This back and forth banter gets re-hashed every off-season with the same predictable points and counter-points. Let's get over the worn out method of pitching success being judged merely by wins already. This poor beaten horse has died and decayed long ago. One player (pitcher) out of nine on the field does not and should not deserve the tag of win or loss in a team game. If the game was chess, tiddlywinks, pin the tail on the donkey, in a one-on-one matchup, then and only then should that individual get credit for the individual result. PW=S/L2 Pitching win equals skill divided by luck squared. Maybe I'm giving the pitcher too much credit. How about PW=S/L9...? I hope you get my point. Are we done yet? I write this with no sarcasm, just frustrated that I caught myself reading the same 'ol, same 'ol and I'll never get that time back again. The comparison of the Rockies and Brewers earlier in the thread gives credence to the theory that 10 runs equals a win. Colorado netted 121 runs better than Milwaukee and finished the season with 12 more wins. I'm sorry...I meant team wins. I'm of the opinion that the Brewers aren't better with the off-season transactions as of now, but there is still time before the season begins so let's hope. I believe that most of the improvement, if there is any would come from rebound years from many that had a disappointing 2009 season. I just don't see where the off-season transactions have improved the team to this point. Certainly not enough to be regarded as a contender yet. Hope springs attorney. Happy New Year to all.