Jopal78

It doesn’t happen all the time. Because of the difficulty seeing eye to eye on what’s a fair offer. I’m sure Tucker will say somewhere around what Ohtani and Soto are being paid; the Cubs will say something less than that. Then he will file for free agency and see who will pay him the most. in today’s game, Tucker would be crazy to not explore free agency. Secondly, the Cubs now have five starting outfielders (Crow, Happ, Tucker, Bellinger and Suzuki) and will get low balled by everyone when they try to deal Suzuki and/or Bellinger. This is because there isn’t enough playing time to go around, and Suzuki already has his agent grumbling that he wouldn’t have signed in Chicago if he knew they were going to DH him. Bellinger while not a bad player is guaranteed nearly 60 million dollars for the next 2 years. I suspect they’ll end up giving them both away: Suzuki because teams will know he doesn’t want to be there and Bellinger simply to move his contract and overall talent wise Tucker = Paredes, Bellinger and Suzuki

I think it shows what the league was willing to offer for 60+ innings of Devin Williams. The Brewers got a lefty starter who strikes out a batter and inning and generally keeps the ball in the park, they got a minor leaguer who the Yankees placed on their 40 man roster but wasn’t in their immediate future plans, and the Brewers got the all important cash. This trade likely doesn’t make the Brewers significantly better in the future but importantly reallocates assets by filling the rotation and dealing from an area of surplus, One other thing to remember is teams can always trade starting pitchers at the deadline and the Brewers now have 3 going into 2025 who will be on expiring contracts. If Milwaukee isn’t a contender in 2025 they are well positioned to get a talent infusion from shipping out veterans

Probably more of a question of who is more likely to help the big league team in 2025. Thomas already has 400+ innings at AAA. A guy they can theoretically use in the Bryce Wilson role.

You could be right on the WAR, I doubt it because unless Sanchez is putting up a .500 slugging percentage like his extended hot streak in San Diego in ‘23, he’s been a pretty poor hitter for years. But my point is; Gary Sanchez is not even a second tier free agent and he’s making 8.5 million dollars. To the Brewers it really never mattered what the ceiling is for free agents because they don’t shop there; but when Sanchez is helping push up the floor on what it costs to sign veteran free agents, it’s not a good sign for the smaller market clubs .

1 year 8.5 million. Now there is the real reason to be upset with celery in major-league baseball today. Sanchez made 7 million with Milwaukee, was slight above replacement level and gets a raise to 8.5 million. When replacement level veteran free agents bench player are getting 8.5 million a year, the margin of error for teams like the Brewers developing their own talent becomes almost non-existent.

Jim Bowden just suggested a trade of Devin Williams for Gavin Lux and Just Wrobleski. I’d do that trade in a second.

First of all, MLB as an entity wants all teams to have state of the art stadiums (even in Milwaukee) , that’s certainly not “pushing them to leave”. The approved public funding for their stadium in Las Vegas is 380 some million dollars. While Fisher has committed to pay the rest, there is some question if he and his family “are good for it”. Even in the articles you cited it notes Fisher is seeking to have his club valued at 2 billion dollars, then sell a minority stake for $500 million to get his share of the money together. That’s a lot of leg work to do with no guarantees, and why ground hasn’t broken yet and the clock already ticking on opening day 2028.

Do you make this stuff up? MLB didn’t push them out of Oakland, the A’s sought to relocate after reaching an impasse over who was going to pay for a new stadium in Oakland. They seemingly have the same issue already in Las Vegas over who is going to pay for what percentage of their new stadium, which is why ground has not yet been broken. Third, even assuming MLB would want to contract a team and charter member of the AL; major league baseball clubs are worth close to a billion dollars or more. Where would MLB come up with a billion dollars in cash to pay off Fisher if they were going to dissolve his team? Or do you think he and his lawyers walk away from a billion dollars?

They’re never going to get to Vegas. I do not think the money will even out and they’re already sticking millions of their own money into upgrading a “temporary” home field in Sacramento. (luxury boxes, premium bars, club houses). If no tax payers will agree to build them a stadium or pay for most of one; it seems most likely they’ll simply stay in Sacramento and continue to upgrade the stadium piecemeal.

