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  • It's Clear Who Craig Counsell Wants On the Bench in October


    Matthew Trueblood

    As the Brewers head into a packed schedule and a frenzied finish to the regular season, Craig Counsell has made it clear who he hopes will be on his bench come October. Whether he'll get his wish is out of everyone's hands.

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    Of the Brewers' first 113 games this season, Joey Wiemer played in 108. Sometimes, it was as a pinch-hitter, and sometimes, it was as a defensive replacement, but Wiemer played more often than not until early August. His defense covered most of the value shortfall created by his uneven offensive performance, and Craig Counsell hid him at the bottom of the lineup, anyway. It was working, albeit imperfectly. The Brewers were a first-place team.

    Around the start of August, though, a confluence of things upended Wiemer's firm footing in the lineup. Firstly, he fell into yet another offensive slump, and he hasn't yet come out of it. Secondly, the team called up Sal Frelick, who joined the outfield picture and immediately demonstrated a comfort with center field that made the toolsy but raw Wiemer look a bit less dazzling. Thirdly, Matt Arnold acquired Carlos Santana and Mark Canha, creating a slow squeeze on playing time at designated hitter and in both right and center field. 

    Since August 8, Wiemer has just 29 plate appearances, spread across 15 games. He's struck out nine times, walked three, and is batting .154/.241/.154. He's gotten few opportunities and made nothing of them. In his only attempt to steal a base, he was thrown out. Like Brian Anderson, he's rapidly becoming more of a technicality than an asset. Like Anderson, he's on the roster, but Counsell seems to have no use for him.

    A fourth shoe is preparing to drop on Wiemer, too, because both Blake Perkins and Garrett Mitchell are working their way back from injuries. Neither is in position to join the Brewers again imminently, and Mitchell is probably going to end up as nothing more than a pinch-runner at the tail end of the season. Still, the two make Wiemer marginally more redundant, and you can almost feel Counsell longing for the tactical weaponry that Mitchell could provide, or the steady defense and versatility Perkins gave him before straining his oblique last month.

    It's not controversial to say that both Perkins and Mitchell have crept past Wiemer in the esteem of Counsell, and perhaps of the front office, too. Because of the nature, scale, and timing of their injuries, though, neither is a sure thing to be available at any particular point. Thus, Wiemer keeps his roster spot for now, and has a pretty fair chance to retain one even through the end of the season. He could very well be on a playoff roster for the team, so they have to keep him ready. At this point, though, the coaching staff seems dedicated to the idea that he'll make that preparation outside the spotlight, the pressure, and the high stakes of the pennant race.

    The Brewers are lucky to have such good depth in the outfield, organizationally. That Mitchell could be sidelined for so long without the team hurting even worse than they did is a testament to their drafting and their player development. As tough as Wiemer's rookie year has been, he's shown flashes of several valuable skills, and if he can smooth the rough edges of his game both at bat and in the field, he can still fit in as the fourth outfielder even on what figures to be a loaded outfield roster. Alternatively, he might make fine trade bait this winter.

    In the short term, however, Wiemer can do little more for the 2023 Brewers, if only because Counsell believes as much. At this stage, if either Perkins or Mitchell can get healthy, Wiemer is the guy whom it makes most sense to send back to Nashville, there to await any openings created by injury over the final few weeks. If Counsell won't use him and he doesn't have the confidence or the well-roundedness to force the manager's hand, Wiemer has no business on this roster. Some teams have found shorter rotations of position players with whom to work, and can afford to treat one or two spots at the end of the bench as spare parts. The Brewers aren't built that way, and they need greater utility out of every spot than Wiemer provides in the one he occupies right now. It's just that, unless and until they get a bit healthier, the team has nowhere to send their mullet-rocking rookie, and no better alternative to him.

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    Not sure how Perkins and Mitchell are ahead of Wiemer anywhere.  Perkins hits and defends worse than Wiemer. Mitchell has a serious injury that no one knows when he will fully be healthy.

    The answer here seems fairly simple.  The Brewers offense stunk.  To stop it from being so rancid, the Brewers traded for Canha and gave more playing time to a healthy Taylor ( the guy who is completely absent from the article) over Wiemer.  Now why they kept Wiemer up in August for little use is a different issue.

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    18 minutes ago, endaround said:

    Not sure how Perkins and Mitchell are ahead of Weimer anywhere.  Perkins hits and defends worse than Weimer. Mitchell has a serious injury that no one knows when he will fully be healthy.

    The answer here seems fairly simple.  The Brewers offense stunk.  To stop it from being so rancid, the Brewers traded for Canha and gave more playing time to a healthy Taylor ( the guy who is completely absent from the article) over Weimer.  Now why they kept Weimer up in August for little use is a different issue.

