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But, minus our best RB in that game. Wind will certainly be a factor, but we should be able to run the ball and get yards via underneath/short check downs better.

I just assumed it was related to the Masters, but areacodes may be correct.

Well, that was too easy. Frustrating drive for the defense....

Yeah. At least he kicked it to the one. If that had been a TB, I’d have screamed.

Honestly, I think they intended to run the clock down on that drive with the hope of going into the half, and Michigan just kept giving up first downs. A near miss on the Davis near fumble was a reminder that they had a lot to lose there. They were at the 40 with a minute left. If they’re on their own 20 I get it, once you get close to mid field you keep your foot on the gas. Doesn’t have to be anything exotic, but that’s an odd place for a run. Giving them the ball near midfield with them also getting the ball after the half would have been one of the only ways to allow them back into the game quickly. I absolutely understand why they ate it there.

I’ll give the officials a pass on the first one, but calling that a catch/fumble is nonsense.

Honestly, I think they intended to run the clock down on that drive with the hope of going into the half, and Michigan just kept giving up first downs. A near miss on the Davis near fumble was a reminder that they had a lot to lose there.

Low percentage throws on that last set of downs for Michigan. For a coach with a reputation as a QB guru, not a real coherent offensive game plan that sets your flailing QB up for success.

Considering the house of horrors this has been for Wisconsin despite our significant success over the past three decades, this one is very enjoyable.

Sorry, I just strongly disagree. They whiffed on the valuations, then had to adjust after the fact to 'save face'. But, just IMO, of course.

I agree completely. They lost any credibility they had (which to be fair, as a fan-run trade estimator site, probably wasn't much to begin with) by doing that, and their explanations were flimsy at best. In the end, it's a fun tool to play with and come up with ideas. But anything beyond that is inherently flawed.

I love that Minnesota is horrid this year.....

RIP Paul Hornung. A man with a complicated legacy. I'm hoping the Packers eventually retire #5, officially rather than the current unofficial retirement.

That's a crazy weird stat.

My inquiries are requests for information, there's no need to try to interpret a hidden meaning. Fair enough, as I'm sure many of us are seeking information as we can. But, for discussion sake: What is your view on mask effectiveness? And, what is your opinion on the validity/merit of mask mandates? As you work more closely in this area than the vast majority of the rest of us, I'm sure a lot of us are interested in your take.

Among a fan base? Probably not. We're all too obsessed with rankings and 'winning' a trade. Even more so, we're obsessed with winning a trade immediately. Take how John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander looked after ~60 games. Doyle Alexander put up 4.4 WAR in August/September for Detroit and finished 4th in the Cy Young voting. Yet we know who actually won the trade.

It's confusing to me how this evolved to "Masks don't protect you but do protect others." This may be debating semantics a bit, just IMO. Indeed, my initial statement was overly simplistic and too absolute as a quick response to the original poster's comment, but the data does indeed support a much higher benefit to the person who would potentially inhale the expelled particles vs. the inverse situation, an unmasked individual expelling particles which are inhaled by a mask-wearer. But, my secondary point remains the same, especially in the context of which the original poster raised the question. I won't attempt to speak in absolute terms for the poster's motives or intention and will leave it to him to clarify if he finds it necessary, but as I initially said, I think the DHS statement is meant to clarify that mask wearing alone doesn't allow for unsafe behavior and ignoring of the other public health guidelines, and, IMO, also serves as a caution that there are numerous studies to support the reduction of exhaled/outgoing particles due to mask use, while there is less consistent data regarding the success rate of incoming filtration, which is largely dependent on the quality/material of the mask being worn. As such, they're implying that you can't view wearing your gaiter mask, for example, and expect it to be your sole preventative measure just because 'you have a mask on'. Especially in a society where many people aren't wearing masks, making even those with one on vulnerable to some degree. I think that's the real issue they're hinting at. Again, IMO. As I don't want to misinterpret your inquiries on the subject, what IS your view on mask effectiveness?

