Brewers at Cubs; Wednesday, August 20 @ 7:05 p.m.: Jacob Misiorowski (3.89 ERA, 3.29 FIP) vs. Colin Rea (3.99 ERA, 4.61 FIP)

[BruisedCrew]

4 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

This I will agree with. Miz has no role with the MLB club if he can’t throw strikes consistently. He cost us the game tonight.

And should have cost them the first game in Cincinnati. 

[BCF]

They lost 3 in a row not “4”

 

Contreras was 6 inches away from us winning that game most likely and everyone is acting like we got blown out and overmatched 

[adambr2]

1 minute ago, Brewluver said:

You're just being a cock dude.

Lighten up, this is an internet page we come to chat about our favorite team, 

(I'm on 2 Packer's Forums).

Don't be pissed at me, I didn't lose us 4 games in-a-row !!

I’m being a “cock” because I haven’t already accepted tomorrow’s game as a loss.

Okay. 

[Baldkin]

2 minutes ago, Brewluver said:

You're just being a cock dude.

Lighten up, this is an internet page we come to chat about our favorite team, 

(I'm on 2 Packer's Forums).

Don't be pissed at me, I didn't lose us 4 games in-a-row !!

You must be fun at parties

[treego14]

1 minute ago, Brewluver said:

You're just being a cock dude.

Lighten up, this is an internet page we come to chat about our favorite team, 

(I'm on 2 Packer's Forums).

Don't be pissed at me, I didn't lose us 4 games in-a-row !!

Lots are grumpy now ...

Wait until tomorrow ...

to have a cow!

[BruisedCrew]

Just now, adambr2 said:

Yeah, but with the way Peralta performed, that didn’t even matter.

But we’re talking about run differential, and my point is that those 4 runs are the main reason the Brewers have outscored the Cubs in the series. 

[BCF]

Just now, BruisedCrew said:

But we’re talking about run differential, and my point is that those 4 runs are the main reason the Brewers have outscored the Cubs in the series. 

Ok so take out those 4 runs and the games would be 

 

3-0 Brewers

6-4 Cubs

4-1 Cubs

4-3 Cubs

14-11 Cubs in favor of scoring. To me that seems like 3 super close games that could have went either way in a series. Or otherwise known as baseball 

 

It’s not like the Nats series where Brewers were winning 10-0 every game 

[brewcrewdue80]

4 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

BTW, I saw comments on here about Misioroski going to the bullpen.

IMHO he needs to go to Nashville and see if he can learn how to throw strikes again. 

In the bullpen what role would he have that can’t be filled by Anderson? Maybe if he can get straightened out he could be considered for the pen. But right now I wouldn’t trust him with any kind of lead.

I mean robots Miz would have struck out the 1st walk he issued this helped the Cubs with a run and when he should have finished the inning having only given up 2 runs, he had 10 more pitches thrown. I think his frustration is the umps continue missing strikes in the first 2 innings he's pitched that lead to walks/runs & extra pitches.

 

He goes to bullpen he's hitting 103 again and locking down innings. Much different roles.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, Brewluver said:

Palencia NOT getting wild.

 

In his inning he walked two hitters back-to-back, neither of which he wanted to lose with Contreras looming. And one of those hitters hasn't looked good at the plate after sitting all weekend.

He reined it back in to get to 0-2 on Contreras. But yes, he was getting wild.

[adambr2]

Just now, brewcrewdue80 said:

I mean robots Miz would have struck out the 1st walk he issued this helped the Cubs with a run and when he should have finished the inning having only given up 2 runs, he had 10 more pitches thrown. I think his frustration is the umps continue missing strikes in the first 2 innings he's pitched that lead to walks/runs & extra pitches.

 

He goes to bullpen he's hitting 103 again and locking down innings. Much different roles.

I don’t think role matters much until he can start to throw strikes consistently and not stack walks in an inning. Walks as a reliever are going to hurt just as much as a starter.

[yourout]

1 minute ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

I mean robots Miz would have struck out the 1st walk he issued this helped the Cubs with a run and when he should have finished the inning having only given up 2 runs, he had 10 more pitches thrown. I think his frustration is the umps continue missing strikes in the first 2 innings he's pitched that lead to walks/runs & extra pitches.

 

He goes to bullpen he's hitting 103 again and locking down innings. Much different roles.

I wish Woody could take him under his wing and help him with the mental side of the game.

[Brewluver]

5 minutes ago, Baldkin said:

You must be fun at parties

Not at THIS one !!

This guy adambr2 is gonna go nuts when we lose again tomorrow, somebody take away his key board.

[BCF]

Colin Rae walked 3 batters in a row. I suppose the Cubs should send him back down to AAA as well 

[adambr2]

Just now, Brewluver said:

Not at THIS one !!

This guy adambr2 is gonna go nuts when we lose again tomorrow, somebody take away his key board.

I’ve been posting here and brewerfan.net probably since before you were even born. I’ll be fine tomorrow, win or lose. 

You’re ridiculous for writing off any baseball game before it’s played. 

[adambr2]

5 minutes ago, BCF said:

Colin Rae walked 3 batters in a row. I suppose the Cubs should send him back down to AAA as well 

Rea has a BB/9 about half of what Miz does this season. It’s not just about tonight. It’s a pattern.

