BruisedCrew

Burnes is getting hit hard.

I don’t think there’s a set minimum for the COVID IL. It depends on the situation and protocols that may vary based on the player’s vaccination status, whether he tested positive, just showed symptoms, or was exposed to an infected person. I’ve seen players return in a couple of days and some, like McCutchen, be out a couple of weeks.

This is an excellent summary, though I would question the use of the word “haters”. Maybe something like “critics” would be more appropriate. I think most of the critics on this board are much better described as “fanatics” than “haters”. On the subject of the Brewers beating up on bad teams, that first came up after they started 18-8 with a high percentage of their games against the Pirates, Cubs, Orioles, and Reds, who left Milwaukee on May 5 with a record of 3-22. The consensus at the time seemed to be that the Pirates, Cubs, and Reds might be the 3 worst teams in the NL, not just the division. I remember pointing out after that Reds series that the schedule was going to get much tougher through the end of June as the Brewers played many more playoff contending teams, and had three, 3 city road trips. I think pointing that out wasn’t being a “hater”, but just taking an objective look at the schedule. The Brewers performance since May 5 reflects that tougher schedule. On May 5 the Brewers had a record of 18-8 with 128 runs scored and 87 allowed. Since then they have gone 15-12 with 115 runs scored and 117 allowed. Their almost uncanny ability to win close, low scoring games has allowed them to maintain a winning pace. I recognize the rush of injuries the Brewers have had the last couple of weeks, but I don’t think they have had a significant effect on the won-loss record YET. I note that on their first road trip after May 5 they dropped 5 of 8 against the Braves, Reds, and Marlins before Adames was injured. The Braves and Marlins illustrate that using “teams under .500” to identify weak teams can be misleading. Those teams are all under .500 but I consider the Braves and Marlins (largely because of some strong pitchers) to be more competitive than some other teams. Even the Reds, after their horrific start, have gone 15-10 since May 5, a slightly better record than the Brewers. Sometimes it isn’t what teams you have played, but when you played them. The Braves with Acuna seem to be more formidable than without him. Anyway, to me the best news for the Brewers now is that the absolutely worst part of their schedule for the season is behind them, and they survived it in pretty good fashion. They have completed 2 of the 3 3 city road trips, including the worst of the bunch, the latest trip which featured 11 games in 10 days. The other 2 trips are/were 9 games in 10 days, which puts a lot less stress on the team and the pitching staff, even a staff without injuries and other personal absences. So, while the June schedule is still more difficult than the first 26 games of the season, it has many more home games and includes 3 off days and (as of now) no doubleheaders. I mentioned that I don’t think the injuries have hurt the W-L record much, if at all, YET, because the fill-ins have generally done the job (like Williams as closer, Peterson delivering some big hits, and Taylor getting hot when given regular playing time). I am skeptical that this is sustainable for too long, so hopefully Adames, Renfroe, Woodruff, and Narvaez can all be back soon. On the subject of the two losses to the Cubs, I see both overreactions and overreactions to the overreactions. It is only natural for many baseball fans to get emotionally wrapped up in the game every day and react in the moment. As the daily results (good and bad) sink in the games quickly get blended in with the bigger picture. When people have an overreaction to the latest game or string of games, it might be better to let them wail than to try to convince them that they shouldn’t react the way they do. So, maybe at the end of the day the advice in the title would be good to remember. Whether you choose to call them (or me) “haters”, “critics”, “cynics”, “skeptics”, or whatever, try ignoring them. Just my two cents.

