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7 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

NO, WE DO NOT have to trade William Contreras.

I understand the argument. We're a small-market team, and historically we've needed to trade players before free agency to keep the talent pipeline flowing. I've supported plenty of those trades myself.

But I think we're overlooking just how dramatically this organization's position has changed.

Where exactly do we need the bats?

Look at what we already have, and what's coming.

  • 1B/DH: Blake Burke, Andrew Fischer, Luke Adams, Brock Wilken, Eric Bitonti, Mike Boeve, Tyler Black.

  • 2B: Brice Turang, Luis Peña, Luke O'Rae, Trey Ebel.

  • SS: Cooper Pratt, who's locked up long-term, Jesús Made, Peña, Jett Williams, Brady Ebel, Ricki Moneys, Diego Frontado and José Rodríguez.

  • 3B: Made, Fischer, Joey Ortiz, David Hamilton and Brady Ebel.

  • LF: Jackson Chourio, Josh Adamczewski.

  • CF: Garrett Mitchell, Luis Lara, Braylon Payne, Antunez, Handelfry Encarnacion.

  • RF: Sal Frelick, Sawyer Strosnider, Kyle Jones, with Bitonti potentially an option.

  • C: Jeferson Quero and Marco Dinges.

    SP-Misiorowski, Harrison was a co-ace the first 3 months, Henderson has just shoved every time he's gotten a chance. Gasser is fully back from TJ, Priester should be back next hear from TOR surgery, Drohan, Patrick, every arm is back save for the 3 we added at the deadline(and I'd definitely bring Senzetela back as he's got that nasty 98-99 MPH sinker and now that he's out of Colorado, I think he could be in line for a big bounce back season... but I'm even more excited about the likes of Cameron Wagoner and then... just how the Brewers squeeze everything out of these guys. Witchrowski, Kuehner, Crow, Angel Zerpa will be coming back from TJ. He looked bad, but had a ~60% GB rate for the Royals in '25, good velo and deceptive... and we were toying with moving him to the rotation. That's just another effective arm to throw at teams.

That's an extraordinary amount of talent, and it's not all five years away. Those guys are MOSTLY 2027 or 2028.

Pratt is already contributing in the World Series. Chourio is locked up for years. Turang and Frelick are established major leaguers. Made and Peña are among the best young infield prospects in baseball. Fischer has legitimate impact-bat potential. Adamczewski, Payne, Burke and the others give us another wave behind them with Payne looking like... a true impact player, Adamczewski looks like a guy who just fits this teams identify, hits the ball hard, for average and enough power to be a threat.

And then there are the kids who are just getting started.

Diego Frontado, a young international signing, put up an OBP around .460. José Rodríguez is another 17-year-old shortstop with elite defensive tools and offensive potential at SS. Ricki Moneys is another talented young shortstop in the system.

And look at Antunez. What he did in center field at full-season ball as an 18-year-old is a BIG deal. That's a substantial jump in competition at that age, and he handled it... and he did so right after that Frias trade that I hated. Well, still don't love it, but Romero has come in big and Antunez has stepped in and provided the power that Frias has.

Milwaukee has arguably become one of the most efficient organizations in baseball at identifying and developing Latin American talent. Made, Peña, Lara, Frontado, Rodríguez, Antunez... it's not one isolated success. It's become a long trend.

And here's the other thing: we'll have another two or three drafts before some of these kids are even approaching Milwaukee. This isn't a finite supply of prospects we're gradually exhausting. We're continuing to add talent faster than we can find places for all of it.

We don't need to draft 3 stars, we don't need another Cooper Pratt draft. We just need to keep adding talent, trade chips, and while we could certainly get more for William Contreras this year, a pick in the top ~35 is... not abad consolation prize on top of running it back in Milwaukee

The point is that we've got potential impact players at virtually every position, with multiple layers of depth.

And the pitching?

We just finished the regular season with the youngest pitching staff in baseball. And that's BEFORE the next wave arrives.

Tyson Hardin is a top-100-caliber prospect. Bishop Letson has appeared on other top-100 lists. Josh Knoth is back from Tommy John, throwing around 98 with those ridiculous spin rates, and beginning to locate again. Of those three, Knoth might have the highest ceiling.

