Brewers (Woodruff) vs Pirates (TBD): 9/5/23, 5:35pm

[Bulldogboy]

8 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Over the last month the top nine position players have 70+ PA each. After that it is Caratini (32), Wiemer (32), Tellez (24), Anderson (16), Miller (3).

They’re barely using the 13th or 14th position player on the roster, I don’t see how a 15th would have much opportunity to add value.

Sure, the 14th pitcher might suck so bad that you might have to use the 13th pitcher anyway, but if the 14th pitcher wasn’t even on the roster you’d have to use the 13th pitcher no matter what.

I’d rather roll the dice on saving the bullpen an inning here or there over the last month than carry an extra position player that will never see the field.

If Andrews can't be trusted with a 7 run lead which has happened twice now then what good is having him around? It makes zero sense. 

[sveumrules]

23 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

If Andrews can't be trusted with a 7 run lead which has happened twice now then what good is having him around? It makes zero sense. 

There is no good in having him around after tonight, so they will likely option him out and call up somebody else just like they’ve been doing with the last couple bullpen spots all year.

Williams, Payamps, Milner, Peguero, Wilson, Uribe, Megill is a pretty formidable Top 7 and a big reason why the Brewers bullpen has been at or near the top of the WPA leaderboard all season long. Chafin would be the last man in the bullpen if it weren’t September.

Andrews only had the bonus spot to begin with because Houser, Ashby, Mejia and Teheran are hurt. Plus whatever is going on with Lauer.

Looks like Julio, Small and JBB all pitched at Nashville tonight so maybe Eric gets the call back up. Only other pitcher on the 40 man is Junk.

[dlk9s]

11 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Only other pitcher on the 40 man is Junk.

That's a little harsh.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Over the last month the top nine position players have 70+ PA each. After that it is Caratini (32), Wiemer (32), Tellez (24), Anderson (16), Miller (3).

I get Caratini's ABs are limited as Burnes' personal catcher and with Contreras playing so well, and Rowdy just got back - so those guys aren't included in what I'm about to say...

Maybe the top 9 position players have so many more PAs than Wiemer, Anderson, and Miller because those 3 shouldn't be on the MLB roster, and that's been the case now for quite some time?  The Brewers are rolling with 14 pitchers, one of them being completely underserving of a roster spot, along with 14 position players - three of which really don't see much of any playing time that leads to getting steady at bats.  The current rules force the Brewers to "only" carry 14 pitchers on the active 28 man roster, otherwise their current 40 man limitations would probably have them carrying 15 or even 16.  Because of that, the Brewers have an expanded September roster that winds up leading to bad late game decisions because it handcuffed with a useless reliever and 3 position players who aren't hitting that are still on the MLB roster because the 40 man construction is a mess.  Why Wiemer hasn't been sent down at any point since the end of the trade deadline is kind of bonkers - he plays really good defense but Taylor and Frelick are fine defensive OFs, too - and they've been hitting.  Canha has come on offensively so he takes some corner OF playing time too. 

There are better options to improve the MLB active roster internally that would require some 40 man roster shuffling the Brewers seem deadset on avoiding.  And that's not including adding prospects to the 40 man for the 1st time in their careers and starting their service clocks.  It is what it is and my frustration won't change that.

Looks like Julio, Small and JBB all pitched at Nashville tonight so maybe Eric gets the call back up. Only other pitcher on the 40 man is Junk.

Why not Toro, or DFA Winker and add Donaldson or Hiura to the 40 man - why does it need to be Lauer, who isn't pitching well in AAA to replace a different bad pitcher when they have an off day after tomorrow's game?  They'll need all the pitching they can get down the stretch, but they could DFA Anderson, Miller, and/or others to bolster the pen once Ashby or Houser are ready to return.

