Game Thread (8/06/2022): Reds (Lodolo) at Brewers (Ashby) - 6:15 PM CDT

[NBBrewFan]

Just now, brewers888 said:

Stop providing facts aginst the narrative that McCutchen is great.

Sorry.  I thought facts mattered.

[brewers888]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I don't think it's cherry picking to point out a guy has been our best hitter for the better part of two months when you want to put him on the bench. 

I want him to sit some against righties when Hiura is better.

[Brewcrew82]

Just now, brewers888 said:

Simple question who has had a better season offensively Hiura or McCutchen and while we are at it Hiura vs righthanders against every other player on this team. Keston has done very well against righties yet he never seems to start against them when the numbers clearly show he should start against all righties and not so much against lefties.

I don't get how you can answer Hiura when he's got three-times fewer at-bats than McCutchen. And McCutchen has been a superior overall hitter to Hiura the past couple years as well. 

[brewers888]

1 minute ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I don't get how you can answer Hiura when he's got three-times fewer at-bats than McCutchen. And McCutchen has been a superior overall hitter to Hiura the past couple years as well. 

So you admit Hiura has been better and hasn't played enough against righties proving my point.

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

Stop providing facts aginst the narrative that McCutchen is great.

He's been one of our best hitters since June 1st. That's a fact. I never said he was a superstar or anything. But, of course, you do have the tendency to make stuff up and play victim. 

[brewers888]

So if Hiura goes 0 fer against a lefty Counsell can sit him the next week.

[Never Outhustled]

9 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

133 WRC+ from June 1st to July 31st....Alternatively, the Brewers could be playing in the World Series and you would find a way to label them a bad team.  

What's good numbers in August? For the season? The last 3 years? Yeah,  McCutchen sucks, but he plays because he's the owners favorite player. Attanasio sucks. 

[Brewcrew82]

Just now, brewers888 said:

So you admit Hiura has been better and hasn't played enough against righties proving my point.

Here you go again just making stuff up. What I literally said is that it's virtually impossible to say Hiura is better when a) he has so fewer at-bats than McCutchen and b) he's been a worse overall hitter than McCutchen since 2020. So, no I am not admitting that Hiura is better. Should he play more against righties and in general? That's also up for debate considering the whole 45% K rate....

[Brewcrew82]

If McCutchen "sucks", then what is Nicholas Castellanos @brewers888....

[NBBrewFan]

Just now, Brewcrew82 said:

If McCutchen "sucks", then what is Nicholas Castellanos @brewers888....

Would that be an "I told You So"?

[Never Outhustled]

5 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

So you admit Hiura has been better and hasn't played enough against righties proving my point.

Yup, Hiura versus righties is simply a dominant hitter, and McCutchen has been lame in his late career versus rightness. There's simply no other way to frame it. 

I do love that we at least recognize that Brosseau kills lefties. That entry level managing, but I'll take it. 

[Brewcrew82]

9 minutes ago, NBBrewFan said:

Sorry.  I thought facts mattered.

The fact I literally provided is that since June 1st, McCutchen has been among our best hitters. May? Yes, he sucked. But McCutchen is also notorious for starting slow and then heating up in the summer months. And Hiura has been a disaster with the bat since 2020 and while he's got solid surface numbers this year, his 45% K rate says that those are likely to decline. 

[Never Outhustled]

3 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Here you go again just making stuff up. What I literally said is that it's virtually impossible to say Hiura is better when a) he has so fewer at-bats than McCutchen and b) he's been a worse overall hitter than McCutchen since 2020. So, no I am not admitting that Hiura is better. Should he play more against righties and in general? That's also up for debate considering the whole 45% K rate....

This guy is in love with groundouts to the SS. Those aren't better. Be more concerned with actual production than type of out.

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, NBBrewFan said:

Would that be an "I told You So"?

It's whatever you you want it to be when that poster has the history he does and is completely making things up about what I had said...

[NBBrewFan]

1 minute ago, Brewcrew82 said:

The fact I literally provided is that since June 1st, McCutchen has been among our best hitters. May? Yes, he sucked. But McCutchen is also notorious for starting slow and then heating up in the summer months. And Hiura has been a disaster with the bat since 2020 and while he's got solid surface numbers this year, his 45% K rate says that those are likely to decline. 

Sure. You can present the data in any way that you want.  I am just pointing out the the "Best hitter since June 1st" comment hides the fact that he's only had 1 very good month the entire year AND even with that 1 good month he is playing at a replacement level.

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, Never Outhustled said:

This guy is in love with groundouts to the SS. Those aren't better. Be more concerned with actual production than type of out.

Yes and what has the actual production been since 2020? McCutchen has Hiura beat pretty heavily there....

[willie key]

Cardinals winning the series against the Yankees would be soul crushing

 

[magnoliacrew]

At the game for Robert Gasser's Brewers MiLB debut tonight. Expecting a very high standard.

[Jim French Stepstool]

Just now, NBBrewFan said:

Sure. You can present the data in any way that you want. 

THAT is the crux of this whole thing, and why debates like this wind up on the merry-go-round. Over-analysis. Hyper-analytics in a game that can't be fit into that kinda box. 

[CdrbrgMark]

10 minutes ago, Never Outhustled said:

Yup, Hiura versus righties is simply a dominant hitter, and McCutchen has been lame in his late career versus rightness. There's simply no other way to frame it. 

I do love that we at least recognize that Brosseau kills lefties. That entry level managing, but I'll take it. 

You people that call Hiura a "dominant hitter" vs RHP absolutely slay me ! So

[NBBrewFan]

1 minute ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

THAT is the crux of this whole thing, and why debates like this wind up on the merry-go-round. Over-analysis. Hyper-analytics in a game that can't be fit into that kinda box. 

Well I should have included that to subset the data you should have a valid statistical reason. When Cutch was doing better through early July there was a sensible argument that he needed time to heat up, but it looks like right now that the outlier in his performance is June. It's been hot for July and August so the argument that he needed to heat up has contrary data from July 1 to yesterday that points to an outlier and not a consistent change.

[Robocaller]

31 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

I want him to sit some against righties when Hiura is better.

The problem is McCutchen's platoon splits are negligible this year, largely because he isn't raking against LHP. So beyond a need to get him some days off, there's no need to sit him vs. RHP.

[Robocaller]

Wondering about Yelich. His injury was to his knee, so if that's the problem he wouldn't be able to run well, but he's 16-0 on stolen base opportunities. Which makes me think there is no structural problem anymore. So why is his hitting so strongly affected?

[NBBrewFan]

11 minutes ago, Robocaller said:

The problem is McCutchen's platoon splits are negligible this year, largely because he isn't raking against LHP. So beyond a need to get him some days off, there's no need to sit him vs. RHP.

Not based on a Platooning argument, but on a general argument that Hiura has 0.7 WAR/145PA and Cutch is 0.1/399PA. So Keston playing more (and almost all his benefit is vs. RH pitching) improves the Brewers. You can make a similar argument for Brousseau and LH pitchers.  Both of those players getting more playing time over Cutch improves the offense.

KestBro > Cutch

[NBBrewFan]

2 minutes ago, Robocaller said:

Wondering about Yelich. His injury was to his knee, so if that's the problem he wouldn't be able to run well, but he's 16-0 on stolen base opportunities. Which makes me think there is no structural problem anymore. So why is his hitting so strongly affected?

Mechanics, timing, bad back that doesn't effect running station to station, but impacts swinging.