Wildcard Round: Packers @ Eagles - Sunday, Jan. 12th 3:30 PM

[bigred]

2 hours ago, homer said:

The Miami Dolphins were the oldest team in the league and they missed the playoffs.

I don't know what the magic "age" for a team needs to be, but if you are old and slow you won't help.

Other than because their salaries are usually much higher than rookies/2nd yr players who may be more gifted athletes, what's another main reason veteran players are usually chose as starters over young players? It's because NFL front offices & coaching staffs know that veteran players are much less likely to make stupid mistakes on the field, because they've been there before. Again, this isn't a new concept. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

59 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Keep in mind it was the first transitional year to Capers’ 3-4 from the 4-3 of Bob Sanders. Guys like Aaron Kampman were playing out of role and position. I thought for the first year it went well though I agree that they no-showed in some big games.

They built on this to win the Super Bowl the following year. The troubling thing is that they somehow reverted to complete dumpster fire in their 3rd year in 2011 and we’ve never had anything that I would honestly classify as a top end defense since.

I went to high school with a player whose rookie year was 2011 (I was a bit older) and shockingly he's still in the league. That offseason I happened to be in Milwakuee and he recognized me walking down the street. I had a brief conversation with him about life in the NFL and he specifically said when his team did film study on the Packers that season, it was discussed in those sessions that their defense just looked lost without Nick Collins.

[bigred]

2 hours ago, Underachiever said:

My point is not the sport. My point is don't have the youngest team and then use that as an excuse. You really didn't understand that?

You really don't understand that there's a thing called a salary cap, and going out and signing veteran players isn't always feasible every single year? Really?

[adambr2]

65 million in dead cap charges in 2024 did hamstring our ability to spend as much as we might have otherwise been able to.

The David Bahktiari contract absolutely crippled us. Signing him to a massive extension and getting basically nothing to show for it was devastating. Jaire is essentially turning into another version of that.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Mike McCarthy is out in Dallas. I thought he was safe but when I saw he was entertaining the Bears, that it was something that would get under Jerry's skin. I bet he did not like that.

[CheezWizHed]

On 1/13/2025 at 12:36 AM, bigred said:

You would? The vast majority of true football fans would disagree. Pretty much every GM would definitely disagree. 

Seeing any data on that would be interesting. Otherwise, this just sounds like your opinion on other people's opinions...which is weird. 

Hurts was the "hot" commodity a couple years ago, but the shine has started to fade.  He isn't a bad QB, but he isn't a great one either.  I've not been impressed by his arm in the least.  He is a challenge because he can run, but that only gets you so far in the NFL. And tends to deprecate quickly in a QB's career.  I guess if leg squat stats are a QB criteria...

Honestly, Love is a bit on that same trajectory... he was the hot new QB last year.  This year showed some warts.  If he can't bounce back next year, he might have a similar trajectory of being very good, but not great.  

The main reason I take Love over Hurts is that Hurts' ceiling is better defined (and he is pretty much there).  I think Love has better opportunity to have a higher ceiling as he has a better arm.

[bigred]

25 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Seeing any data on that would be interesting. Otherwise, this just sounds like your opinion on other people's opinions...which is weird. 

Hurts was the "hot" commodity a couple years ago, but the shine has started to fade.  He isn't a bad QB, but he isn't a great one either.  I've not been impressed by his arm in the least.  He is a challenge because he can run, but that only gets you so far in the NFL. And tends to deprecate quickly in a QB's career.  I guess if leg squat stats are a QB criteria...

Honestly, Love is a bit on that same trajectory... he was the hot new QB last year.  This year showed some warts.  If he can't bounce back next year, he might have a similar trajectory of being very good, but not great.  

The main reason I take Love over Hurts is that Hurts' ceiling is better defined (and he is pretty much there).  I think Love has better opportunity to have a higher ceiling as he has a better arm.

I said it, so of course it's only my opinion. That's common sense. 

[bigred]

21 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Seeing any data on that would be interesting. Otherwise, this just sounds like your opinion on other people's opinions...which is weird. 

Hurts was the "hot" commodity a couple years ago, but the shine has started to fade.  He isn't a bad QB, but he isn't a great one either.  I've not been impressed by his arm in the least.  He is a challenge because he can run, but that only gets you so far in the NFL. And tends to deprecate quickly in a QB's career.  I guess if leg squat stats are a QB criteria...

