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Because this is a small market team, and we just don’t have the funds to sign them. That's a reason why they haven't made any moves, but ignores the point made in my second paragraph entirely.
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With Kimbrel and Keuchel still available at the cost of salary and a pick, why are some people discussing or even advocating giving up even more prospects from a somewhat depleted farm system - (particularly for rentals)? Let's be honest - this team doesn't have the draft capital to get a lot of the names being mentioned (without either giving up on some of the young starters who have struggled so far and/or finishing the depletion of the farm system). If there's a trade it's more likely to be a buy-low deal on someone on a team who wants to get out from under the deal.
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Gio averaged a shade over 5 innings per start with the Brewers - the same as Wade Miley - but with a much better track record. I'm curious as to whom you think is out there that can be had for a similar price, that can actually help. I'm not arguing, just asking - I'm not sure that you could get Keuchel or Kimbrel as cheaply, and I don't see anyone else out there (unless you're thinking about giving up assets in a trade) worth bothering with. Kuechel probably 15-18 mil for this year including the prorated. That's what I was thinking. I don't disagree that Kimbrel is a much bigger "get" than Gio, but I think that the price difference is going to be greater than you think. What I really disagree with is the contention that that Gio is worthless or, as Rickey described him, a "4 inning" pitcher. Now, if it's really a choice between Gio and Kimbrel, then I get that argument - but I'm not convinced that it's an either/or situation. Of course, it's not my money. I didn't want to bring up 2017 again - I mentioned it several times in the off-season and didn't want to sound like a broken record...
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Gio averaged a shade over 5 innings per start with the Brewers - the same as Wade Miley - but with a much better track record. I'm curious as to whom you think is out there that can be had for a similar price, that can actually help. I'm not arguing, just asking - I'm not sure that you could get Keuchel or Kimbrel as cheaply, and I don't see anyone else out there (unless you're thinking about giving up assets in a trade) worth bothering with.
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Keuchel & Kimbrel in Milwaukee Today?
anglotiger replied to sveumrules's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
To those who are so upset about this, are you upset about it not being true or that you fell for it? An April Fools joke isn't about humour (like a regular joke), it's about tricking people in a harmless way and laughing about it afterwards. He got you - it's OK... it's nothing to be upset or embarrassed about. It's not as if someone stuck a paper fish to your back like the do in France... (only the French would think that was funny...) -
Those are pretty different situations though. Bell signing for what he did as early as he did was a little confusing, but the Steelers seem like a bit of a mess right now and while it was easy to point to Bell and Brown, the way the GM came out and talked about the rest of the team vs Big Ben, talking about how he has to get 52 "kids" on the same page...the problem in Pitt seems to rest on the QB's shoulders and GM's shoulders as much as anyone. That was an observation, not a judgement - and I agree that the Steelers' dysfunction goes deeper than Bell and Brown. I'm a little surprised by this. It was all over the press last September. Several were highly critical of him for holding out. A search of the Internet will come up with a pile of articles on the subject. The alienation comment was specifically about Bell's situation - how it turned out badly for him - but the observation about giving up an entire year's salary and being no better off after it is the commonality and shouldn't be dismissed because you disagree with one comment.
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Last year, Alex Cobb missed just about all of ST waiting for an offer - before getting a 4 year, $57M deal. He signed on March 20th. They're probably looking at that precedent - although they are likely getting more nervous as the days tick by.
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Le'Veon himself was an outlier, now take that it's much more common for this to happen in baseball than football and I don't think there's any chance, barring injury, both are't pitching in the big leagues this year and sooner rather than later. If they learned anything from the Bell situation, they'll know how dumb that is. Whatever he says now, Bell lost - very badly. He alienated many of his former teammates, who felt he abandoned them, lost a year of a very good salary (even by NFL standards) - money that he will never recoup - and ended up signing a contract with a lousy team making a little less per year than he would have made with Pittsburgh had he re-signed with them, rather than the "QB money" that he thought that he was worth. I can't see either of them making the same mistake. They'll play this year, even if it's only on a one-year deal, and try again later.
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Think 4-6 mil too low, but if you guys are right and we could get Gio for that we should have signed him yesterday. He’s an experienced above average left-handed pitcher that this team can really use in their rotation. Other than Kimbrell, I can’t think of a move that would help this team more. Woody and his 98 mph bullpen FB soften the blow of no Jeffress. I'd rather have brought back Miley for 5 million than spend that much or more on Gio. We're on opposite sides of this fence on this one. An uncharacteristically decent 80 innings vs a really good career with a mostly off-year last season. It just seems like "what have you done for me lately?"
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This^^^^ Not to mention being one season removed from 6th in Cy Young voting. If you can get someone like that at a reasonable price, it's a no-brainer to me. I do understand and respect the argument that you don't want to stunt the growth of promising young starters, but those who say "yeah, well he only had 25 good innings" need to look a little closer at his history before being so dismissive.
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Are they really "going for it" though? Perhaps we're just differing in our interpretation of the term. To me that implies that they're all-in, right now. Signing a 26 year old to a 13 year deal, with no opt-out and a no-trade clause, seems like a long term play. Sure, they probably hope that it means that they're contending every season for the foreseeable future, but I don't think that I'd consider them "going for it" for this season. If they'd given him an opt-out like Manny got, then I'd consider it an all-in move. Perhaps I'm just splitting hairs here...?
