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I'm not sure Broxton has the trade value to pick up anyone who's going to make an actual difference and he's gotten pretty much worse across the board compared to last year. Maybe if he was 24 you could hope that he'd figure out the strikeout problems but at 27, this is probably his ceiling. .230/.330/.430 with a little above average defense isn't going to get us the piece we want.

Because getting rid of a bad player and then signing another bad player to the same contract is stupid?

And for those thinking we can get Gray for table scraps. http://www.sfchronicle.com/athletics/article/Billy-Beane-insists-A-s-committed-to-major-11292397.php&cmpid=twitter-premium If you want Gray, chances are the package is going to have to lead with Brinson or Hader. That's fine if you don't want to pay that price but they aren't going to accept our 6th best prospect or something and then a bunch of guys in the 15-25 range because they feel they need a certain position or something.

Slashers are fine only if you do something with it. He's a bad passer with tunnel vision and a poor finisher at the rim. How does that help?

Two of the last three times he's been in a game were when the Brewers had 3 run leads. The other time he came in was after a rain delay. The three times before that he came in when they were trailing and once when they were getting blown out. That doesn't scream high leverage reliever to me.

Nelson and Shaw doing this for the first time at 27 and 28 makes me skeptical that this is who they actually are.

The 1982 team is the point of this weekend. Hmm, here I thought the 2017 Brewers were the point of the weekend.

That was a perfect spot for Hader and his strikeout ability too.

Yankees won that trade.

Sure right now there wouldn't be a big dent in the bullpen if he was traded, but again he has performed when his number is called. Please don't tell me you believe Lopez can be as effective as Hader is right now. And no that is not why I said I wouldn't trade him. I said he would be (is) a key piece meaning I wouldn't trade him because of where he is now and what his ceiling is. He has performed when his number is called, despite the ridiculous number of walks but again, let's look at when he's been called upon. Game 1: Brewers are losing 3-2 to the Diamondbacks. To his credit, he didn't allow a run in his inning keeping the Brewers well within striking distance. Game 2: Came in with runners on 1st and 3rd with 2 outs and the Brewers leading 5-4. Threw two pitches and got out of the inning when Pina threw out Fowler trying to steal 2nd. He literally had to do nothing in this appearance despite pitching. Game 3: Pitched a scoreless 6th and 7th inning a tie game. The Brewers would end up scoring two in the 9th to secure a win. Maybe Blazek or Lopez give up a run or more if they were asked to pitch two innings in this situation. Maybe they pitch two scoreless innings. Game 4: Comes in with the Brewers trailing 7-2 and pitches two solid innings. Brewers end up losing 7-3. Game 5: Pitches a scoreless 7th with the Brewers trailing 3-1. Brewers end up losing 3-1. Game 6: Comes in with the Brewers trailing 3-2 and pitches two scoreless innings. Brewers end up tying the game at 3 but Knebel blows the game in the 8th and the Brewers end up losing 4-3. Game 7: Pitches a scoreless inning with the Brewers leading 7-4. Brewers end up winning 8-4. Game 8: Comes in with the Brewers trailing 3-2 after a rain delay. Gives up a homer to make it 4-2 but the Brewers come back and that's the only blemish in his three innings. This appearance might be difficult to replace but with Blazek starting in the minors, it's possible that he would be able to give us 3 innings if need be. Game 9: Comes in with the Brewers leading 9-6 with a runner on 3rd and 1 out. Strikes out the two batters he faces in the 7th to keep the run off the board. Walks the leadoff hitter in the 8th and gets taken out. It's nice that he didn't allow the runner on 3rd to score with 1 out but even if he (or any other pitcher) did, it's still a two run lead. Sorry, you're just going to have a really hard time convincing me that Hader isn't replaceable with the way he's being used now. That's not Hader's fault but he's also not an irreplaceable piece of the bullpen right now.

But he's not now, which isn't going to damage the bullpen that much, which is why you said you wouldn't trade him.

Neither does Rose. Like it's hard to think of a worse fit at PG on this team.

He's not that key to the bullpen. We've basically been using him every 3-5 days for 1 or 2 innings and we haven't been using him in really high leverage situations either. I think Blazek or Lopez could come up and while they may not have the sparkly ERA, do a similar job to what Hader is being asked to do.

I think everyone would be on board with that but Oakland would have no interest in Davies in place of Brinson or Hader.

I think I'd trade Hader as part of a package for Gray. Just hard for me to see him being able to start with the wildness.

Don't know how many of you have the ESPN app but they had a good laugh at Coshun too.

Losing the World Series and celebrating like we won because we've been a loser franchise for nearly 50 years.

Coshun is awful. Cutting his mic would make the broadcast infinitely better.

Except without the wetbutt.

Verlander is pitching like crap. If we take on his whole salary and give up a couple of nothing prospects to gamble that he becomes a 3 starter or something, that's fine but I'm not giving up anything of value for him. Ray and Dubon is an insane price for him.

I think we just call him Kiwi.

I would definitely be willing to trade Phillips.

No

Not only that but Schwarber isn't Babe Ruth like he was hyped up to be, so the question is what is a say .250/.360/.480 DH with absolutely no defensive value if you even tried to put him out there worth? I can't imagine the A's wanting any part of that for Gray. I think at minimum Baez or Happ would need to headline the package.

Just not that interested in Gray unless the price was super low. Don't figure the A's are going to let him go at the price I'd be willing to pay, so I'd pass on him altogether.