Except of course for last year, when we eventually went with a rotation of all young guys and competed. Last time I checked that wasn't for a full season. And we also had Marcum for part of that run. I'm talking about a full 6 months with a young rotation. It's highly unlikely. Not impossible, but not likely. You can bring up the A's from last year, but they also had a bullpen that performed. Right now our bullpen is looking weak too. That's also just one example. I'm sure they can all pitch to the level of a solid 4 or 5 starter, but I'm skeptical about them all holding up for a full season and pitching well enough to keep us competitive. The Cardinals and Reds are both better right now within the division alone.