I won't disagree with you about the lineup, and obviously it was our home-grown position players that drove the team's success from 2007 to now, but I did specify "Jack Z's poor drafting of pitching." Considering that Sheets and Gallardo were the only two starters that Jack drafted that stuck in the majors in ten drafts, I stand by my point. I was including Greinke and Marcum because both of those came using Jack Z draft picks. I'm not sure how much you can blame the current team on Jack Z any more, since his last draft was 7 years ago. Players from the last couple drafts are still around, but most of the earlier drafts would be FAs by now. And certainly, the entire minor league system now is on Seid. Though I will grant that 5 of the top 7 starters for the Brewers are now homegrown, largely thanks to Seid.