Madhawk23

At some point though, don't you have to use some of that prospect capital to make your big league team better? They don't have enough positions to play all of these hitting prospects, and most of them are guys that are knocking on the MLB door.

You very well could be right about the SP. But, let's remember that we made it all the way to a game 7 in '18 with Chacin as our #1 starter that year. Yes, I know we had a lights out pen that year as well with Hader going multiple innings every few days, but it's still remarkable to think how far we made it that season with very mediocre starting rotation. It's also pretty depressing to think how little postseason success we had over the past 3-4 seasons with guys like Burnes, Woody and Freddy at the top of our rotation!

Fair enough. To me though - this really doesn't represent a full-on rebuild. In fact, I think the roster that I laid out above could be somewhat competitive as early as next year. Maybe it's not quite a playoff team in '24, but I could see that roster at least being in the mix heading into August/September. But, in '25 and beyond I could see that roster being a perennial playoff contender - assuming that we "hit" on a number of our own prospects along with the prospects we'd pick up in this trades. Obviously, there is always risk involved with prospects, but it's really the only way a small market franchise like Milwaukee has to build a consistent winner, so you have to hope that your evaluations of these kids are correct more often than they're not.

With the very exciting news regarding the long term deal for Chourio this week, I'm now 100% on board with this franchise hitting the "reset" button and going with more of a youth movement - with the goal of becoming a pennant contending team in '25 and beyond. I know this plan might seem crazy to some here, but I really think the following moves would make us a contending team for many years to come and give us plenty of "bites at the apple" in upcoming years. Here are my suggestions: Trade Burnes for the best offer you can get on the market this winter. Some teams that might be interested and potential packages: Dodgers - Ryan Pepiot and Nick Frasso Or, go BIG here and include both Burnes and Adames in a deal to LA for Michael Busch, Frasso, Gavin Stone and River Ryan O's - Coby Mayo and Cade Povich Or, go BIG here and include both Burnes and Devin in a deal to the O's for Mayo, Joey Ortiz and either Povich OR DL Hall Braves - AJ Smith-Shawver and Hurston Waldrep Giants - Carson Whisenhunt, Rayner Arias, Reggie Crawford and Mason Black Jays - Alex Manoah (assuming we think we can fix his issues from last season) and Orelvis Martinez D-backs - Brandon Pfaadt and Yu-Min Lin Mets - David Peterson, Ronny Mauricio and Colin Houck Phillies - Mick Abel, Griff McGarry and Orion Kerkering Rangers - Jack Leiter (only if we feel strongly that we can fix him), Brock Porter, Kumar Rocker and Owen White Yankees - Chase Hampton, Drew Thorpe and Roderick Arias Trade Adames (if you can't do the above deal to LA for Burnes and Adames): Giants - Whisenhunt and Black (if you don't get them in a Burnes deal) Red Sox - Ceddane Rafaela and Wikelman Gonzalez Jays - Orelvis Martinez and Brandon Barriera Devin's trade value will never be higher than it is right now, and with the emergence of Abner Uribe - now is the time to trade him: Phillies - Griff McGarry, Orion Kerkering and Aidan Miller Padres - Jairo Iriarte, Adam Mazur and Jakob Marsee O's - Joey Ortiz, Cade Povich and Mac Horvath This one might sting more than the others, but I would also take advantage of his full trade value and deal Freddy this winter: O's - if they don't like the idea of trading for just one year of Burnes, offer them Freddy for - Mayo, Povich and Connor Norby. Or, go BIG here and include both Freddy and Devin in a deal to the O's for Mayo, Ortiz, Povich and DL Hall Dodgers - if they don't want one year of Burnes, offer up Freddy for - Gavin Lux, Gavin Stone, Nick Frasso and Joendry Vargas Or, go BIG here and include both Freddy and Willy in a deal with LA for Lux, Stone, Frasso, Vargas and Michael Busch If we traded these 4 studs above, it would open up quite a bit of payroll for next season, so we could then be somewhat active in the F/A market to patch some holes. Here are the signings I'd try to make: Rhys Hoskins - if the market doesn't open up for him coming off the injury, maybe we can sign him on a "prove it" one-year deal for around 18-20 Million? Frankie Montas - again, if market doesn't open up for him coming off of injury, maybe we can sign him on a "prove it" one-year deal for around 10-12 Million? Wade Miley - 1 year, 5 Million Obviously, there are a lot of potential 2024 roster scenarios depending on which potential trade packages would get accepted from above, but just for fun - let's say that Arnold and co. were to pull off two of the big "blockbusters" from above: Burnes and Adames to the Dodgers and Freddy and Devin to the O's. In this scenario, here is what our roster could look like next year: C: Contreras (would need to find a backup C on the cheap) 1B: Hoskins, Black 2B: Busch, Turang SS: Ortiz, Turang 3B: Mayo, Black OF: some combination each game of Yeli, Chourio, Frelick, Mitchell, Wiemer, Taylor DH: Yeli, Hoskins, Black, etc. SP: Montas, Houser, Miley, Ashby?, Rea, Hall, Povich, Frasso, Stone, River, Gasser, C. Rodriguez RP: Uriber (closer), Payamps, Peguero, Wilson, Milner, Misiorowski (at some point next year - and then maybe we still try to make him into a SP in '25 and beyond?) Starting pitching is obviously the biggest question mark in that "fantasy" roster above, but.....damn that would be a fun team to watch develop over the next few years! And, let's not forget that we have other intriguing prospects that would potentially be joining this group in the next 2-3 years, like: Quero (either we use him as a trade piece or it allows us to trade Contreras in the next couple of years if we can't extend him?) Wilken (replaces Hoskins?), Lara, Pratt, Bitonti, Knoth, Boeve, Henderson, etc. I know it would absolutely suck to see the quartet of Burnes, Adames, Devin and Freddy leave this winter - but let's face it: we're going to lose them all eventually in the next couple of years. So, let's maximize their value and trade them all this winter. Feel free to pick apart my fantasy scenario here. I appreciate the feedback - both positive or negative.