Cameron Wagoner has a 100-plus-mph fastball and a nasty slider. His story is already exception, but it's another potentially overpowering arm that matters. He could eventually become another late-inning weapon, perhaps supplementing the bullpen next year before eventually stepping into a larger role when Uribe presumably moves to closer after Megill is a FA. Ashby and Hall have 3 and 4 years of control remaining I believe.

Then there's just a guy like... Jayden Dubanewicz, a 6'3" pitcher Milwaukee signed after the tenth round, with a fastball touching 98 and a legitimate four-pitch mix. Could he become another Woodruff, Burnes or Peralta? Who knows? Maybe he becomes a trade chip. Maybe he never makes it. But that's exactly the kind of upside this organization keeps finding.

And I haven't even mentioned J.D. Thompson, Julian Garcia and some of the other arms.

Brandon Sproat is another guy I think could be special.

He's got top-of-the-rotation stuff. This year, I thought we saw a lot of stuff without enough actual pitching.

If Milwaukee can get him to harness it, work down in the zone, elevate when he needs a strikeout and use that big curveball effectively, there's tremendous upside.

Maybe he's another excellent long reliever. Maybe he develops into a starter. Maybe he follows something resembling the 2019 Corbin Burnes progression. just puts up a brutal season, the Brewers refine his repetoire, and he becomes a TOR type arm...

I don't know. But I know this organization has an outstanding track record of developing pitchers, and I don't see any reason to assume that's suddenly going to stop.

Which brings me back to Contreras.

In 2017, absolutely, you consider trading him. We needed more bites at the apple. We needed to accumulate talent and build toward a championship window.

But it's 2026.

We're four wins from eating the whole damn apple.

Why are we still operating as though we HAVE to trade one of our best players to create another opportunity several years from now?

The entire point of accumulating all this talent was to get where we are TODAY.

There's value in having William Contreras catching for a World Series contender next season. Real value. Not hypothetical future value.

And I think there's another aspect of Contreras that gets overlooked.

He's given this team an edge. An attitude. A little swagger that we haven't always had.

Not the same personality as Willy Adames, who brought energy and kept everybody loose. Contreras brings something sharper. He's intense, competitive and occasionally looks like he's ready to fight the entire opposing dugout this postseason, a bit more Wilson than William this year.

I love that about him. And I think it's been important to this team.

I'm not suggesting he's untouchable.

If Philadelphia wants to offer Andrew Painter and Alirio Ferrebus as part of a substantial package, I'm listening. Absolutely.

But I'm not trading Contreras simply because he's approaching free agency and that's what small-market teams are supposed to do.

Make somebody offer us a player we genuinely want badly enough to take away a key player from a team with championship aspirations.

And if we do move him, we're hardly helpless at catcher. On top of everything, we have had the best catching since 2010 and a lot of that is Charlie Moore and his ablity to work with catchers like William Contreras who was a bat first catcher who the Braves didn't think could handle catching everyday. They had him down as a DH.

Quero is coming. We could bring Sánchez back(you'd probably want 3 catchers if Sanchez is one of them). Detroit has Dillon Dingler and an outstanding catching prospect in Josue Briceño. There are ways to address the position, including using some of our extraordinary organizational depth to acquire another catcher(of course that's... just an example, Dingler would be extremely expensive, but Brinceno may be more plausible.

That's the beauty of where we are now. We have OPTIONS.

And OBVIOUSLY as you well know, it's not like it's either trade Contreras or lose him for nothing. That comp pick is genuinely valuable the way the Brewers have been drafting recently. We could have 2 1sts in 2028... and that's on top of what could already be three selections in approximately the top 40 this coming draft if the Bauers compensation works out(which I have a very hard time seeing that not working out.

The organization isn't just developing prospects. It's accumulating the draft capital and international talent to keep the pipeline flowing.

We also have the additional revenue from a World Series run, potentially $30–40 million, and a new CBA coming. The owners have already expressed support for sharing local television revenue more broadly, including a 50/50 arrangement. Whatever the final agreement looks like, I think there's a strong possibility the economics become more favorable for teams like Milwaukee even before the WS revenue(which could actually surpass 30-40M pretty easily when all is told).

Contreras remains under control for 2027, and I think it's unlikely the Brewers exercise his $15.5 million and instead agree to a deal for ~12.5. But hey, maybe you say we'll give you 3 for 75M, I'd do that(I sincerely doubt he would).