    Cubs fans who write Brewers articles are bound to miss a few things...lol

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    53 minutes ago, TURBO said:

    Cubs fans who write Brewers articles are bound to miss a few things...lol

    I think this a lazy argument.

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    For all the well deserved accolades that Counsell has received over the past years, it is a head scratcher how he has handled the playing time of several players this year. As this article attests Wiemer really hasn’t played very much since the end of July. It really doesn’t make much sense that he (and Arnold) hasn’t sent him to Nashville to get  him some much needed playing time. Goodness, he needs the playing time and some confidence to further his career. It’s really is a crime for him to languish on the bench not playing at all and get much needed experience.
    Other than this, his handling Anderson, batting Frelick and Adames clean up and some of the ways how he has used Payamps, Elvis, Chafin and Wilson lately has been perplexing and not consistent with how he had handled the bullpen earlier this year.

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    Wiemer still plays a great CF and is a useful bat against LHP so he has a role on this team and still an important one in my opinion. Can't say the same about Anderson, who is worthless to this team barring an injury to Monasterio and even with that Donaldson probably gets the nod.

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    If all he can do at the tail-end of this season is pinch run, I doubt you'll see Mitchell activated. And even if he's further along than that, his K rate in his brief time with Milwaukee has been embarrassingly high with very little ability to draw walks. If he develops down the road into someone who does more to utilize his speed he could very well shoot past Wiemer. But I think he'd be of little to no help this year.

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    Perkins injury is probably to blame, but keeping Wiemer on the ML roster to be a 5th OF is malpractice by they front office. They're losing a year of service.

     

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    1 minute ago, Robocaller said:

    Perkins injury is probably to blame, but keeping Wiemer on the ML roster to be a 5th OF is malpractice by they front office. They're losing a year of service.

    They can still get that year back going forward. Not like it only could happen this year. Based on how he hit this year, I would be shocked if he didn't spend some time in AAA next season.

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    I think keeping Weimer on the roster through the the start of August made sense. He was showing progress at the plate in June but then regressed at which point he should've been sent down in Aug. He's a great defender and excels around the bases. His only problem is getting on base, which makes him a great late inning option and I can see why CC doesn't want to give that up by sending him to Nashville. And when your in a tight race for the division the team comes 1st and player development gets pushed to the side and I realize that idea can't work long term but injuries changes things

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    Wiemer has tremendous raw physical ability but his approach makes Carlos Gomez look disciplined.  He seems to be a slow learner in that regard.  He’s still as erratic as he was at the start of the year but it’s a worse situation because pitchers have a book on him and have figured out how to take advantage of how undisciplined he is.   Defense is superb but Mitch would be an upgrade on the playoff roster.  

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    19 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

    They can still get that year back going forward. Not like it only could happen this year. Based on how he hit this year, I would be shocked if he didn't spend some time in AAA next season.

    With Chourio, Frelick and Mitchell ahead of him, I could see him dealt at some point.  

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    On 9/8/2023 at 11:08 AM, Team Canada said:

    I think this a lazy argument.

    He walked about the Brewers OF depth and how Joey Wiemer has lost ABs...and then talked about evert option OTHER than the guy who had actually replaced Wiemers at bats.

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    13 minutes ago, Never Outhustled said:

    Wiemer will continue to start versus lefties, he's still an important part of the team. 

    Agreed, and I think he is capable of adjusting to MLB pitching.

    He got called up early because Taylor was hurt, and Luis Urias's injury forced Brian Anderson to play a lot of third, then stayed up because Garrett Mitchell was hurt.

    I think he'll be okay as a platoon OF/4th OF at worst, with Chourio on the way up. Makes it easier to move Yelich to 1B/DH in a thin system where Hiura's not likely to get another shot, and Ernesto Martinez could depart as a six-year minor-league free agent.

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    On 9/8/2023 at 10:15 AM, TURBO said:

    Cubs fans who write Brewers articles are bound to miss a few things...lol

    I’m sure you’d be more than welcome to write articles if it is such an issue for you that he’s a Cubs fan.

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    Many in this thread are promoting Chourio straight to the bigs next year. He has a 652 OPS in September after a 718 OPS August, in AA. I love him, but it would be ill advised to rush him up. He'd struggle much like Wiemer, though for different reasons. 

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    On 9/8/2023 at 11:16 PM, wiguy94 said:

    They can still get that year back going forward. Not like it only could happen this year. Based on how he hit this year, I would be shocked if he didn't spend some time in AAA next season.

    Maybe. They have control of the situation now. If he rakes in spring training, it will be hard to send him down.

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    12 hours ago, Chourio4040 said:

    He walked about the Brewers OF depth and how Joey Wiemer has lost ABs...and then talked about evert option OTHER than the guy who had actually replaced Wiemers at bats.

    Ok, but saying it's because he's a Cubs fan is lazy. Maybe one might try simply asking why the omission?

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