Brewers Trade Proposal: Joe Ryan or Reid Detmers Could Cost Milwaukee Logan Henderson

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

21 minutes ago, Klantz27 said:

Matt arnold would put a gun to his head before he traded logan henderson for reid detmers what a dumbass proposal 

14 minutes ago, brewmann04 said:

How many years of control for Logan?

detmers is one of the top names potentially on the market.  It’s not a ridiculous proposal (like Made for Peralta) but absolutely would be an overpay.

lets avoid name calling please.  Saying “ I would not make this trade is sufficient”

[Klantz27]

12 minutes ago, TwinsBrewersWorldSeries said:

detmers is one of the top names potentially on the market.  It’s not a ridiculous proposal (like Made for Peralta) but absolutely would be an overpay.

lets avoid name calling please.  Saying “ I would not make this trade is sufficient”

No that's an absolutely braindead proposal trading henderson who has 6 years of control for detmers who is literally a worse pitcher hendersons got a career war of 2.1 in 63 innings detmers has 1.7 in 120 this year career 4.62 era with career 4 fip 1100 whip this year career average 1300 henderson has miles more potential and he has already showed it so yea only a braindead goofball would make this trade detmers literally might as well be a trash can to the potential of Henderson 

[iKezims]

20 minutes ago, Klantz27 said:

No that's an absolutely braindead proposal trading henderson who has 6 years of control for detmers who is literally a worse pitcher hendersons got a career war of 2.1 in 63 innings detmers has 1.7 in 120 this year career 4.62 era with career 4 fip 1100 whip this year career average 1300 henderson has miles more potential and he has already showed it so yea only a braindead goofball would make this trade detmers literally might as well be a trash can to the potential of Henderson 

Protip: You can express your opinion without calling people "braindead", "dumbasses", etc. Have some class and respect. 

Henderson has legitimate injury concerns, its not unreasonable to move him for a starter with experience and a year of control. I wouldn't personally do it, but it is fine for it to be discussed. 

[Klantz27]

2 minutes ago, iKezims said:

Protip: You can express your opinion without calling people "braindead", "dumbasses", etc. Have some class. 

No thanks when im speaking to braindead people I will address them as such henderson has the potential to be a top 5 pitcher in the mlb and win cy youngs detmers doesn't have the potential to sniff that buddy doesnt even have the potential to be a solid number 2 starter detmers is a back of the rotation guy thats all he will ever be so yes trading henderson who has already proven himself to mlb hitting for a worse pitcher would be absolutely braindead 

[wallus]

33 minutes ago, iKezims said:

Protip: You can express your opinion without calling people "braindead", "dumbasses", etc. Have some class and respect. 

Don't forget complete sentences, punctuation and grammar. 

[wibadgers23]

27 minutes ago, Klantz27 said:

No thanks when im speaking to braindead people I will address them as such henderson has the potential to be a top 5 pitcher in the mlb and win cy youngs detmers doesn't have the potential to sniff that buddy doesnt even have the potential to be a solid number 2 starter detmers is a back of the rotation guy thats all he will ever be so yes trading henderson who has already proven himself to mlb hitting for a worse pitcher would be absolutely braindead 

You won't be on this board very long with that kind of attitude. If you can't have civil dialogue with people, then maybe it's time to find something else to do with your time.

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

I find this interesting because Henderson in his MLB career has a 73 ERA-, 70 FIP-, 70 xFIP-. Joe Ryan is having the best season of his career and has an 82 ERA-, 85 FIP-, 85 xFIP-. Obviously Henderson has durability concerns but I view Henderson's 90th percentile outcome as a much better pitcher than Joey Ryan.

Sure, but when you're only throwing a couple starts here or there and going through the lineup twice... I think there's a large regression coming.

 

Give me Jose Soriano for Henderson and I'd make that deal. I think it'd be a larger deal. Luke Adams is a guy you could send over there. I guess I'd hold onto Wilken for another year as I still think there's something there, but nobody is going to give up much for him now. 

We want a starter, a HL reliever and a big bat. I don't think we get the 3rd as it's basically Matt Chapman and I don't think the Giants are taking 10M a year and even if they do, I'd want to flip him next year anyway with Made and company(Chapman's bat speed is still just elite though). 

59 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I'm probably more willing than most to sell on Henderson as the dude hasn't come close to pitching even 100 innings in a season professionally.

I would not trade him for Joe Ryan, though. I might consider it for Reid Detmers, if he were the main piece going to LAA. 

Yeah, I've said as much myself. I like him a lot, but 2X through the order, hasn't gone 2X through the league. I think he's just got a lower upside. In fact, I said I'd rather  trade Henderson than Sproat. Not just because you can get more for Henderson(I think) but because you can see Sproat becoming a much more reliable pitcher and a guy who can hopefully go through the lineup 3 times, who seems like he's going to be more durable(though once you say that with a SP'er, who knows what will happen). 

Anyway, as I was saying, maybe Luke Adams, Logan Henderson and Yoho, but I want back a power arm in the pen as well. Two birds, one stone. We'd be giving them two MLB ready arms with all the control and a guy who could...COULD hit .240/.350/.500 at the MLB level in LF/1B/DH. Maybe 3B if the whole... defensive thing doesn't appeal to you. 

 

I think it'd actually take more to get it done. I just watched a Tigers show, similar to ESPN Wisconsin, it was someone who calls their games and talking about what it'd take to get done and they were throwing out SPing and prospects and asked "If you take Henderson, does that take Made off the table." I mean.... not necessarily. Maybe McGonigle, Max Clark and Casey Mize get added to the equation and... you can take Made with Henderson in a Skubal deal(also, Ricky Vanasco as a throw in as he's got some nasty stuff, worth a flier to see if we can fix it). 

 

Anyway, I'd trade Henderson. I'm just not as tied to him as other pitchers. 

[BrewerFan]

43 minutes ago, Klantz27 said:

No thanks when im speaking to braindead people I will address them as such henderson has the potential to be a top 5 pitcher in the mlb and win cy youngs detmers doesn't have the potential to sniff that buddy doesnt even have the potential to be a solid number 2 starter detmers is a back of the rotation guy thats all he will ever be so yes trading henderson who has already proven himself to mlb hitting for a worse pitcher would be absolutely braindead 

So basically, you think Henderson has the potential... to be a Paul Skenes, Chase Bruns, Jacob Misiorowski, Cristopher Sanchez, Cam Schlitter, Logan Gilbert, Dylan Cease type pitcher(actually, better than the majority of them... PLUS Kade Anderson and Seth Hernandez(just touching on the two young arms that are elite pitching prospects).

 

I guess you believe he's a future Tarik Skubal. Can you articulate why? What about him would you say is similar to a 2X Cy Young pitcher and a top 5 pitcher in Baseball? 

He's a smaller guy for a starter, so he's not likely to add velocity... and that's not a killer for him because he does get good run. 
He has a nice change. 

But it takes more than that or you just have a poor man's Peralta who... wasn't close to the things you've suggested Henderson will be. 


I would also like to take a moment to apologize on the off chance if this is Mrs. Henderson as I'm sure it can be hard to see your Son's name being thrown about in trade discussions. I doubt that's the case, I've just not yet see someone basically say, 'no, can't trade Henderson for Skubal because he's going to be as good as Skubal has been the last 5 years over the NEXT 5 years.'

I mean, you can just say, 'The team control we have over Henderson isn't worth a rental,' and that's a viable argument.

Henderson is going to be basically prime Lincecum is a less compelling argument.