We don't NEED to trade anybody.

That's the point.

None of this means we should ignore a great trade offer. It means we don't need to manufacture urgency where there isn't any.

Look at what this scouting department has accomplished. Look at the talent in Milwaukee. Look at the talent in Nashville, Biloxi, Wisconsin and the lower levels.

We're not Houston, trying to squeeze another competitive season out of an aging core and a depleted farm system.

We have legitimate impact players, young major leaguers with years of control, and more prospects arriving behind them.

We have redundancies for our redundancies' redundancies.

And we're positioned to keep adding to that pipeline through the draft and international signings.

I liked having Adames for his final season. I wouldn't automatically trade away that production simply because we could have acquired another couple of prospects.

Sometimes the value of a player is the games he helps you win RIGHT NOW.

And right now, we're competing for a World Series.

This is the time to get greedy.

Let's win four more games. Then let's build a team that can come back and win another one next year.

If somebody wants Contreras, make them pay a price that actually improves our chances of doing that.

Because for the first time in a long time, I don't think Milwaukee has to make a trade simply because the calendar says it's time.

This is tremendous! I couldn't possibly be more fired up about the future of this team after reading it.

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11 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

NO, WE DO NOT have to trade William Contreras.

I understand the argument. We're a small-market team, and historically we've needed to trade players before free agency to keep the talent pipeline flowing. I've supported plenty of those trades myself.

But I think we're overlooking just how dramatically this organization's position has changed.

Where exactly do we need the bats?

Look at what we already have, and what's coming.

  • 1B/DH: Blake Burke, Andrew Fischer, Luke Adams, Brock Wilken, Eric Bitonti, Mike Boeve, Tyler Black.

  • 2B: Brice Turang, Luis Peña, Luke O'Rae, Trey Ebel.

  • SS: Cooper Pratt, who's locked up long-term, Jesús Made, Peña, Jett Williams, Brady Ebel, Ricki Moneys, Diego Frontado and José Rodríguez.

  • 3B: Made, Fischer, Joey Ortiz, David Hamilton and Brady Ebel.

  • LF: Jackson Chourio, Josh Adamczewski.

  • CF: Garrett Mitchell, Luis Lara, Braylon Payne, Antunez, Handelfry Encarnacion.

  • RF: Sal Frelick, Sawyer Strosnider, Kyle Jones, with Bitonti potentially an option.

  • C: Jeferson Quero and Marco Dinges.

    SP-Misiorowski, Harrison was a co-ace the first 3 months, Henderson has just shoved every time he's gotten a chance. Gasser is fully back from TJ, Priester should be back next hear from TOR surgery, Drohan, Patrick, every arm is back save for the 3 we added at the deadline(and I'd definitely bring Senzetela back as he's got that nasty 98-99 MPH sinker and now that he's out of Colorado, I think he could be in line for a big bounce back season... but I'm even more excited about the likes of Cameron Wagoner and then... just how the Brewers squeeze everything out of these guys. Witchrowski, Kuehner, Crow, Angel Zerpa will be coming back from TJ. He looked bad, but had a ~60% GB rate for the Royals in '25, good velo and deceptive... and we were toying with moving him to the rotation. That's just another effective arm to throw at teams.

That's an extraordinary amount of talent, and it's not all five years away. Those guys are MOSTLY 2027 or 2028.

Pratt is already contributing in the World Series. Chourio is locked up for years. Turang and Frelick are established major leaguers. Made and Peña are among the best young infield prospects in baseball. Fischer has legitimate impact-bat potential. Adamczewski, Payne, Burke and the others give us another wave behind them with Payne looking like... a true impact player, Adamczewski looks like a guy who just fits this teams identify, hits the ball hard, for average and enough power to be a threat.

And then there are the kids who are just getting started.

Diego Frontado, a young international signing, put up an OBP around .460. José Rodríguez is another 17-year-old shortstop with elite defensive tools and offensive potential at SS. Ricki Moneys is another talented young shortstop in the system.

And look at Antunez. What he did in center field at full-season ball as an 18-year-old is a BIG deal. That's a substantial jump in competition at that age, and he handled it... and he did so right after that Frias trade that I hated. Well, still don't love it, but Romero has come in big and Antunez has stepped in and provided the power that Frias has.