Sorry for a third post in a row, but I had a few thoughts on the vaccine news from this week. Thanks to Machu and others for the good discussion/information on distribution and such. I think there's a lot of good news there and it is very, very exciting news and very much the light at the end of the tunnel here. There are obviously other concerns that are yet to be sorted out- i.e., does a two-dose vaccine see a high number of people that don't return for the second dose? How long does the immune response last? etc. Also obviously, the big question is willingness of the populace to take the vaccine when available to them. As there is a sad amount of skepticism regarding vaccines due to discredited noise, you'll have some of the populace that will treat it with that skepticism and undue fear. And, with a large portion of the population still convinced that this virus either isn't a big deal or whatever, there'll be a large number of people that won't think it important enough to get the vaccine at all. Hopefully, you'll at least have the bulk of the first part of the 'triage' largely willing to receive the vaccine (HCWs, at-risk people with significant comorbidity issues, the elderly, etc) which will go a long way, but it will be interesting to watch the distribution numbers for sure.

A few final thoughts on masks from my perspective: First, it really is sad that something like mask-wearing became such an absurdly political thing. Second, A lot of the skepticism regarding masks stems (or a least that other than noted in my first point) from an early study from ~April that suggested little benefit. Of note, that study was since retracted. As with many things (i.e., Vaccines and autism), the initial headlines sometimes get latched onto and the later complete change in the story/retraction/discreditation is ignored by too many. Third, the material of the mask does matter. As Chorizo notes, the gaiter masks are basically garbage. But studies do definitely show the benefit of cloth masks, especially multi-layered. But to the greater point from DHS, don't assume that your mask allows you to act in a way that ignores the other guidelines.

'Reduced benefit to the wearer in comparison to the benefit derived from protecting others from the particles expelled by the wearer' is certainly a more accurate statement. Generally, recent studies (October) have been favorable in both cases, with surgical/comparable cloth masks about 67% effective in protecting the wearer: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8 Further, they found that simple cotton t-shirt-like material can block 50% of inhaled aerosols, and ~ 80% of exhaled aerosols. Lots of additional data there as well about materials/layering, etc. For additional info specifically on the 'exhaled' side, I found this article that you linked to a couple of months ago very helpful: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2

Not sure why the points made would be considered controversial- 1)Wear a mask, 2)Be smart while wearing it, since the mask protects others rather than you. The latter part still seems to get lost on far to many, sadly, hence the additional warnings.

Really not sure how that equates. Using a 2nd on Dillon has far more to do with ensuring a competent backfield in 2021 while Rogers is still QB and the Packers have no money for Jones and possibly Williams. There's a huge difference between using a pick for 8 games and drafting a guy and having him basically sit a year so that he can hit the ground running in year 2.

Why does Thompson's record automatically translate over to Gute? So far, Gute's hit on Jenkins in the second, and whiffed on Jackson, with Dillon as an incomplete. A .500 batting average is pretty good...

I wonder if Nebraska is glad about their insistence to play football this fall. Curious if their team actually plans to start playing at some point...

Thoughts today: 1)Obviously, you can only play the team on your schedule with the personnel they have available to play you. Not the Packers' fault that SF was so depleted, and there'll correctly be a caveat applied to the win when looking back on it. Still, you played a team that you were supposed to beat, and beat them significantly. Well done. 2)Nice to see Jones back and effective. They're obviously a better team with him on the field, and the lack of him vs. Minnesota shouldn't be discounted. 3)Adams continues to put up video game numbers. The defenses basically know he's the best receiving option on the team by far, and they can't limit him. He's significantly better than he really gets credit for. 4)I really hate garbage TDs. Hate them. That's a dominant win that looks less so due to the final score. The defense did its job properly for 55 minutes, only to have the score/stats move against them late. Grrr. 5)Thursday games are annoying and likely hard for a team to prepare for, certainly on a physical level if nothing else. Fortunate that this worked out so well for the Packers, as they now get the mini bye and hopefully that will allow Lazard and Bakh to get back on the field and buys extra time for Alexander to get out of the concussion protocol. 6)Beyond that, I don't know what else you can read into a game vs. a vastly depleted opponent. Considering how badly they beat us last year twice, the win still feel good.