty of SS, but it's been awhile. Throws and positioning, footwork etc all change and the muscle memory doesn't come back over night. Maybe at that point they would figure they have nothing to lose however by trying it.
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He has, unfortunately, disappeared.