Milwaukee has arguably become one of the most efficient organizations in baseball at identifying and developing Latin American talent. Made, Peña, Lara, Frontado, Rodríguez, Antunez... it's not one isolated success. It's become a long trend.

And here's the other thing: we'll have another two or three drafts before some of these kids are even approaching Milwaukee. This isn't a finite supply of prospects we're gradually exhausting. We're continuing to add talent faster than we can find places for all of it.

We don't need to draft 3 stars, we don't need another Cooper Pratt draft. We just need to keep adding talent, trade chips, and while we could certainly get more for William Contreras this year, a pick in the top ~35 is... not abad consolation prize on top of running it back in Milwaukee

The point is that we've got potential impact players at virtually every position, with multiple layers of depth.

And the pitching?

We just finished the regular season with the youngest pitching staff in baseball. And that's BEFORE the next wave arrives.

Tyson Hardin is a top-100-caliber prospect. Bishop Letson has appeared on other top-100 lists. Josh Knoth is back from Tommy John, throwing around 98 with those ridiculous spin rates, and beginning to locate again. Of those three, Knoth might have the highest ceiling.

Cameron Wagoner has a 100-plus-mph fastball and a nasty slider. His story is already exception, but it's another potentially overpowering arm that matters. He could eventually become another late-inning weapon, perhaps supplementing the bullpen next year before eventually stepping into a larger role when Uribe presumably moves to closer after Megill is a FA. Ashby and Hall have 3 and 4 years of control remaining I believe.

Then there's just a guy like... Jayden Dubanewicz, a 6'3" pitcher Milwaukee signed after the tenth round, with a fastball touching 98 and a legitimate four-pitch mix. Could he become another Woodruff, Burnes or Peralta? Who knows? Maybe he becomes a trade chip. Maybe he never makes it. But that's exactly the kind of upside this organization keeps finding.

And I haven't even mentioned J.D. Thompson, Julian Garcia and some of the other arms.

Brandon Sproat is another guy I think could be special.

He's got top-of-the-rotation stuff. This year, I thought we saw a lot of stuff without enough actual pitching.

If Milwaukee can get him to harness it, work down in the zone, elevate when he needs a strikeout and use that big curveball effectively, there's tremendous upside.

Maybe he's another excellent long reliever. Maybe he develops into a starter. Maybe he follows something resembling the 2019 Corbin Burnes progression. just puts up a brutal season, the Brewers refine his repetoire, and he becomes a TOR type arm...

I don't know. But I know this organization has an outstanding track record of developing pitchers, and I don't see any reason to assume that's suddenly going to stop.

Which brings me back to Contreras.

In 2017, absolutely, you consider trading him. We needed more bites at the apple. We needed to accumulate talent and build toward a championship window.

But it's 2026.

We're four wins from eating the whole damn apple.

Why are we still operating as though we HAVE to trade one of our best players to create another opportunity several years from now?

The entire point of accumulating all this talent was to get where we are TODAY.

There's value in having William Contreras catching for a World Series contender next season. Real value. Not hypothetical future value.

And I think there's another aspect of Contreras that gets overlooked.

He's given this team an edge. An attitude. A little swagger that we haven't always had.

Not the same personality as Willy Adames, who brought energy and kept everybody loose. Contreras brings something sharper. He's intense, competitive and occasionally looks like he's ready to fight the entire opposing dugout this postseason, a bit more Wilson than William this year.

I love that about him. And I think it's been important to this team.

I'm not suggesting he's untouchable.

If Philadelphia wants to offer Andrew Painter and Alirio Ferrebus as part of a substantial package, I'm listening. Absolutely.

But I'm not trading Contreras simply because he's approaching free agency and that's what small-market teams are supposed to do.

Make somebody offer us a player we genuinely want badly enough to take away a key player from a team with championship aspirations.

And if we do move him, we're hardly helpless at catcher. On top of everything, we have had the best catching since 2010 and a lot of that is Charlie Moore and his ablity to work with catchers like William Contreras who was a bat first catcher who the Braves didn't think could handle catching everyday. They had him down as a DH.