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Bryce Harper to Phillies; 13 years, $330M
anglotiger replied to Warning Track Power's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
By 2029, that will probably get you less than a replacement level player. You're joking, but that thought went through my head too. What surprised me wasn't that he took the offer, it's that he didn't do "better". I was expecting 10 years and about $310M with an opt out - just a little higher than MM and saving face over having turned down the Nationals' offer. Of course, the other difference between the two offers may have been that he trusted the Phillies to be a consistent contender, and didn't trust the Nationals to do the same - so you can debate the years and money, but maybe they were close enough that the chance to contend regularly became a factor. -
If the choice here is either trying to get a good return for Thames, or putting out the lineup likely to win the most games for a team that has WS aspirations, then surely it's not even a close decision?
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Brewers sign Brett Lawrie? [Latest: Brewers Release Lawrie]
anglotiger replied to Lathund's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
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Brewers Sign Josh Tomlin to Minors Deal - Invite to camp
anglotiger replied to ThisIsMyCrew's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
It sounds like throws strikes consistently but has really hittable stuff...? That's a bad combination... if he doesn't learn to risk nibbling at the corners, he doesn't have much of a future in the game... -
I don't think gio is what makes that rotation good. I think I could be the number 5 starter and it would still be a heck of a rotation Or course he's not what makes it good. I didn't say that at all. I guess that one's perspective on his value as a #4 or #5 in that rotation is entirely dependent upon what one thinks of him. In this forum, there are some people who seem to repeatedly want to hammer home the idea that he completely sucks, regardless of history. My perspective is that he's actually a pretty good pitcher and if he's your #4 or #5 then that's icing on the cake...
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I'm reading now that the Mets are sniffing around Gio... deGrom, Syndergaard, Wheeler, Gonzalez and Matz That's one heck of a rotation...
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You might be able to subtract some of that if you can move Anderson, Thames (pure salary dump - given his current lack of trade value) and Albers (not likely unless you eat salary) but given the results you might get, it would be worth it - if you don't pay "too much" (subjective) in a Kluber trade. Of course, it's easy for me to say - it's not my money...
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Fixed that for you. No, there are people on here that know things......or at least have heard credible things....that the rest of us don't know about. I know things. I've heard credible things. Things that none of you know about... Of course, whether or not those are things you care about might be another matter entirely...
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Yep. I think you are 100% right. I really couldn't agree with this more. That doesn't mean that the Brewers aren't going to continue to use analytics to "blur the lines" between starter and reliever based on matchups. But I agree that if the Brewers had the horses capable of throwing 7 strong nearly every time out, or if the bullpen wasn't as effective, you'd see longer starts. They really aren't inventing anything. They are just more cognizant of matchups. IIRC, during the radio broadcasts from "On Deck", Counsell talked about this and said that what they did with the bullpen was only possible after the roster expansion in September. It certainly didn't sound like they were planning on following the Tampa Bay model for a full season.
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While I think that he's being a little optimistic, at least this is coming from him and not just "reports". Healthwise, at least, it sounds like he's not far off.
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https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/mlb/brewers/2019/01/27/jimmy-nelson-boldly-predicts-hell-brewers-opening-day-roster-season/2682505002/ Important bits (to me): Nelson said this about his aims for this season: "Not just opening-day roster. One of my goals is to start opening day." The article also talks about how Nelson has been throwing fastballs and changeups for "7-8 weeks". Of course, the big question is can he get back to where he was, even if he's able to meet that goal.
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No kidding. This is how far this twitter "joke" went - there was a radio broadcast today from On Deck, and Steve True was sitting in for a segment when David Stearns was being interviewed. True asked him about the "rumor" that the Brewers trying to trade for Grienke. You could tell that there was a smirk on Stearns' face over the radio, just from the tone of his voice. His response was simply that he sees some of the stuff written about what the Brewers are doing and about 40% of it has, I think he put it, "some degree" of truth. Not even that 40% of it is true, just that it had some degree of truth... You've got to love David Stearns. He's not going to give anything away, with regard to personnel moves, with a direct answer - not even to quash the fake rumours.
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Remaining top free agent predictions
anglotiger replied to Ron Robinsons Beard's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
The writer of the article didn't claim knowledge of the specific teams, they were just speculating as to the possibilities - some of which, as you point out, seem a bit silly on the surface of it... -
Remaining top free agent predictions
anglotiger replied to Ron Robinsons Beard's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
It all smells of agent-speak to me. Consider where these rumours likely originated from - probably his agent (who else would know?). We know (or at least have heard and have good reason to believe) that they were asking for the moon. Even if they didn't really expect to get that much, they may well be disappointed that not only does the top offer so far appear to come from a (currently) non-contending team, but also that the offer is as far below what they were looking for as it is. It's kind of hard to swallow that you'd be unhappy with that much money, but that's a discussion for another day... I could be completely wrong (it wouldn't be the first time) but it just feels like they're hoping to get the White Sox to bid against themselves, or convince a contending team that maybe a division rival is involved so that they feel compelled to jump in and raise the stakes...