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I like the creativity here, but I'm guessing that one of the Padres or the Giants would say "no" to this deal pretty quickly. According the trade simulator - the Brewers would be cleaning up with a deal like this. Also, I'm not sure if the Padres would be willing to give up their current big league SS and their future SS in the same deal here? Yes, maybe they would like to get out from under the big Bogaerts contract (not sure if they are/aren't?), but if they are - then I'd have to think Merrill would be off-limits for them in any type of a trade. Instead, I think we'd have to try to get a package of Snelling, Thorpe and Bergert.....and that's obviously not nearly as attractive as having Merrill coming back in the deal.
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Burnes to Yankees best deals
Madhawk23 replied to Scooterfletcher's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
I’ll defer to others here that might know more about these NY prospects, but this feels like more of a quantity package coming back instead of quality. Arias could turn into a stud in 2-3 years, but right now he’s a lotto ticket. Not real sure what the upside is on the three arms? Back of rotation guys?? -
Will Phillies get desperate?
Madhawk23 replied to Madhawk23's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
Yeah, the trade simulator definitely had my initial trade package working out just fine for both teams. In fact, it actually had the Phillies getting more value. Obviously, that's just due to the fact that it's not assigning a high value to Miller yet, since he was a HS kid just drafted this past summer. Guessing the Phils wouldn't want to give up two of their top 3-4 prospects in a deal, but I think they'd have to do that if they wanted to get both Burnes and Williams. Would definitely help them match up better against the mighty Dodgers over the next year or two. -
With the Dodgers going BIG this winter, will there be any desperation on the Phillies part to try to match them to a certain extent? They’ve got to be really hungry for a championship, no? Could we entice them with a Burnes and Williams offer? Would an Abel, Aiden Miller, McGarry and Kerkering package get it done on both sides? Or, does one side say no to that deal? Would Arnold want Painter instead of Abel?
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Burnes to Yankees best deals
Madhawk23 replied to Scooterfletcher's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
I’m not sure I’d call it “love?” But if we’re doing a deal with the Yankees, I think he’s got to be a 2nd or hopefully 3rd piece coming back, as we’d need to fill Burnes spot in the rotation with a MLB ready arm. Again, the Yanks would not be my first choice for a Burnes trade partner. May not even be my 2nd or third choice either. -
Orioles attempt at burnes
Madhawk23 replied to Scooterfletcher's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
I’m with you 100% on this. It just makes WAY too much sense. O’s have an abundance of prospects at positions of need for us and I don’t think they’ll have room for all of these guys on their MLB club. Give us Mayo, Hall and one of Westburg/Ortiz/Norby for Burnes and Williams….and let’s get this done already! -
Burnes to Yankees best deals
Madhawk23 replied to Scooterfletcher's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
I’m just not sure if I’m in love with the Yankees farm system enough to trade them both Burnes AND Williams? If I’m Arnold, I think I’d need a major haul from them to even consider trading both of them. I’m talking Schmidt, Hampton, Warren and Arias. I might even force them to throw in Lilane to get the deal across the finish line? -
Burnes to Yankees best deals
Madhawk23 replied to Scooterfletcher's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
Good to know. Thanks for the insight, as I’m not overly educated on the tools and upside of the Yankee prospects. I have heard that Arias has big time potential down the road. -
Burnes to Yankees best deals
Madhawk23 replied to Scooterfletcher's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
Honestly though - if Dominguez is off limits in any deal with the Yankees, I think the Brewers would have to demand that Schmidt is in the deal, right? I'm only looking at the stats, but it appears that Peraza really struggled in his first real MLB action this past season. Anyone know if some of that is fixable? Would you still want him coming over in a deal for Burnes? How about Schmidt, Arias and Warren for Burnes? -
I get what you’re saying. But, his whole point was that the Dodgers are clearly going all-in, so why not put the explanation point on it with a deal for both Burnes and Adames. It’s going to cost a team quite a bit to lure both of those guys from us. Busch is blocked in LA and Lux is coming back from injury. He didn’t mention Sheehan by name, but would the Dodgers really need him if they now were getting Burnes? Also….he talked about the depth of the LA system. Said that the guy they’ve got ranked 18th on their team prospect list would be ranked #1 on the Royals team list and maybe a few other team lists. Thats crazy! Point being though….they’ve got so much prospect depth that they can easily do a deal like this and they’ll just replenish these guys with the next wave of prospects coming up in their system.