Quero is coming. We could bring Sánchez back(you'd probably want 3 catchers if Sanchez is one of them). Detroit has Dillon Dingler and an outstanding catching prospect in Josue Briceño. There are ways to address the position, including using some of our extraordinary organizational depth to acquire another catcher(of course that's... just an example, Dingler would be extremely expensive, but Brinceno may be more plausible.

That's the beauty of where we are now. We have OPTIONS.

And OBVIOUSLY as you well know, it's not like it's either trade Contreras or lose him for nothing. That comp pick is genuinely valuable the way the Brewers have been drafting recently. We could have 2 1sts in 2028... and that's on top of what could already be three selections in approximately the top 40 this coming draft if the Bauers compensation works out(which I have a very hard time seeing that not working out.

The organization isn't just developing prospects. It's accumulating the draft capital and international talent to keep the pipeline flowing.

We also have the additional revenue from a World Series run, potentially $30–40 million, and a new CBA coming. The owners have already expressed support for sharing local television revenue more broadly, including a 50/50 arrangement. Whatever the final agreement looks like, I think there's a strong possibility the economics become more favorable for teams like Milwaukee even before the WS revenue(which could actually surpass 30-40M pretty easily when all is told).

Contreras remains under control for 2027, and I think it's unlikely the Brewers exercise his $15.5 million and instead agree to a deal for ~12.5. But hey, maybe you say we'll give you 3 for 75M, I'd do that(I sincerely doubt he would).

We don't NEED to trade anybody.

That's the point.

None of this means we should ignore a great trade offer. It means we don't need to manufacture urgency where there isn't any.

Look at what this scouting department has accomplished. Look at the talent in Milwaukee. Look at the talent in Nashville, Biloxi, Wisconsin and the lower levels.

We're not Houston, trying to squeeze another competitive season out of an aging core and a depleted farm system.

We have legitimate impact players, young major leaguers with years of control, and more prospects arriving behind them.

We have redundancies for our redundancies' redundancies.

And we're positioned to keep adding to that pipeline through the draft and international signings.

I liked having Adames for his final season. I wouldn't automatically trade away that production simply because we could have acquired another couple of prospects.

Sometimes the value of a player is the games he helps you win RIGHT NOW.

And right now, we're competing for a World Series.

This is the time to get greedy.

Let's win four more games. Then let's build a team that can come back and win another one next year.

If somebody wants Contreras, make them pay a price that actually improves our chances of doing that.

Because for the first time in a long time, I don't think Milwaukee has to make a trade simply because the calendar says it's time.

This is such a great post. I'm not going to do justice to it with my reply.

Right now, The Big Dumper is the highest paid catcher in MLB at $17 million plus. After next year, when Wild Bill goes on the market, I would not be surprised to see the price tag for a catcher of his quality at $22 million or more. Of course, I would love for us to keep in 2027 and re-sign him in 2028. It's not my money.  But I think there is a certain amount of financial realism that can't be denied (the actual profit margins of the organization for the investors, for example). So I think the Brewers do need to listen to offers. It's not about the calendar. It's about the quality of the trade. If they do identify a chance to make the club substantially better, they should go for it.

Wild Bill brings a lot to the team. He's one of the most important reasons we are where we are. His leadership, his handling of pitchers, his support of the staff and culture -- all that really matters. So whatever happens, I'm going to enjoy watching him as long as he's with us.

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Mid-way through the year I would have been fine to trade William, but at this point I would be really disappointed if we did. Contreras has been way to valuable to trade, I am sure we would get 2 nice prospects back but that doesn't make up for his value on and off the field. I wouldn't really try to extend him just based on how catchers fair as they get past 30. Also the combination of Quero, Naylor, and maybe Wood plus a potential Sanchez style vet would be a pretty big downgrade potentially. Sure all 3 of those young guys have some upside to make a solid platoon but that is far from a sure thing. Also if William is decent he liklely gets a comp pick to some desperate team which offsets a trade.

If we feel the need to add to the system Megill makes a lot more sense to me as we have Uribe, Ashby, Hall, Patrick and some young arms ready to pick the slack up and it is easier to find a cheap reliever of the scrap heap who can be productive.

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On 10/22/2026 at 1:57 PM, RobertCrawley said:

This is such a great post. I'm not going to do justice to it with my reply.