Wondering same thing. Please don’t be serious!!

Forgot about Megill. Yeah, if he has options left while Mejia does not - then I'm sure he'll be the one sent back down.

The good news is - I'm guessing Mejia won't be on the roster once Wilson is officially activated for this weekend. So, hopefully we've seen the last of him (at least for awhile). Or, do people think that Wilson is going to replace someone else on the pitching staff?

Curious to know what the strategy is here - taking all of these HS guys in the later rounds? Does our FO think that they can sign a few of these guys? Otherwise, I'm not sure why you would take so many HS guys in rounds 10-20. Or, are we just OK if they end up sticking with their college commitments and we lose out on the picks?

Sorry in advance if there is another thread on this topic, but can anyone provide some names for some of the guys we should keep an eye on this summer - both in the DSL and the ACL? Taking a quick look at the MLB Pipeline Top 30 prospects list, I see some of the more obvious names: Dylan O'Rae Yophrey Rodriguez Kevin Ereu Filippo Di Turi But, are there some other names that we should keep an eye on besides these guys in our Top 30?

Anyone see that article on MLB.com this morning regarding trades that "should" happen that probably never will? It had a trade suggestion of Rafael Devers going to Milwaukee in exchange for Urias, Wiemer, Russell Smith and Taylor Floyd. What does everyone think about this package going back to the Red Sox? Personally, I think the Sox would want more for Devers. I'm guessing that it might take something like: Urias, Wiemer, Kelly and Floyd. Of course, I'm also not sure how much teams may have decreased their value on Wiemer with his recent struggles? Either way though - I think I'd pull the trigger on this type of a deal in a heartbeat if I were Stearns. Can you imagine putting Devers bat in the middle of our lineup. Giddy up!

Yes....this too. With all of the momentum that the O's have right now, I doubt they are going to give up a key player that they control for multiple years.

Trading for Mullins would be extremely costly. You might as well start with Frelick and Wiemer in the deal, and I'm guessing they'd ask for Kelly as well. If they throw Lopez into the deal, then we'd probably have to counter with Valerio in our package going back. That's a ton to give up for a guy like Mullins. Personally, I don't think it would be worth it.

Thanks for researching all of this. I always wonder who are some of the lesser heralded guys in those DSL box scores that I should be monitoring, so this is very helpful.