[sveumrules]

11 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Why not Toro, or DFA Winker and add Donaldson or Hiura to the 40 man - why does it need to be Lauer, who isn't pitching well in AAA to replace a different bad pitcher when they have an off day after tomorrow's game?  They'll need all the pitching they can get down the stretch, but they could DFA Anderson, Miller, and/or others to bolster the pen once Ashby or Houser are ready to return.

From his usage this year, the Brewers clearly don’t view Toro as anything more than a deep insurance policy or he would have gotten more than 21 PAs with the MLB club.

Donaldson has 8 PAs at Nashville, but he’s probably got the best shot of actually getting the call at some point based on name/history alone,

Hiura is blocked from PT by Santana, Canha, Contreras, and Rowdy who is barely playing as is.

Which prospect would you add to the 40 man and MLB club early? 

Black? His bat has cooled majorly since getting to AAA and his glove is a liability.

Gasser? So he can pitch an inning or two sporadically out of the bullpen in blowouts instead of continuing to make regularly scheduled starts for Nashville?

These are all such marginal differences around the edges and at the very backend of the roster (24 of 28 useful MLB players is a pretty good ratio) that’s it’s hard for me to see how it constitutes any kind of 40 man roster construction mess.

One of the major reasons the Brewers are where they are at this point even with guys like Willy, Rowdy, Winker, Urias, Taylor, Anderson and various rookies struggling throughout the year, plus Woody being hurt most of the season is because nondescript 40 man depth like Monasterio, Miller, Perkins, Rea, Teheran, Payamps. Peguero, Wilson and Megill have all stepped up and made major contributions at various points.

[Jopal78]

6 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Over the last month the top nine position players have 70+ PA each. After that it is Caratini (32), Wiemer (32), Tellez (24), Anderson (16), Miller (3).

I get Caratini's ABs are limited as Burnes' personal catcher and with Contreras playing so well, and Rowdy just got back - so those guys aren't included in what I'm about to say...

Maybe the top 9 position players have so many more PAs than Wiemer, Anderson, and Miller because those 3 shouldn't be on the MLB roster, and that's been the case now for quite some time?  The Brewers are rolling with 14 pitchers, one of them being completely underserving of a roster spot, along with 14 position players - three of which really don't see much of any playing time that leads to getting steady at bats.  The current rules force the Brewers to "only" carry 14 pitchers on the active 28 man roster, otherwise their current 40 man limitations would probably have them carrying 15 or even 16.  Because of that, the Brewers have an expanded September roster that winds up leading to bad late game decisions because it handcuffed with a useless reliever and 3 position players who aren't hitting that are still on the MLB roster because the 40 man construction is a mess.  Why Wiemer hasn't been sent down at any point since the end of the trade deadline is kind of bonkers - he plays really good defense but Taylor and Frelick are fine defensive OFs, too - and they've been hitting.  Canha has come on offensively so he takes some corner OF playing time too. 

There are better options to improve the MLB active roster internally that would require some 40 man roster shuffling the Brewers seem deadset on avoiding.  And that's not including adding prospects to the 40 man for the 1st time in their careers and starting their service clocks.  It is what it is and my frustration won't change that.

Looks like Julio, Small and JBB all pitched at Nashville tonight so maybe Eric gets the call back up. Only other pitcher on the 40 man is Junk.

Why not Toro, or DFA Winker and add Donaldson or Hiura to the 40 man - why does it need to be Lauer, who isn't pitching well in AAA to replace a different bad pitcher when they have an off day after tomorrow's game?  They'll need all the pitching they can get down the stretch, but they could DFA Anderson, Miller, and/or others to bolster the pen once Ashby or Houser are ready to return.

In the 419 innings Taylor has played in the field this year only 40 of have come in CF, down from over 660 innings last year; and he’s played CF 3 times since May.

Maybe it’s the Brewers trying to keep him off the IL again with that torn ligament in his elbow, or maybe they just prefer other players in CF now, so it’s one explanation Wiemer is on the roster. 
 

 

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