"we end up debating the merits of statistical noise and luck, which is garbage in my opinion. It's become a convenient excuse used when production doesn't come close to the approximation projected by whatever metric people are trying to use." Do you think "luck" or "statistical noise" or "variance" plays any part in the game at all? Are you completely deterministic? The projections are based upon regressing towards the mean with higher variance statistics and looking at past data, nothing more. "For 2 years now BABIP supporters have been riding the "he's just unlucky" card when if you watch the games it's pretty clear Manny left way too many pitches up and over the plate, and they were getting crushed." This is completely subjective and open to confirmation bias. Some pitchers get away with the high stuff, but when they do, you don't bat an eyelash. But if Manny gets hit, since you seem to have a bias against him, you make a mental note and remember it. If he gets away with it though, I bet you say he was lucky... "Instead of giving the hitters credit for doing exactly what they are supposed to do in crushing a meatball, excuses about luck are made to explain an extraordinarily high BABIP. If MLB hitters cannot turn on a mid thigh to waist high FB... when then they wouldn't be MLB hitters to begin with because everyone can hit that pitch, except maybe Ben Sheets." It doesn't matter how bad the pitch is, if your swing is literally a half an inch too high or too low, it's an easy out. That's precision that fails well with the bounds of human error. That's why you see pitchers get away with stuff all the time. Manny was absolutely giving better pitches to hit than he should have, so he likely deserves a higher BABIP, but his astronomical levels were simply too high to be sustained. That is, unless you think Manny Parra is the worst pitcher in the league. "This season he's been mostly working down in the zone with much better results. He still misses up and he still gets hit hard, but any pitcher that misses up is going to get hit hard." Once again, confirmation bias. I would love for you to bring me some pitch f/x data to back this up, not anecdotal evidence. His LD% is almost the same as last year (18.1% in 09 to 17.6% this year), his GB% is almost the same (48.1% to 49.3%). His LOB% is almost 10% better, and he's giving up slightly fewer home runs. His BABIP is still .362. He's performing almost EXACTLY the same as last year, except his ERA and his results are better. How else can you explain it except he's getting the better end of variance? "I don't believe he was unlucky for a season and a half and now he's suddenly lucky which is leading to better results. Basically, luck is garbage, the end. " His peripherals disagree with you. I know you're a smart guy, so I strongly suggest you take this in and really think about it. LOB%, HR/FB%, and BABIP are 3 stats that have a lot of variance. There are some guys who have the ability to supress BABIP and HR/FB%, and those guys are mostly heavy GB pitchers with good defense behind them (Webb and Jimenez come to mind). There are some guys, like Parra, who are worse with BABIP due to bad defense and bad pitching. That doesn't make him 2 standard deviations from the mean worse than everyone else in a high variance stat. Manny Parra is almost exactly the same pitcher as last year, and the results are better. If that's not luck (or whatever you want to call it), I don't know what is. Edit: Fixed some formatting and grammar.