OK, well - when you put it this way, maybe he would be a better fit than I'm giving him credit for. Ha! We do need a big bat in the middle of our lineup, so he could be that guy. Would you do Hiura/Valerio? I think that's in the range of what it would take to get him.

OK, well - when you put it this way, maybe he would be a better fit than I'm giving him credit for. Ha! We do need a big bat in the middle of our lineup, so he could be that guy. Would you do Hiura/Valerio? I think that's in the range of what it would take to get him.

Yeah, I just don't see how Bell fits in with this current roster and our needs? Do we need offensive help? Yes, I think we can all agree with that. But, I'm just not sure how we get all of our 1B/DH guys enough AB's with an addition of Bell? Also, I'm guessing it would probably take a package of Hiura and Valerio to get him. Is that worth a couple of months of Bell? Not sure it is?

Yeah, I just don't see how Bell fits in with this current roster and our needs? Do we need offensive help? Yes, I think we can all agree with that. But, I'm just not sure how we get all of our 1B/DH guys enough AB's with an addition of Bell? Also, I'm guessing it would probably take a package of Hiura and Valerio to get him. Is that worth a couple of months of Bell? Not sure it is?

Overall, a well thought out plan for the deadline. Just a few observations: I think the Mancini/Hiura deal could make some sense. Hiura still has some upside, but he just needs the chance to play every day. The O's could provide him that opportunity. The Guardians are only 3.5 games out of 1st place, so not sure if they would really be looking to get rid of a key bullpen piece? Do they really need catching depth in their system? I haven't analyzed it much, but trading them both Severino and Feliciano would really kill our depth at the higher levels. I just have a hard time seeing us trading Wong right now. I know he hasn't been having a great season (either offensively or defensively), but not sure if a deal happens at the deadline As much as I'd hate to see Hader go, I do think we need to trade him either this deadline or this offseason, so that we can at least get some value back from him in a deal. It's just too bad that he is struggling so much heading into the deadline period. If we could trade him for the two prospects from LA as you've suggested, and then find a way to get another late inning reliever (or two?) to pair with Devin - we'd be just fine in the back end.

Was thinking the same thing. That swing looks legit!

Who are we hoping for in the 2nd round here? What names should we be looking for?

Yeah, I would love to know this as well. I just hate how private the minor leagues are with all of the injury situations.

Yeah, this is just off the charts and something I don't know if we've ever experienced as Brewer fans? As others have mentioned, there was certainly hype surrounding guys like Weeks, Prince, Braun, etc. As Igor pointed out, maybe Sheffield - but that was really before Top 100 prospect lists were probably even a "thing," so not sure if we have much history to go off of there? But, I just can't recall ever having a guy that was starting to get this #1 prospect in all of baseball talk. Now....he's still got to prove himself at some higher levels before I think he'll really get into that #1 talk, but it seems like a lot of these talent evaluators all think that he's got that potential.

Yes, thank you to all three of you for this valuable information. Will help me narrow in at least on some guys to keep an eye on with the games starting tonight. Much appreciated!

Just curious: who can we expect to see on those two AZL rosters tonight? With so many of our young teenage prospects already moved up to Carolina, will there be many guys in AZ that will be worth keeping tabs on? In looking at MLB Pipeline's preseason Top 30 rankings, it looks like Logan Henderson is the only guy on that list that appears might be getting his start in AZ this year. But, just wondering if there are other intriguing prospects we should keep our eye on down there?

Ha.....I'm glad to see all of these posts, as I literally couldn't believe my eyes when I saw Yolk's message at the top of this page! Have there been a few disappointments from guys in our system so far this year that we maybe had hoped for bigger things? Sure. But, there have also been plenty of great storylines thus far as well. In fact, I think you could make a solid argument that we might have the very BEST storyline thus far this minor league season in Jackson Chourio. Folks, this guy is LEGIT! Also, Baseball America just put 4 of our prospects in their Top 100, which I think is the first time we've seen this since before the 2018 season (or maybe at the end of the '17 season?). I think there is a lot to be excited about right now in our farm system, and I'm looking forward to seeing how we add to it next month with the '22 Draft!