McMahon is projected for something like a defense heavy 11 WAR over the next four seasons with $56M owed over that time, so I’d say he has slightly positive trade value.
Problem is he’s got a career best 101 wRC+ so far this year. Coming into the year he had an 89 wRC+ in 2,151 career PAs. Teams typically want more offense than that out of 3B no matter how good the glove is.
About that glove. Coors also inflates the defensive metrics of good infielders because the Rockies target ground ball pitchers and Coors has more balls in play that any other stadium.
McMahon is at something like +15 DRS | +10 OAA per full season since 2020. If teams think he is more of a +5-10 fielder than a +10-15 fielder that shaves two to four wins of that 11 WAR four year projection too.
Moore definitely has the edge as far as age relative to league, but average age is 1.5 years older between the Southern & Midwest leagues and Zamora missed some time as a 2020 draftee and then with injury after only 24 G last year so that eats into some of the raw age difference.
I guess for me if two guys are around the same FV tier, and neither is an offensive juggernaut, give me the AA SS over the A+ 2B.
Winker still had a 108 wRC+ in 2022, they aren’t projecting him back to the 140 plus wRC+ marks he posted from 2020-21.
As for the service time and salary, the front office appears to care otherwise there is no other reason for him to still be on the roster.
At this point it is what it is, I’ll hope they make a move before the deadline while understanding the reasoning behind why they likely won’t.
The one guy on the list I’m not seeing it for is Robert Moore.
Not incredibly young for his level (-1.2 years), bad SB vs CS (14 to 10), only a 105 wRC+. Probably more of a 2B than SS. Guess the plate discipline is okay at 10.3 BB% to 16.8 K%?
I had Zamora over him because even with his struggles he’s still more viable at SS, and also performing better (113 wRC+, 13 SB vs 3 CS) at a higher level.
Also had Dylan O’Rae and Filippo Di Turi over Moore at the end of the list because even with their limitations and higher volatility as guys still in complex ball there is at least a little more to dream on there.
You are conflating external evaluations with fan opinion. Of course fans were upset to lose Kelly, he is a talented arm with potential they'd been following for years through the minors.
But there is a big difference between being a relief prospect who gets traded because his 40 man deadline is coming up and the team doesn't think he is worth the spot yet (Kelly's situation) and a CF prospect who has been ranked among the very best prospects in the game (Chourio's situation).
Renfroe is getting paid 12 million (through arbitration, not as a free agent) because he has put up 2.4 WAR and 2.7 WAR the last two full seasons. That's the type of production the Angels were hoping to trade for.
Joc Pederson got 19 million on the QO because he posted a 145 OPS+ last year. The Giants were paying for something hopefully closer to that than 114 OPS+ he has delivered so far this year.
Why didn't you mention Kevin Kiermaier (2.9 WAR for $9M) or Jeimer Candelario (2.9 WAR for $5M) on the other end of the spectrum who both actually signed one year FA deals?
No, just old fashioned ones. 5.080 service time and $8.25M salary.
If you consider projections advanced stats, Winker is projected between 105-112 wRC+ rest of season vs a 98 wRC+ projection on Hiura's page.
Urias has a 60 wRC+ in Nashville currently to go along with projections between 95-103 wRC+.
DSL Brewers 1 couldn't get it done though falling 3-2 to the Braves.
Yannic Walther (1-2, 2B, 2xBB) and Luiyin Alastre (1-2, HR, BB) had the box highlights on offense while Eric Prado went 4 IP | 1 ER | 2 H | 1 BB | 2 K to raise his season ERA to 1.04 while Jose Meneses followed with 3 IP | 0 ER | 1 H | 4 BB | 3 K to drop his season ERA to 1.82.
DSL Brewers 2 win 7-2 over the Guardians with Filippo Di Turi (2-4, 2B, 3B), Demetrio Nadal (1-2, HR, BB, SB, SF) and Freider Rojas (1-1, 2xBB) leading the offense.
Best outing of the year for Melvin Hernandez at 5 IP | 0 ER | 4 H | 1 BB | 6 K.
This is pretty much where I'm at.
My only real hope for the season is for Love to make it through mostly unscathed.
Beyond that I'm just excited to see something "new", whatever that may be,
Offense has been coming around a little lately...
First 19 Games (14-5): 103 wRC+
Next 49 Games (20-29): 79 wRC+
Last 29 Games (20-9): 92 wRC+
That 92 wRC+ doesn't include today's game, but it does go to show with even something resembling an average offense like we had to start the year and have been getting closer to approximating over the last month of so this is a very dangerous team.
They're already on a pretty absurd run, 20-9 since the six game losing streak middle of June.
I guess it could have maybe been a game or two more absurd-er, sure, but it's the most wins in MLB over that stretch already.
I don’t think their identity this year is that far off from other Brewers teams during the competitive Stearns era…
Starting Pitchers
2017-22: 75.4 rWAR (5th)
2023: 7.6 rWAR (12th)
Bullpen
2017-22: +24.12 WPA (6th)
2023: +6.68 WPA (1st)
Defense
2017-22: +189 DRS (4th)
2023: +31 DRS (3rd)
Position Players
2017-22: 101 wRC+ (14th)
2023: 88 wRC+ (25th)
Defense right where it normally is, bullpen even more dominant than usual, SP down a bit but still viable even with Woodruff, Peralta and Lauer all hurt or underperforming.
Obviously the offense has stunk it up, but the good news is it hasn’t cost us 1st place yet. Context free batting runs has it costing them about five wins (-53.9), while WPA thinks it’s more like a couple two tree (-2.69).
2021 Starters
Burnes (6.3 rWAR) Woodruff (6.3 rWAR) Peralta (4.5 rWAR) Lauer (2.8 rWAR) Houser (2.5 rWAR)
2022 Starters
Burnes (5.3 rWAR) Woodruff (3.9 rWAR) Peralta (2.0 rWAR) Lauer (2.6 rWAR) Houser (-0.4 rWAR)
It truly was a once in a generation starting pitching staff, because they dropped off from 22.4 rWAR in 2021 down to 13.4 rWAR in 2022.
Those nine lost wins were a much bigger blow to the Brewers playoff hopes than trading Hader, who had been blowing up for two months before the deadline and didn’t find it again for another month after.
Looks like @Jim French Stepstool and @Playing Catch joined you putting him at the end of the top ten and there were a couple elevens too.
The plate discipline (63 BB vs 71 K in 322 career PA) and wheels (33 SB vs 8 CS career) are shades of Tyler Black in a larger body.
Obviously still young for his league and the 142 wRC+ is excellent, but the thing holding him back for me personally are the inconsistent batted ball results this year.
I ended up putting him at #18, but I’ve got everyone from #12 onward in pretty much the same tier so I can see the case for having him higher.
Jackson ChourioJacob MisiorowskiJeferson QueroTyler BlackSal FrelickRobert GasserCarlos F RodriguezAbner UribeLuis LaraBrock WilkenEric Brown JrDaniel GuilarteYophery RodriguezJosh KnothJustin JarvisLogan HendersonFreddy ZamoraLuke AdamsDylan O'RaeFilippo Di Turi