Game 12: Chiefs @ Packers - Sunday, Dec. 3rd 7:20 PM

[Sixtolezcano]

11 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Screw the talk about the DPI. How about the terrible 15 yards they gave to KC on the hit on Mahomes when he was clearly in bounds. Love was outstanding. He's proving he's a legit NLF QB that can be great at times and better yet, still has room to grow. 

 

Watson's injury is the one cloud over this win, but damn, what a turnaround.

And with the cupcake schedule they have left...Chicago, Carolina, TB, Minny and the Giants...10 wins is not only reasonable, but it should be expected at this point. 

Jones, Jaire coming back. This front is looking great. From looking hapless and not scoring 20 to putting up more points on KC than anyone and Love coming back and facing the same team and scheme that made him look bad his first start, going for 3 TDs, no turnovers, making the right call over and over. Even the sack he took at the end. Didn't throw the ball away, throw it up. Tried to dip under, when he couldn't, lurched forward for what he could. 

 

Man, what a turnaround. We're not a "contender," but we've got a shot at having a REALLY good QB. 

If anything the last month has taught me is not to look ahead at the schedule and start counting wins. With injuries, referees, upsets, and just football it is virtually impossible to do, and most often never works out to your expectations.

[Dragonbait]

4 hours ago, MrTPlush said:

I believe I have seen it in recent weeks, especially since the NFL is very pro 'let it play out':

Since they had to stop the clock for the review of the play, the Chiefs are not penalized with a 10 second run-off due to the penalty. The penalty only causes a run-off if the penalty is the only reason for the stoppage of play. 

My bigger problem was they didn't restart the clock once the ball was placed and the official restarted the game.

[MrTPlush]

22 minutes ago, Dragonbait said:

My bigger problem was they didn't restart the clock once the ball was placed and the official restarted the game.

I didn’t even notice that…to be honest, it was hard to follow anything after the officiating was getting everything wrong. By the time we got done unpacking the late hit fiasco, the chiefs WR was getting mauled drawing no flag.

Just a disaster.

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, Sixtolezcano said:

If anything the last month has taught me is not to look ahead at the schedule and start counting wins. With injuries, referees, upsets, and just football it is virtually impossible to do, and most often never works out to your expectations.

Yeah...that's obviously true in the NFL. They could easily lose next week vs the Giants(especially with that inside pass rush). 

But the Panthers, Bears, Vikings sans Cousins, and TB...it's going to be a huge failure if they fall short of 10 wins IMO. As high as they're flying right now, they'll be that low if they lose more than 2 of the next 5. 

It's just insane that the team we saw vs the Vikings or the Lions early in the year...is now in a position to win 10 games(and IF you were to go game to game, would be favored in all 5). 

[BrewerFan]

5 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Announcers talked a lot about how Kelce was pushed with two hands in the back.  Looked more like Kelce slowed down and Owens bumped into him...and not very hard.  Good no call. 

I can't imagine NFL refs making that call. That'd have been worse than the Fail Marry by a pretty wide margin. There's always bumping, shoving and OPI, DPI on Hail Marrys. Unless you have every defender tacklke the offensive player they're guarding, it's a no-call.

On that Hail Marry though, I would have liked to see 5 rushing. I'm putting Gary, Clark, Wyatt, Van Ness and then Walker in there as a spy who triggers as soon as Mahomes leaves the pocket. We've seen it with the Packers and Rodgers. You give them a much worse chance rushing three and letting the QB dictate where he's gonna throw the ball and be comfortable throwing the ball. 

BUT...that's nit picking(like KC fans who are whinning about the loss and blaming the refs). 

[areacodes]

7 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Also, is there a rules expert in here that can help me understand why there wasn't a 10 second runoff after the Pacheco personal foul? 

It was a running clock, Rice was down in the field of play after review. The Chiefs had no timeouts left. I've yet to hear any explanation on this. They ADDED 10 seconds back on for the run back, which I get, but unless I'm completely misunderstanding how this is usually applied, after adding the 10, there still should have been a 10 second runoff that brought it back down to 40, followed by winding the clock before the snap. 

I was at the game and was livid that there was no run off and that the clock didn’t start when the ball was set. Not sure if I dropped more F-bombs then or the late hit against Mahomes a few plays earlier.

On a side note, that game was one of the best, if not best, games I’ve ever been to… just amazing.

 

ETA: found this article talking about the bad officiating and mentions the missed runoff.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/boston/news/nfl-officiating-spotlight-preposterous-chiefs-packers-patrick-mahomes-valdes-scantling/

Edited December 4, 2023 by areacodes

[OldHeidelberg]

I watched a bunch of the national sports show Packer segments on youtube last night and surprisingly not a lot of complaining about the missed DPI, most that did spent just as much time on the late hit on Mahomes. Bayless and Irvin even speculated that Valentine was looking for the ball and it was underthrown causing the contact. I think this is probably what happened with the no call, the officials saw those 2 parts of the play and just didn't want to throw a flag at such a crucial late moment, I thought the Owens hit was a dumb play on his part, totally legal but you knew the flag was coming on such a hard hit to a franchise QB near the sidelines.

Rich Eisen went on and on about how much Love reminds him of Rodgers, the sidearm and backfoot throws and the zip and accuracy on the intermediate stuff. Crazy how fast the narrative turned with Love, I am guilty of giving up on him myself but he looks like the real deal. 

