Snell to Giants

[Fear The Chorizo]

13 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

Look at the other active pitchers with 2 or more Cy Young awards and their AAV:

Verlander—- $43 million AAV

Scherzer—- $43 million AAV

deGrom—- $37 million AAV

Even Kershaw got a 10 million dollar guarantee and he might miss all of ‘24 and retire.

If those are the comps, you might think Snell/Boras have egg on their faces, but why would Snell even consider signing a deal which would lock in his compensation for years at a rate so much less than his peers?

 

 

 

 

None of the arms you listed are pitching opening day because all of them are recovering from injury, right?  Keep going down that list of highest AAV pitchers and it reads alot like a 60 day IL right now.  Ohtani, Cole, Strasburg (he's retired due to injury but still making $35m a season for a few more years).  Many of these same guys are Boras clients, too.

Snell is getting less in AAV than these guys and didn't get close to a similar longterm 9 figure deal because, frankly, he carries a very similar injury risk at 31 and teams have either learned their lesson or already have too many arms that aren't healthy taking up huge swaths of payroll space.  Even the biggest market teams have only so much room to pay veteran starters to get injured as they advance into their 30s.

[AKCheesehead]

"People complain that pro athletes make a lot of money; but what they don’t understand is that we need a lot of money because we spend a lot of money."

Patrick Ewing

[MrTPlush]

On 3/20/2024 at 11:18 AM, TURBO said:

Wait, you are saying that 50% of pro athletes end up going broke?

Yeah, I think that is probably really inaccurate. 

Again, you have to consider how much don't really make that much money. It is like the saying "1% of college athletes go pro"...well, "1% of pro athletes actually trip into more money than they can imagine spending'. There was a study long ago that had 3/4 basically going broke within 3 years. I imagine players are somewhat smarter now...but it probably still isn't pretty. 

Just look at the players parking lot and look at what they all drive. Pre-arby dudes are rolling around in $80k+ cars. Considering they could have a career ending injury or become a AAAA player tomorrow, that is pretty idiotic. Unless they went to college and got their degree, they have same education as the guy helping you pick out bolts at Home Depot. Their car is probably more than the salary they could manage if their career ended tomorrow. For international guys they would need to work a decade to pay off the car. 

 

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In 2015, Sports Illustrated reported that around 80% of retired NFL players go broke in their first three years out of the League.

Over half of all seems pretty high but probably not that too far out of line.

[Jopal78]

7 hours ago, MrTPlush said:

Again, you have to consider how much don't really make that much money. It is like the saying "1% of college athletes go pro"...well, "1% of pro athletes actually trip into more money than they can imagine spending'. There was a study long ago that had 3/4 basically going broke within 3 years. I imagine players are somewhat smarter now...but it probably still isn't pretty. 

Just look at the players parking lot and look at what they all drive. Pre-arby dudes are rolling around in $80k+ cars. Considering they could have a career ending injury or become a AAAA player tomorrow, that is pretty idiotic. Unless they went to college and got their degree, they have same education as the guy helping you pick out bolts at Home Depot. Their car is probably more than the salary they could manage if their career ended tomorrow. For international guys they would need to work a decade to pay off the car. 

 

You may have a point with the Acuna’s and Peralta’s who are signed as kids in the islands. But Corey Ray got nearly 5 million dollars, just to sign after being drafted, Hiura got 4 million, Frelick got 4 million dollars etc. The thought that even a 100K automobile would break those guys or the purchase of a luxury car being indicative of wasting their fortunes is kind of silly. Which also omits the likelihood that many of  the cars players tool around with in Milwaukee are leases (I’m sure Turang packs his gloves and spikes into the Bentley and drives from Southern California to Arizona, then on to Milwaukee). 

[homer]

I think the definition of "pro athlete" is important. A guy playing in AA at 30 years old is a pro athlete. And as for the NFL stat above, a guy that gets cut in training camp is technically a pro athlete.

[jerichoholicninja]

8 minutes ago, homer said:

I think the definition of "pro athlete" is important. A guy playing in AA at 30 years old is a pro athlete. And as for the NFL stat above, a guy that gets cut in training camp is technically a pro athlete.

Certainly. Pro athlete covers a pretty wide range of incomes.