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Yes, condolences and wishes for a speedy recovery.
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I should add, I think that a lot of activities are relatively safe with non-recycled air, social distancing, and mask wearing. There's little reason to think that going to the theater is that much more dangerous than grocery shopping. Albeit, grocery shopping usually doesn't call for a 2+ hour commitment. And I think the fact that theaters have had lax cellphone policies undercuts their credibility that they'll enforce restrictions. But I sure as hell don't believe a tavern is enforcing anything. Of course, the movie theater experience hasn't truly been stress tested yet. People would need to show up. And I'm still flummoxed that Miller Park, or the equivalent, weren't turned into pop up drive ins. Incidentally I think Milwaukee Film has really handled it well. They engaged streaming partnerships to bring in some revenue, they pivoted to restoration and refurbishment of the Oriental, and they're managing to stage a virtual film festival now with a solid app.
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It seems like you did Touche'.
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Movie theaters are not a dangerous activity. You can actually fully social distance and be safe in a movie theater there is plenty of enough room to spread people out and be safe in a movie theater. This is just fear mongering please stop with your fear mongering. There is no evidence that movie theaters are a dangerous activity with appropriate social distancing. Did I say movie theaters are a dangerous activity? I said people are staying out of them. Which is a fact. People are picking and choosing which public activities that they will still engage in. In Wisconsin at least, they're choosing taverns over movie theaters. I'd agree that the reverse would be preferable. I tend to think that part of the problem with theaters is that people have been trained to only come out to the big, blockbusters over the last decade. So much so that Hollywood has more than ever abandoned mid-budget movie making. I kind of also think that Tenet wasn't the right blockbuster to bet everything on either. It's cold, has an offputting sound mix, and is more than a little confusing. It's like expecting Blade Runner 2049 to bring in the same crowds as a Marvel movie. And Tenet's struggles scared off everyone else. I think Candyman would have been a much truer test of the viability of theaters at this point. I think theaters will still be around after the pandemic. I'm less sure of the existing theater chains.
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I'm just going to try to steer it back to the topic. I'm not optimistic about Wisconsin, not with the current growth rate, not with colder weather forcing people insides, not with deer hunting a month away and Thanksgiving not much further, and not with the political dysfunction in the State. And not with the political power of the Tavern League. Yes, treatments have come a long ways since March. But, quantity of cases matter. And, it really seems that we're going to be fighting Wisconsin's culture as winter sets in. I will say that in the circles I travel in, mask wearing has been good. Yeah, there's always that one guy or family, but for the most part I see people trying. People are clearly staying out of the movie theaters as well. The taverns, not so much. I get it, I was young once too. But, I just wish that people would drink at home. And I can't see shutting down the taverns, like they did in Arizona, happening here. Not without the government getting together and writing a big check to each tavern owner and fat chance of that happening. I do think that we should hold some sort of Trick or Treat. We've learned enough on how it can be done relatively safely. At least we can give the kids (and adults) a little semblance of normalcy. Safely.
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I'm just going to quote what you actually wrote. That to me reads like NYC in March is the bar for bleak. But, my apologies for misinterpreting. Frankly, I do value the medical perspective and more nuanced arguments than we get from the news. I think it's clear, that it's Wisconsin's turn to deal with the outbreak that's spreading throughout the state at a scary growth rate now. And, yeah, I don't think it will get quite that bleak. But, I'm not optimistic that it's not going to get a lot worse in Wisconsin. I kind of think that mixing the pandemic with an election year just made everything worse. I'll leave it at that since I know this isn't the political forum, but the mistrust across the political spectrum certainly did not help matters. And, frankly, I don't understand it as I think the mixed messages have only prolonged and deepened the economic and public health suffering.
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Is anyone making that claim? It sure seems like you are when you describe NYC in March as "this is what bleak looks like". Maybe that wasn't the intention, but it sure seems like the bar is being set awfully low. But, let's turn it around, what does a successful response in Wisconsin look like given the trends we're looking at now? With winter setting in and families wanting to gather, how do we tamp the curve back down?
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I'm just going to butt in and say, maybe "Not as bad as NYC in March" isn't actually a benchmark that describes success.
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I'm not going to overreact at this point, other than to say that I hope it didn't spread to the Phillies. That said, it seems fitting that it's the Marlins dragging down MLB.