Van Ness flashed a few times, great to see and hopefully he starts making more of an impact down the stretch. Great game for Dillon, I thought it was a big mistake to try and throw on that last third down as Dillon has a shot against a worn down D and the time off the clock was too valuable. Glad it worked out anyway.

 

  

[Fear The Chorizo]

Rich Eisen went on and on about how much Love reminds him of Rodgers, the sidearm and backfoot throws and the zip and accuracy on the intermediate stuff. 

I feel like they all tried doing the same stuff with Rodgers when he first broke in - showing the off platform throws and jump throws and all that stuff....to be honest most NFL quarterbacks do that in today's game.  Two great quarterbacks who wound up being totally different in how they played the game. Hopefully Love leans on his own unique qualities and develops into an elite qb, too!

What has me most excited about Love is it seems like he's found a rhythm and the on-time throws he's making where he's driving the ball 15-20 yards downfield effortlessly - and the line of scrimmage checks seem to be getting communicated across the personnel to the point where we aren't seeing multiple receivers running the same routes and winding up on top of each other, too.  Much easier for talented pass catchers to get open if they're spread across the whole field, and accuracy naturally improves when you're throwing on-time.  What separates Rodgers from just about any other quarterback besides Mahomes is how accurate he is with the football on throws from outside the pocket or when the play breaks down.  Love is definitely not close to Rodgers in that regard, and that's ok if he understands that and instead uses checkdowns and his own legs to try moving the chains.

[OldHeidelberg]

10 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Rich Eisen went on and on about how much Love reminds him of Rodgers, the sidearm and backfoot throws and the zip and accuracy on the intermediate stuff. 

I feel like they all tried doing the same stuff with Rodgers when he first broke in - showing the off platform throws and jump throws and all that stuff....to be honest most NFL quarterbacks do that in today's game.  Two great quarterbacks who wound up being totally different in how they played the game. Hopefully Love leans on his own unique qualities and develops into an elite qb, too!

What has me most excited about Love is it seems like he's found a rhythm and the on-time throws he's making where he's driving the ball 15-20 yards downfield effortlessly - and the line of scrimmage checks seem to be getting communicated across the personnel to the point where we aren't seeing multiple receivers running the same routes and winding up on top of each other, too.  Much easier for talented pass catchers to get open if they're spread across the whole field, and accuracy naturally improves when you're throwing on-time.  What separates Rodgers from just about any other quarterback besides Mahomes is how accurate he is with the football on throws from outside the pocket or when the play breaks down.  Love is definitely not close to Rodgers in that regard, and that's ok if he understands that and instead uses checkdowns and his own legs to try moving the chains.

I think you are talking about how they talked about Rodgers being like Favre and you are right, the years make you forget those comparisons. Yes, Love right now does his best work in the pocket but if you can excel there it is enough in today’s NFL. Hopefully he quickly improves on the scramble throws, I am not doubting he can anymore.

[BrewerFan]

On 12/4/2023 at 3:39 PM, areacodes said:

I was at the game and was livid that there was no run off and that the clock didn’t start when the ball was set. Not sure if I dropped more F-bombs then or the late hit against Mahomes a few plays earlier.

I missed @adambr2talking about the clock NOT running, but it was confusing. If there's a holding, there's no run-off(which doesn't make sense to me) but for pretty much everything else there are supposed to be. There should have been another run off when MVS went out of bounds. 

That's ~30 seconds there. Probably makes the DPI that Valentine was absolutely guilty of moot. And as has been mentioned, when you look back and play the ball, your chances of not getting a call go WAY up. Just a rookie who was in perfect position jumping the gun by a split second. Such a huge fan of #37 though. 

[BrewerFan]

On 12/5/2023 at 9:35 AM, Fear The Chorizo said:

What has me most excited about Love is it seems like he's found a rhythm and the on-time throws he's making where he's driving the ball 15-20 yards downfield effortlessly - and the line of scrimmage checks seem to be getting communicated across the personnel to the point where we aren't seeing multiple receivers running the same routes and winding up on top of each other, too.  Much easier for talented pass catchers to get open if they're spread across the whole field, and accuracy naturally improves when you're throwing on-time.  What separates Rodgers from just about any other quarterback besides Mahomes is how accurate he is with the football on throws from outside the pocket or when the play breaks down.  Love is definitely not close to Rodgers in that regard, and that's ok if he understands that and instead uses checkdowns and his own legs to try moving the chains.

Rodgers was at his best when he was throwing in rhythm and getting the ball out quickly...and that was usually the game plan when we had injuries on the OL or to Adams or our top WRers. 

I agree that is what separates Rodgers from most QBs...and I don't expect Love to become as good as Rodgers, but Love has made some INCREDIBLE throws on the move.

Where I think Love has shown the most maturity is when he's climbing up in the pocket and keeping his eyes up(like on the TD to Watson) this last week after stepping up). 

But he's also made some great throws on the move. It's really hard to compare the two QBs as we've seen this historic, all-time great career that Rodgers has had and we're seeing part of one year of Love. 

So sure, he's almost certainly not going to be as good...but he's also shown some pretty impressive flashes and made some great throws. Rolling to the right and hitting Toure for that 2-point stands out. There was a play I think vs the Lions he made a throw I hated, but he threw an out for ~8 yards, but the ball probably traveled 40 yards as he was near the right sideline and threw it back across the field.