Brett Baty

[Scooterfletcher]

This guy was Coby Mayo type hyped less than two years ago (and as an aside Mayo fell on his face this year in his first taste of mlb pitching but I digress).

It seems the names posters here are coming up with via trade proposals and what not are just pretty blah (mine included).   Would it not be wisest to just buy lowish on Baty via trade and see what he can do vs all the other 3B solutions being mentioned?   You have to think a reasonable deal is available to be had….

[Oxy]

If we were looking at an okay-ish development/re-building team I'd say this is worth the risk, but Baty has had 600 MLB PAs of horrible-ness and no options left.  I have no idea what his defense or baserunning is, but this team shouldn't be patient enough to wait for Baty to figure it out at the MLB level.  He's gotta go to Miami or Chi Sox or something to try to get it back.

[Scooterfletcher]

4 minutes ago, Oxy said:

If we were looking at an okay-ish development/re-building team I'd say this is worth the risk, but Baty has had 600 MLB PAs of horrible-ness and no options left.  I have no idea what his defense or baserunning is, but this team shouldn't be patient enough to wait for Baty to figure it out at the MLB level.  He's gotta go to Miami or Chi Sox or something to try to get it back.

He had an ,864 ops and 16 homers in 280 abs in aaa this past year.  If we can buy low on him, getting the guy out of NYC I reckon will lead to an above average 3B in small market Milwaukee and that’s at the minimum…

[Matt]

What's buy low in this scenario?

[Scooterfletcher]

Buy low to me would still hurt but you trade for Baty because you believe in the guy.   But Frelick straight up may appeal to Stearns for an example.   Or Perkins and a prospect like Bitoni with a throw in arm like Peguero or Bryce Wilson in a 3 for 1 deal.   I don’t see Baty being super cheap but if you believe in him, both of these deals for example would be a buy low I feel.

[Matt]

10 minutes ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Buy low to me would still hurt but you trade for Baty because you believe in the guy.   But Frelick straight up may appeal to Stearns for an example.   Or Perkins and a prospect like Bitoni with a throw in arm like Peguero or Bryce Wilson in a 3 for 1 deal.   I don’t see Baty being super cheap but if you believe in him, both of these deals for example would be a buy low I feel.

Baty is about to turn 25 in a few weeks. At this point he's a failed MLB prospect who's going to have to fight hard for a future in the sport. He's not someone you give up value for. 

[Scooterfletcher]

So Perkins, Peguero, and a 12-20 prospect isn’t worth it (let’s say bitoni isn’t the prospect).?  What prospect is acceptable (and the Mets probably aren’t taking this one btw)

[Matt]

17 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

So Perkins, Peguero, and a 12-20 prospect isn’t worth it (let’s say bitoni isn’t the prospect).?  What prospect is acceptable (and the Mets probably aren’t taking this one btw)

Why are the Brewers the team giving up prospects in this transaction? 

[jay87shot]

My offer would be Peguero, Wilken, and a reliever like Justin Yeager.

I like Baty but with no options he isn't the most surefire thing. 

[Scooterfletcher]

I wouldn’t trade wilken in a baty deal.   Peguero Yeager and Patrick maybe.

[StearnsFTW]

Pass

[Oxy]

I was wrong...Baty has option years left.  Vientos is out of options. Still, I don't think he is worth much.  Maybe Tyler Black?

[Playing Catch]

39 minutes ago, Oxy said:

I was wrong...Baty has option years left.  Vientos is out of options. Still, I don't think he is worth much.  Maybe Tyler Black?

Black?!? But he's one of our TOP PROSPECTS!

Admittedly, I am not a Black believer, and not only because of his glove. I don't trust his bat; I don't love prospects that derive a lot of value from walking a ton --- particularly guys with modest power, and a weird looking swing*.

Baty's big-league BABIPs are low, but maybe they represent an issue with the quality of his batted balls or a lack of speed. The Fangraphs team doesn't like the lack of loft in his profile (but then again, they tend to believe more loft is the answer to every flawed prospect).

I think it would be fine to give up Black for Baty. It looks like you'd be trading a future bench lefty UTL-pinch hit/run guy, for a bench corner IF/OF with some pop. That seems like a fair trade based on the Brewers needs.

He'll be 25 next season, so I guess there's more hope that he'll figure it out more than similarly skilled, but older Oliver Dunn or Isaac Collins. But if I was a betting man, I would bet even odds that in a hypothetical 2025 season of 400 PAs, Isaac Collins would outproduce Baty, Black, or Dunn.

*(I reserve the right to keep loving Luke Adams until he stops producing).

[MNBrew]

Any of these 3-for-1 proposals where we're giving up valuable assets to a once-hyped prospect who can't stay in the majors (productively) and has clearly been surpassed by Vientos seem like a ludicrous overpay to me.  If Baty's *that* blocked and proven to be *that* unproductive, the most you give up is a Peguero or Bryse Wilson type, and instead maybe more like a ... hmmm ... whoever a Joey Wiemer type of equivalent would be (and I'm not convinced that's Tyler Black yet).

Last year, Stearns was happy to get Taylor & Houser for an injured guy with upside the Brewers really like (forgot his name), but that's also because those two guys weren't likely going to be Brewers in 2024 anyway, and at least we got something for them.  However, trying to get Baty doesn't equate to that deal at all.  I really liked Baty before and he might be a shrewd pickup at the right price.  I just don't see that price involving more than one commodity of any value.

[Playing Catch]

11 hours ago, MNBrew said:

Last year, Stearns was happy to get Taylor & Houser for an injured guy with upside the Brewers really like (forgot his name)

Coleman Crow, who I believe is pitching in the Arizona Fall League, and flashing some intriguing quality, according to @Joseph Zarr