Honestly, Love is a bit on that same trajectory... he was the hot new QB last year.  This year showed some warts.  If he can't bounce back next year, he might have a similar trajectory of being very good, but not great.  

The main reason I take Love over Hurts is that Hurts' ceiling is better defined (and he is pretty much there).  I think Love has better opportunity to have a higher ceiling as he has a better arm.

I'd bet big $$ though, that my opinion is in the majority. I think like most fans, and are biased towards Love,  because he plays for Green Bay. 

[bigred]

26 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Seeing any data on that would be interesting. Otherwise, this just sounds like your opinion on other people's opinions...which is weird. 

Hurts was the "hot" commodity a couple years ago, but the shine has started to fade.  He isn't a bad QB, but he isn't a great one either.  I've not been impressed by his arm in the least.  He is a challenge because he can run, but that only gets you so far in the NFL. And tends to deprecate quickly in a QB's career.  I guess if leg squat stats are a QB criteria...

Honestly, Love is a bit on that same trajectory... he was the hot new QB last year.  This year showed some warts.  If he can't bounce back next year, he might have a similar trajectory of being very good, but not great.  

The main reason I take Love over Hurts is that Hurts' ceiling is better defined (and he is pretty much there).  I think Love has better opportunity to have a higher ceiling as he has a better arm.

Just like how what you think, is only just your opinion. 

[homer]

1 minute ago, bigred said:

Just like how what you think, is only just your opinion. 

My opinion is that you should have responded just once to his post.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think the majority would take Hurts based on perception on and not any kind of reality. He has played in a Super Bowl and has been a name a bit longer. Digging in, he hasn't been very good. He did pretty much nothing on Sunday. I would personally also take Love for the exact same reason, there's a chance his best is ahead of him. I think Hurts is more "this is what you get" at this point. Next year is a big year for Love. They would likely make changes to improve the offense, I personally think he was hurt most of the season too. Will next year be closer to this year or last year? 

[endaround]

7 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I think the majority would take Hurts based on perception on and not any kind of reality. He has played in a Super Bowl and has been a name a bit longer. Digging in, he hasn't been very good. He did pretty much nothing on Sunday. I would personally also take Love for the exact same reason, there's a chance his best is ahead of him. I think Hurts is more "this is what you get" at this point. Next year is a big year for Love. They would likely make changes to improve the offense, I personally think he was hurt most of the season too. Will next year be closer to this year or last year? 

I really don't get this Packer fan desire to say all but 2 QBs in the league are crap. Hurts is good.  

[OldSchoolSnapper]

9 hours ago, endaround said:

I really don't get this Packer fan desire to say all but 2 QBs in the league are crap. Hurts is good.  

Who the hell said he was crap? He's not that great of a passer. He doesn't do any of the volume the elite QBs do and has a 2,000 yard RB. He's the second or third best running QB in the league, but his passing leaves plenty to be desired. 

He's 17th in the league in yards per completion - probably has a lot to do with his expected completion percentage. 

[CheezWizHed]

22 hours ago, bigred said:

Just like how what you think, is only just your opinion. 

Since you gave an opinion about what other people's opinions were, I simply asked for a basis on how you formed that opinion.  

I could say, "My opinion is that you think I'm smart", that could very well be my opinion... but not based on any knowledge of your opinions. 

14 hours ago, endaround said:

I really don't get this Packer fan desire to say all but 2 QBs in the league are crap. Hurts is good.  

 

Quite literally, I said, " He isn't a bad QB" and "he (Love) might have a similar trajectory (to Hurts) of being very good, but not great."

If you've seen my posts in the IGTs this year, I've been critical of Love and his play. Not because I think we should dump him, but to identify the things that are holding him back and there are some basic things to work on.  

Hurts is probably going to be what he is now.  4+ years of starting and he doesn't show much variance to his play or results the last 3 years. I'm assuming he has pretty much plateaued in his development or have some minor improvements. 

Love has been starting 2 years and I see some basic improvements he could be making to his game yet (blitz identification and reactions, better understanding of the holes in the D.  

If you want to compare the two today... they are comparable, close, neck and neck.  If it came down to Hurts being better today, fine.  I was looking for which one had the better upside, which I think Love still has a chance to improve more. 

In a game where the best QBs win most of the SuperBowls, having just a very good one shouldn't be the goal.