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

I mean robots Miz would have struck out the 1st walk he issued this helped the Cubs with a run and when he should have finished the inning having only given up 2 runs, he had 10 more pitches thrown. I think his frustration is the umps continue missing strikes in the first 2 innings he's pitched that lead to walks/runs & extra pitches.

 

He goes to bullpen he's hitting 103 again and locking down innings. Much different roles.

I also don't think the BP is a good role for him, but I wouldn't pull the plug on him as a starter just yet either. He's going to have borderline calls go against him (I think you have a point on the Caissie AB), but letting it get to you, and wilting just a little when people make noise, isn't conducive to coming out of the pen.

Maybe he'll get past that in a week or two. Maybe next season. But it has to happen. Like I mentioned earlier, before & after the 4 AB s***show in the third inning he was perfectly fine. Maturity.

[Brewluver]

1 minute ago, adambr2 said:

I’ve been posting here and brewerfan.net probably since before you were even born. I’ll be fine tomorrow, win or lose. 

You’re ridiculous for writing off any baseball game before it’s played. 

So you're 128 years old, (no wonder you're so cranky).

You're ridiculous for giving us the win b4 we even play tomorrow.

(that's called .... double standard)

 

[adambr2]

Just now, Jim French Stepstool said:

I also don't think the BP is a good role for him, but I wouldn't pull the plug on him as a starter just yet either. He's going to have borderline calls go against him (I think you have a point on the Caissie AB), but letting it get to you, and wilting just a little when people make noise, isn't conducive to coming out of the pen.

Maybe he'll get past that in a week or two. Maybe next season. But it has to happen. Like I mentioned earlier, before & after the 4 AB s***show in the third inning he was perfectly fine. Maturity.

I’m not saying he can’t get past it.

But I am saying, he has to get past it to be an effective MLB pitcher. Tonight can’t keep happening.

[Austin Tatious]

It’s funny things don’t bother you when he’s your guy but Rea seems to work incredibly slowly.  Annoying to watch as the game has changed.  It’s not the Mike Hargrove era anymore. 

[adambr2]

3 minutes ago, Brewluver said:

So you're 128 years old, (no wonder you're so cranky).

You're ridiculous for giving us the win b4 we even play tomorrow.

(that's called .... double standard)

 

I didn’t give us a win. I said we could. It’s 50/50, like a lot of MLB games.

Reading comprehension (and math, for that matter) not really your thing, I’ve noticed, yeah.

[brewcrewdue80]

3 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I don’t think role matters much until he can start to throw strikes consistently and not stack walks in an inning. Walks as a reliever are going to hurt just as much as a starter.

We have former SP Shelby Miller throwing relief. You can probably go up and down nearly all team's RPs and find 1 former SP out performing his SP stats to his current RP stats.  

 

8 minutes ago, yourout said:

I wish Woody could take him under his wing and help him with the mental side of the game.

There's time. Miz is a rookie. His career started setting all time records.  I have no thoughts Miz will be starting in the playoffs, unless used as a RP game starter. He's going to be up against his innings cap.  The best part of his current stretch, he doesnt finish top 2 Roy.

[BruisedCrew]

9 minutes ago, BCF said:

Ok so take out those 4 runs and the games would be 

 

3-0 Brewers

6-4 Cubs

4-1 Cubs

4-3 Cubs

14-11 Cubs in favor of scoring. To me that seems like 3 super close games that could have went either way in a series. Or otherwise known as baseball 

 

It’s not like the Nats series where Brewers were winning 10-0 every game 

Yes, close LOW SCORING games which gets back to my point earlier about concerns about the hitting. Going back to Saturday, and not counting runs scored in extra innings that are aided by the free runner, and the Brewers have scored 2, 2, 7, 4, 1, and 3.

That looks like a slump for a team that is near the top of the league in scoring. If the hitters can’t turn things around soon it’s going to be trouble, especially against  better teams.

I share the comments some have made raising the concern that this might be a preview of the Brewers playoff offense. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

10 minutes ago, yourout said:

I wish Woody could take him under his wing and help him with the mental side of the game.

IMO it's a case of going through something you've never gone through before & learning to deal with it.

Back in the 1960s there was a guy in the Baltimore organization named Steve Dalkowski. People who saw him pitch claim he threw harder than anyone. Ever. He walked a ton of batters & never threw a pitch in MLB. There was another pitcher, a little younger, who was reputed to throw almost as hard. He also walked a ton, but made it up to the show, added a wrinkle or two, and grew up to be Nolan Ryan.

Thing about Miz, he already has the wrinkle, actually two or three of them, at a very young age. I believe it's just a matter of time for him.

[BCF]

9 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Rea has a BB/9 about half of what Miz does this season. It’s not just about tonight. It’s a pattern.

In July he had 7 BB in 4 starts. How is that bad? A guy who throws 101 mph is gonna have control problems at times

[adambr2]

1 minute ago, BruisedCrew said:

Yes, close LOW SCORING games which gets back to my point earlier about concerns about the hitting. Going back to Saturday, and not counting runs scored in extra innings that are aided by the free runner, and the Brewers have scored 2, 2, 7, 4, 1, and 3.

That looks like a slump for a team that is near the top of the league in scoring. If the hitters can’t turn things around soon it’s going to be trouble, especially against  better teams.

I share the comments some have made raising the concern that this might be a preview of the Brewers playoff offense. 

I’m not going to sound the alarm on the offense yet. They’ve gotten traffic on and been hitting into a lot of loud outs. That seems more like unfortunate random variation than true slumping.