This is an excellent summary, though I would question the use of the word “haters”. Maybe something like “critics” would be more appropriate. I think most of the critics on this board are much better described as “fanatics” than “haters”. On the subject of the Brewers beating up on bad teams, that first came up after they started 18-8 with a high percentage of their games against the Pirates, Cubs, Orioles, and Reds, who left Milwaukee on May 5 with a record of 3-22. The consensus at the time seemed to be that the Pirates, Cubs, and Reds might be the 3 worst teams in the NL, not just the division. I remember pointing out after that Reds series that the schedule was going to get much tougher through the end of June as the Brewers played many more playoff contending teams, and had three, 3 city road trips. I think pointing that out wasn’t being a “hater”, but just taking an objective look at the schedule. The Brewers performance since May 5 reflects that tougher schedule. On May 5 the Brewers had a record of 18-8 with 128 runs scored and 87 allowed. Since then they have gone 15-12 with 115 runs scored and 117 allowed. Their almost uncanny ability to win close, low scoring games has allowed them to maintain a winning pace. I recognize the rush of injuries the Brewers have had the last couple of weeks, but I don’t think they have had a significant effect on the won-loss record YET. I note that on their first road trip after May 5 they dropped 5 of 8 against the Braves, Reds, and Marlins before Adames was injured. The Braves and Marlins illustrate that using “teams under .500” to identify weak teams can be misleading. Those teams are all under .500 but I consider the Braves and Marlins (largely because of some strong pitchers) to be more competitive than some other teams. Even the Reds, after their horrific start, have gone 15-10 since May 5, a slightly better record than the Brewers. Sometimes it isn’t what teams you have played, but when you played them. The Braves with Acuna seem to be more formidable than without him. Anyway, to me the best news for the Brewers now is that the absolutely worst part of their schedule for the season is behind them, and they survived it in pretty good fashion. They have completed 2 of the 3 3 city road trips, including the worst of the bunch, the latest trip which featured 11 games in 10 days. The other 2 trips are/were 9 games in 10 days, which puts a lot less stress on the team and the pitching staff, even a staff without injuries and other personal absences. So, while the June schedule is still more difficult than the first 26 games of the season, it has many more home games and includes 3 off days and (as of now) no doubleheaders. I mentioned that I don’t think the injuries have hurt the W-L record much, if at all, YET, because the fill-ins have generally done the job (like Williams as closer, Peterson delivering some big hits, and Taylor getting hot when given regular playing time). I am skeptical that this is sustainable for too long, so hopefully Adames, Renfroe, Woodruff, and Narvaez can all be back soon. On the subject of the two losses to the Cubs, I see both overreactions and overreactions to the overreactions. It is only natural for many baseball fans to get emotionally wrapped up in the game every day and react in the moment. As the daily results (good and bad) sink in the games quickly get blended in with the bigger picture. When people have an overreaction to the latest game or string of games, it might be better to let them wail than to try to convince them that they shouldn’t react the way they do. So, maybe at the end of the day the advice in the title would be good to remember. Whether you choose to call them (or me) “haters”, “critics”, “cynics”, “skeptics”, or whatever, try ignoring them. Just my two cents.

As someone who lived through those years, and all of the rest of Brewers history, the answer is pretty simple. A terrible team leads to no expectations and no aggravation. When expectations are higher, every game becomes more important in the broader context of reaching the playoffs and having a reasonable chance to advance in them. So, the team is subjected to closer scrutiny and a higher standard of performance. This year just winning the division isn’t the only thing to focus on. There is the additional goal is having one of the top two division winning records to avoid the “wild card” round of playoffs. Internet message boards for teams like the Brewers had from 1993-2004 would have been pretty quiet because not many people cared enough about the Brewers to complain about them.

As someone who lived through those years, and all of the rest of Brewers history, the answer is pretty simple. A terrible team leads to no expectations and no aggravation. When expectations are higher, every game becomes more important in the broader context of reaching the playoffs and having a reasonable chance to advance in them. So, the team is subjected to closer scrutiny and a higher standard of performance. This year just winning the division isn’t the only thing to focus on. There is the additional goal is having one of the top two division winning records to avoid the “wild card” round of playoffs. Internet message boards for teams like the Brewers had from 1993-2004 would have been pretty quiet because not many people cared enough about the Brewers to complain about them.

Sorry that I questioned that Renfroe would have caught Hosmer’s drive to the gap. I’m done clogging up the thread.

Yeah, that’s exactly what I said.

Where is the contradiction? And what’s with the “dude” crap?

I’m not trying to mess with you. I’m just calling out things you say that I disagree with, which is what you do with regularity with many posters on this board.

I typed that before that Suter threw a pitch. It seems like he’s giving up multiple runs every time he appears these days. And today is no exception.

All of the things you stated may be true but still don’t lead to the conclusion that Renfroe WOULD have caught that ball. It was a hard hit ball, not that high, that landed on the warning track You seem to have all of this data available. What was the expected BA on that ball?

Suter may be just the tonic the Padres need for their ailing offense.

I guess you have to be happy that they managed one run with bases loaded, nobody out, and the top of the order being up.

That certainly looked like a DP off the bat.

Bases loaded nobody out and McCutchen up. Double or triple play? At least hit the ball up the middle and past the pitcher so a run can score on the DP.

Maybe, maybe not. Last game we were at he completely misjudged a ball with two outs and allowed a run to score. The Brewers have injuries (as do a lot of teams) but let’s not turn the guys who are not playing into super heroes.

Nice smooth play by Wong and good hustle by Machado. ?

I was a little cringey too.

Watching Yelich hit every day, and not being an avid follower of some of the new metrics, I would raise the question of whether Yelich is an example of a flaw in the metrics. If that is based on exit velocity and launch angle, but doesn’t take into account how the defense is positioned, IMHO it is flawed. Between the strikeouts and balls hit sharply but right into the ground toward the loaded right side of the infield, I’m not seeing that many times Yelich is being robbed relative to the easy outs. If defenses were positioned like they were until recent years when the extreme shifting became common, Yelich would have a lot more ground ball singles. But with todays defenses he’s playing right into their hands.

But how often would they play after Adames and Renfroe come back? Why bring up prospects to have them play once or twice a week.

You already said that. Letting games get away like that never feels like a success.

I would be tempted to bat Yelich first. If he gets on base you have your best base runner on.

I could call it more acceptable than successful.

Not like Wong got the run in from third anyway. I am not a big fan of bunting but having Cain try to push one to the right side there would have made sense.