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Anyone listen to the most recent Baseball America pod about the Dodgers? I think it was Ben Badler who mentioned that the Dodgers shouldn’t be done making moves, and suggested that they now trade for Burnes and Adames. He then stated that the Brewers should ask for Busch, Lux and any pitching prospect that they wanted in the system. He seemed to imply that we might be able to ask for one more in the deal too. With that in mind, how about Sheehan, Busch, Lux and Ryan for Burnes and Adames? I think I’d do this deal in a heartbeat! Also…he raved about Busch. Said we could play him at 1B and he’d instantly be one of the top 3-4 bats in our lineup, and would be a top 15 player at that position in MLB from the jump.
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Also, I know we could all probably argue with the complete legitimacy of the MLB Trade Simulator site, but when you enter each of these three trade scenarios into their program, it has Friedman murdering Arnold in all three. Take that FWIW, but just wanted to add that to the discussion here.
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I agree with what others have already said. If this is the very best that the Brewers can do in a deal for Burnes, then we might as well hold onto him. I know that he's a 1-year rental, but he is a TOR arm, and I've got to figure there's a team (whether it's LA or someone else) that would hopefully give up more than what any of these three packages include for Burnes.
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Yeah, MLB really needs to do something to make the offseason more exciting. Waiting around weeks/months for these big FA's to sign every year (which of course also slows down the trade market) is an awful experience for fans and overall excitement in the game. There has to be some way for them to fix this, right?
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I could certainly get behind a deal like this. I just wish we then had a better option at SS with Adames leaving. I would probably more prefer a Burnes/Adames to LA deal for Lux, either Frasso or Stone, Ryan, Martin and Wrobleski deal. Or, if you could get the Dodgers to give up Sheehan in the deal, maybe you could swing a Lux, Sheehan, Ryan and Wrobleski type package? I think a deal like this would be better for both sides, as the Brewers could then two MLB ready guys to fill in for Burnes and Adames this year in Sheehan and Lux.
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Do we think Jack Leiter is a complete "bust" at this point, or are there some things with his repertoire/mechanics that we might be able to fix in the pitching lab? IF our FO thought there was still potential in Leiter, then I wouldn't hate a Leiter, Porter, Foscue and Ortiz package coming back for Burnes. I'd worry though that this might be more of quantity over quality deal for the Brewers. Leiter is a huge wildcard, Porter is still a few years away probably from getting to the big leagues (but with big upside), Foscue on paper sounds a lot like Tyler Black, and while Ortiz's power is enticing - he's a guy that is only going to be good as either a 1B or at DH. The Rangers might also scoff and the idea of giving up four of their top prospects in exchange for a SP with only one year left before FA.
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Yeah, I agree with you. While I would love to get Harrison and Luciano back in a deal for Burnes and Adames - I think the Giants would have to be able to sign a big contract extension with Burnes, and I severely doubt that happens - as I'm sure Corbin wants to hit the open market next winter before making a decision on his long term future.
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Giants May Be Interested In Willy Adames
Madhawk23 replied to wildcat2237's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
If we held onto Adames, would he net us a Comp pick directly after the first round? Part of my issue with trading Adames is that I don't know if he's going to bring us back enough in value by himself in a trade, that would make it worth giving up the comp pick after next season? I almost feel like he might be more valuable in a trade package with Burnes, that might then up the package coming back in return from another team? -
I'm assuming that there is very little chance that the Red Sox would include Brayan Bello in a deal, right? And, even if they did - I'm guessing it would have to be a close to a 1 for 1 type deal, and I don't love that for the Brewers either. Marcelo Mayer I'd obviously put in that same boat with Bello. Doubtful that we could get him in a Burnes deal. I also don't love the fact that he struggled so mightily when he got bumped up to AA this past season. I know it's a small sample size, but that's at least somewhat concerning to me. I'm not in love with this return package, but if Arnold and Co. thought that Rafaela could be a starting SS in the big leagues, maybe you could trade Burnes to the Sox for Ceddane Rafaela, Kutter Crawford and Yoeilin Cespedes (as more of a lotto ticket). For the record, I don't love this package though, and I guess I'd hope that we could maybe get something better from another team.
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I just don't think we can take an OF back as the centerpiece of any Burnes trade? Ideally, the centerpiece would be a SP. Unless of course we are dealing with the O's - in which case I would want 1B/3B Mayo coming back as the main piece. But, we've already got too many OF's at the upper levels of our organization, and we need to capitalize on this Burnes trade to bring back 1-2 really good pieces at positions of need.
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. But, since we have nothing else to talk about with Brewers Hot Stove right now - what would it take in terms of prospects from the Red Sox to get a deal done? I think we've hashed out several O's scenarios in various threads here, but not sure how much we've talked about the Red Sox and what a realistic package would look like?

