Right, and if Suppan pitches a 10 inning complete game shutout he will have an ERA under 5.00. I don't understand what kind of misery you must be going through to think that Suppan is going to give up 13 earned runs without giving up an out. His ERA right now is 5.30. Most projections at the beginning of the year had his ERA above 5.00. Last year it was 4.96 and the year before that it was 4.62. He has aged and he has regressed accordingly, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have value to this rotation. 11 straight seasons of 30 GS is really impressive. He is an innings eater and a 5th starter. The starting staff as a whole has been a disapointment, but I'm not sure Suppan deserves a lot of the blame.