Indians acquire LoftonÂ?Phillips comments on Brewer needs

[yogallardo43]

The Indians are finalizing a deal sending Kenny Lofton to them in exchange for catcher Max Ramirez.

 

Here is the link

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2007/07/cleveland_indians_on_the_verge.html

 

 

(added to thread title -1992)

[yogallardo43]

In addition to this, did anyone see what the Brewers needs were according to Steve Phillips on Tuesday night during the Cubs/Cards game. He said that our three main needs were a bullpen arm, leadership as well as a CF. Yes a CF.

[aracko]

I think Bill Hall might be okay in CF.

 

 

Once he gets his bat going, this team is going to be back to kicking butt and taking names.

[1992casey]

I think there's plenty of leadership. Anything for the bullpen is always nice. As far as CF, a righty who hits righties and also plays center would be really cool. I don't think you'd fill the whole order on that one, though.

[Invader3K]

Maybe he was basing that on when Hall was hurt?

[JoeHova]

Hmm, Kenny's 3rd stint in Cleveland. Seems like a good deal for Cleveland. Their corner outfielders have been terrible, so Kenny should help a lot. He'll probably get his first career experience in left field as a result of this trade.

 

An outfield line-up of:

 

Lofton/Sizemore/Gutierrez

 

should be pretty good offensively and defensively, and they still have Nixon, Michales and Dellucci on the bench to sub when needed.

 

Actually, they should probably get rid of either Nixon or Dellucci, as they are very similar players and both have been horrible this year. Maybe they could send Nixon back to Boston, Epstein got fleeced in a trade for one of his old players last year (Mirabelli), maybe they can make it happen again.

[yogallardo43]

Anyone else read the break down of the trade by that guy on the bottom.

[drezdn]

Maybe we need a CF because they're planning on moving Bill Hall into the #5 spot in the pitching rotation?

[ajgodson]

The fact that Phillips made these comments should be enough to stop any rational discussion.

[Rob]

according to this article leadership is an issue.

 

sportsillustrated.cnn.com...index.html

[valpocrewsader]

That SI article was impressively well done.

[jaybird2001wi]

Phillips says we need a centerfielder? Who is even out there for us to acquire? We have no realistic shot at Griffey and there is no one else available.

[Brian the Automator]

[ Phillips says we need a centerfielder? ]

 

Given his track record, you're better off doing the exact opposite of what Steve Phillips said.

[jwill535]

so now you would move Bill Hall out of center and put him into Left or Right or move him back to 2nd so that he would need 2-3 weeks to get use to that new posistion. Yeah that makes sense.

[GenBuckTurgidson]

While reading that SI article, was anyone else besides me thinking that Johnny should just shut his mouth and play better ball himself!?!? I don't know...maybe take a walk once in awhile...maybe throw a runner out once in awhile...maybe hustle a little more...you know, the things that LEADERS do.

 

He's complaining about the fan and media negativity in a market like Milwaukee for pete's sake! Then, he compares this market to Atlanta...last time I checked Atlanta could care less about the Braves no matter what their record is (just look at the attendance).

 

He should go play in NY or Boston if he wants to see what media scrutiny is.

 

I agree with him that this team needs leaders because he's clearly NOT one of them.

[JohnBriggs12]

Johnny Estrada says in Atlanta "they won 14 straight championships. We could lose 8 straight and you'd get the same response: No big deal".

 

Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, please. Everything involving all sports in Atlanta is "No big deal" It's the most blase town about sports in the country with the possible exception of that other place you played: Phoenix.

 

Milwaukee is not Atlanta. Milwaukee has passion for it's teams. What you're interpreting as panic is passion. Too bad you don't show a little yourself. Maybe fans wouldn't be all over you.

[trwi7]

Who is the poster on here that dispises Estrada? Is that brett? Well whoever it is they better not read that article.http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Invader3K]

Eh...I think Estrada has a point. The Brewers can't be worrying about the Cubs everyday...they have to worry about winning games themselves.

 

The Brewers are going to get hot again and string together a few wins. Everyone isn't going to continue to slump for the final eight weeks of the season. At some point, guys are going to get the bats going again.

[DrWood]

lofton would have been a great addition to the brewers if they could have gotten him for gwynn or something similar in value.

whether he plays CF or not, the brewers need someone that rakes vs. RH pitching.

vs: RH: Lofton, Jenkins, with Hall and Hart sharing a position.

vs. LH: Hall, Hart, Mench,

assuming none of those guys were lost in aquiring Lofton.

 

or you could give hall some time at 2b or SS (I know, they didn't want to do it, but this is a playoff race, gents).

 

Lofton could have gone right into the leadoff role.

 

BREWERS NEED SOMEONE THAT CAN HIT RH PITCHERS!

 

yes, I was screaming.

[Brian the Automator]

The Brewers team OPS is 6th in the NL against RHP... While I'm never happy with 6th place, I don't know it it's the team's Achilles heel...

[DrWood]

6th place wouldn't be bad if it didn't represent the majority of the games, and if their pitching wasn't middle of the road, too.

what do you think is more available:

an elite starting pitcher, or

a hitter that can excel vs. RH pitchers.

 

I think the latter.

[FVBrewerFan]

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lofton would have been a great addition to the brewers if they could have gotten him for gwynn

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Gwynn??? Apparently they could have got him for a single A catcher!

 

Let's see, arguably the biggest hole this team has is a lead-off hitter. Lofton is available, at still hitting over .300 at his age- not to mention he has post-season experience. And we can get him for almost nothing??

 

No, let's give up our top prospect and two others for another middle reliever. I must be the only one turning red about this.

[Brian the Automator]

[ Let's see, arguably the biggest hole this team has is a lead-off hitter. ]

 

Do you think he would have been a starter on our current club?

[DrWood]

it looked like a pretty good A+ catcher. would you have given up a pre-suspension Salome?

[brettac1]

Who is the poster on here that dispises Estrada? Is that brett? Well whoever it is they better not read that article.http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

 

I read it, and he's dead on. Players aren't worried nearly as much as the fans, nor should they be. It may be the first and last time I ever compliment Estrada, but a lot of us have been saying the same thing.