Right now, The Big Dumper is the highest paid catcher in MLB at $17 million plus. After next year, when Wild Bill goes on the market, I would not be surprised to see the price tag for a catcher of his quality at $22 million or more. Of course, I would love for us to keep in 2027 and re-sign him in 2028. It's not my money.  But I think there is a certain amount of financial realism that can't be denied (the actual profit margins of the organization for the investors, for example). So I think the Brewers do need to listen to offers. It's not about the calendar. It's about the quality of the trade. If they do identify a chance to make the club substantially better, they should go for it.

Wild Bill brings a lot to the team. He's one of the most important reasons we are where we are. His leadership, his handling of pitchers, his support of the staff and culture -- all that really matters. So whatever happens, I'm going to enjoy watching him as long as he's with us.

I think he should get roughly what Realmuto got his previous contract. I think 22M is a good gauge. Most of the best catchers in MLB right now are pre-arb or already signed extensions. Cal Raleigh signed his before that 60 HR season I believe. Will Smith, Baldwin, Dilliger... 

And to the second point, yes, of course. I argued you can trade him. I'm not saying you absolutely don't trade him. 

I'm saying you don't' NEED to. That the value you get back has to be disproportionate. Someone has to overpay if we're going to take the #3 hitter and starting catcher out of this lineup. Phillies want him? Sure, Painter and Wood. Or... probably just Painter if we're being realistic. And then go to Detroit and get Dilliger for a package. 

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On 10/21/2026 at 8:53 PM, endaround said:

2. Megill likely would only bring back a Cameron Crow type. 

I'm a big fan of Megill, and would be happy to keep him. But to counter your argument; Adding a veteran writer/director like Cameron Crowe to the roster adds something we don't currently have. In fact, no other team in baseball does either. How do you prepare for that as an opponent? It's completely uncharted ground. Yet another case of the Brewers finding a new edge. 

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On 10/21/2026 at 11:18 AM, long ball said:

I think this World Series run and hopefully a championship will change the way the Brewers act in the upcoming offseason. 
 

historically we’ve traded more guys than not who are entering their final year of team control. That’s Contreras, Vaughn, and Megill this year. 
 

we’d maybe look to move off of Mitchell since he finally had a healthy year and we have already committed to Lara with a long term deal. 
 

we’d maybe look to capitalize on Ortiz turning things around with the bat since Made is getting close to the big leagues. 
 

we’d maybe look to trade Ashby since he makes more money than we’ve traditionally paid relievers. 
 

we’d maybe look to sell high on DL Hall. 
 

we’d let Bauers leave in free agency. 

We certainly wouldn’t look to move on from all of these guys in one offseason but I think these are all guys we’d be talking about on the message boards here. 
 

we will have a lot of time to talk about this over the offseason, but I’ll chime in with my current thoughts which are subject to change once I really start looking at stuff and depending on if we win the World Series or not. 
 

I would ride out Contreras to free agency. I would not extend him. I appreciate what he’s done for the brewers, but I just don’t have any interest in paying for a catcher’s free agent years. 

I don't think we'd be looking to trade Ashby. I thought he had two years left... and as a result I was thinking the same thing, but he's just making ~7M next year. Then he jumps to 9 and 13M. That's when it begins to get a little more expensive. 

I still think trading Mitchell makes sense. Good year, healthy... I like Lara. I've also just never been as confident in Mitchell, so... my perception may be off there. 

DL Hall, he's just hitting his groove. I'd definitely keep him. 

Contreras is the obvious outlier. 4/70, I'd be for it. Replace the team option... which I think they'll turn down anyway and agree to a lower salary(which may be cheap, but... it's probably 2M they'll save). But go 15, 15, 20, 20. That'd be great. I can't imagine he'd take that. I think you'd need 2 more years on there at 20M in order to take what is probably a discounted deal. 

This game also comes for you and it can come pretty quick. Adolis Garcia looked like a superstar and the Rangers centerpiece for years to come... 3 years ago at this time. Now he's pretty mediocre. 


As for Megill... I think you could get a top 100 prospect and you have Cameron Wagoner who... has just nasty stuff. I'd love to see a year with Megill, Uribe, Megill, Ashby, Hall, Patrick and then Senzatela, I think he'd fit in Milwaukee so well, but he'll probably still get 8M or so. 

It'll be a LOT more fun to talk about when you WIN the last game of the year. 

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