I think that a lot of the 'eliteism' that is viewed by some people on the board comes from posters not understanding that arguments are going to happen on a lot of topics, and that if they post something controversial (ie 'Cut Eveland', etc), they should be prepared to defend their position with facts or legitimate observations. It's just that when a post like that happens and they get challenged, some get turned off to this style of message board or feel bullied. But most of us started in a similar situation either here or on the old boards elsewhere, so those same posters can become vital, insightful contributing members of the forums. I agree with Don to a point, that the threads can often become obscenely repetitive, especially during the offseasons. The solution? I don't read the non-off topic forums regularly because I know that there's not going to be a lot of new stuff/discussions. I simply scan the thread titles in the major and minor league forums looking for transaction or injury news, along with any topics that might be interesting. Otherwise, I don't spend much time there. Heck, I probably haven't read through a thread in the 'Trade Rumors' forum since early January, because I know that there's not going to be a lot of things in there. The off-topic forum creates some of the same problems too. I think with that forum (even moreso than the others) there's a desire by most people, including myself, to read most if not all of the threads. You know what? There are going to be a lot of threads that you don't care about that are about topics that don't interest you, but probably interest some of the other posters. For some reason, posters feel the need to slam some of those topics for being discussed. Just because someone doesn't like Nascar or Pro Wrestling or whatever doesn't mean that it's insightful and witty for them to post something like 'I can't believe people want to watch cars make left turns all day' or whatever. I personally don't follow Nascar or care how races turn out, so I don't read those threads or feel compelled to post anything in the thread. If you're not a fan of the NFL and don't care about football at all, why would you even be compelled to read a thread clearly labelled 'NFL Collective Bargaining Talks,' and why would you be compelled to post 'I'm not a fan of the NFL and don't care about football at all' in the thread? I think that that is where some of the elitism and bad taste comes from.