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Last weekend was probably the weekend of the year with Palm Springs, The Old Guard, and Greyhound debuting on streaming and First Cow hitting digital purchase. Heck, I heard good things about The Relic as well. FWIW, Palm Springs is very good.
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The bars seem to be the biggest vector for the resurgence. Which I think makes logical sense. That, to me, is the low hanging fruit to concentrate on. And, maybe something that there's common ground to do something about, pass some sort of bill to financially shore up the bars so that they can reopen when safer, crack down on ones that aren't enforcing social distancing, and see if that helps. It beats shutting down large swathes of the economy.
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Texas has shut down their bars. And dialed back restaurant occupancy.
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I suppose it depends on what you're trying to measure. If you're measuring risk to health care workers, then absolutely count everyone in the hospital. If you're measuring severity of the disease, then possibly a hospitalization for something else might not count. Albeit, removing judgement from whether it counts or not is usually a good thing. I'm pretty pessimistic about things at the moment. Yeah, I'm stir crazy too, but wearing a mask and keeping some distance would allow things to approach a semblance of normalcy. And it clearly seems like Americans are incapable of it.
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Apparently Jurassic Park and Jaws were the #1 and #2 films at the box office over the weekend.
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COVID-19 aftermath: What things will change forever?
RobertR replied to adambr2's topic in Off-Topic Forum
I can't see AMC theaters lasting. These last few days especially won't make me feel bad for them. -
That quote really pisses me off. Stopping the spread of the disease should reduce the need for PPE by medical professionals. Heck, just say that any mask will do and America's cheapness will take care of it. No excuses for it. The irony is, the better you handle the virus, the quicker you can get the economy back and increase confidence of consumers. The virus doesn't care about magical thinking and quick fix fantasies.
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Da 5 Bloods is very good. A sneaky genre film that's always about something and features a terrific ensemble. With Delroy Lindo being a particular standout.
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What are you referring to when you say "insincere leniency on the protests but not the ability to earn a living." Going to church, birthday party, funerals, the beach, work, protesting your ability to open your business equals selfish and certain death to others. Massive Protests last two weeks equals necessary and safe. Good luck to any governor trying to sell a lockdown a second time. Nice strawman you erected there. Everybody says they fear the protests will lead to an uptick at the very least. Literally nobody has said the protests are perfectly safe
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I'd be hesitant to say anything one way or the other about Texas. The raw numbers and percentage testing positive are both on an uptick. And it's probably too soon to blame the protests. I will say that Wisconsin does seem to be handling things fairly well recently. It's not going away, but the positive percentage tests and overall cases are at manageable levels and don't seem to be at risk of a spike. We'll see if the protests affect things. But, it does appear that social distancing works. For now, at least.
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It probably needs to be said, but Watchmen couldn't have been timed much better.
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COVID-19 aftermath: What things will change forever?
RobertR replied to adambr2's topic in Off-Topic Forum
I kind of think that there's a binary here that's simplifying things in a way that's not reflective of reality. Incurring thousands or tens of thousands in hospital bills is certainly better than dying, but there's going to be a significant impact and hardship from that. It's going to put a large strain on the insurance industry and rates. I don't know precisely how it's going to play out, but coupling insurance with a job seems like it's going to be questioned a lot in the upcoming year. -
I'm mostly referring to the 7-day average of cases here. That should even out the data to an extent. https://projects.jsonline.com/topics/coronavirus/tracking/covid-19-cases-testing-and-deaths-in-wisconsin.html There's a lot of noise in the data obviously and some of it is simply more testing, but at best, I think we're looking at a long plateau. That said, I think the bars and restaurants opening up the way they did was foolish. The bars more than the restaurants.
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I do not want to be alarmist, but the current trend line isn't very encouraging. Granted, some of that is increased testing, but even the average seems to be ticking upwards.
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COVID-19 aftermath: What things will change forever?
RobertR replied to adambr2's topic in Off-Topic Forum
Jefferson Drive-In is opening up on June 12th. Lots of retro films on the plan, including not just the usual suspect. -
COVID-19 aftermath: What things will change forever?
RobertR replied to adambr2's topic in Off-Topic Forum
Looks like the Majestic is opening Friday. With E.T. and Jurassic Park which is a terrific double feature. https://www.jsonline.com/story/communities/west/news/wauwatosa/2020/05/26/coronavirus-wisconsin-new-outdoor-movie-theater-proposed-brookfield/5258496002/