Arnold literally gave nothing up for Montas. Junis pitched 41 innings for the Queen City, did not receive a decision and is now a free agent. Wiemer couldn’t beat out several journeyman players who were soaking up at bats in the Reds outfield, got one major league at bat for Cincy and was traded in the India deal to essentially free up a 40 man spot. As for Montas, when bad players are making 10+ million a year; a guy like Montas who takes the ball every 5th day— keeps the team in the game has real value, especially to the Mets who used 9 different pitchers at the back end of their rotation (Severino, Manea and Quintana all started 30+ games).

Why would the Yankees or Dodgers ever agree to share revenue from YES Network or Spectrum? Why would they cede their competitive advantage? They simply need an opposing team to play, and none of the other clubs have gone out of business with the current model. Therefore the big city clubs view this issue as “if ain’t broke don’t fix it”. When many of the teams are now owned by hedge fund people, I don’t think they really care either as owning the team is just another investment with a long term goal of making a killing on the equity.

I don’t know what your point is here. Snell has one complete game in his career, and has made 28 or more starts just twice in his career. It is not as if he is some workhorse as your post seemingly suggests. Next, that stating pitchers are going through the line up twice before giving way to the bullpen isn’t something new or particularly noteworthy on a fan site message board

Doubtful. Despite being on the 40 man roster Wiemer got 1 big league PA with the Reds while they trotted out Will Benson and journeymen Jake Fraley and Amed Rosario in the outfield. Now he’s a throw in to clear a 40 man spot in Cincinnati. Anything is possible, but with 2025 being his final option year he’s got one season remaining to establish himself as 40 man roster worthy.

And trade Hoskins and his guarantee for 25.

Would you claim Patrick Wisdom if you ran the Brewers? He certainly has his warts as a low average/low OBP hitter but has a projected arb salary of just 3 million in ‘25 and isn’t a FA until after ‘26 has hit 88 homers in 1473 career PAs or one every 16.7 PA and is capable of playin 1B, 3B, LF and RF. Would fit the power bat off the bench with some defensive versatility. If it were me, I’d take a 3 million dollar gamble and claim him on waivers to fill the Jake Bauers roll in ‘25

You could be right… I hope you are. I don’t really care what the WAR translated into dollar value is. That’s fun to argue about on a message board , but real life trades don’t come together based upon a surplus value equation with amorphous variables. I think you’re over valuing Williams and under valuing Bohm which isn’t surprising given it’s a Brewers fan site. Hopefully if that swap is actually possible the Brewers jump on it immediately.

Sure, but do the Phillies have a proven replacement at 3B to soak up 600+ PAs in ‘25 (and ‘26) at 3.0 WAR level production? Plus Williams is a 60 inning rental before he tests free agency after ‘25. The Phillies future goals are as a perennial World Series contender, in that context it does not make sense for them to create a hole in one part of their roster in order to patch another for what almost certainly would be one season. (Not to mention Williams in a very small has struggled mightily in the playoffs being unable to finish the inning in 2 of his 3 appearances). Isn’t it more likely they simply sign Clay Holmes or other high leverage relievers and keep Bohm? Seems to me that aligns more with their future goals though it hurts them in the short run with luxury tax payments. Next, even assuming the Phillies are looking to trade him for bullpen help. Devin Williams is a highly paid free agent to be. Seems to me the Phillies initial targets would most likely be players with equal or greater control remaining than Bohm and lower salaries so if they do weaken their lineup and infield they gain some benefit in the short run with less payroll susceptible to the luxury tax. As for Patrick, he’s a little guy (6’1” 205) with his 3rd organization since ‘21. His K/9, GB% and FB% didn’t change much from last year but the BABiP against him dropped tremendously to .267 and he wins the AAA pitching triple crown. Seems like a midnight pumpkin rather than a prospect sweetener to a contending club.

The Brewer colored glasses are alive and well! The Phillies drafted Bohm 3rd overall in 2018, stuck with him as he struggled. He blossomed into an All Star player, was 4th on their team in PAs this past season and with two more years of team control— now they’re going to trade him for a free agent to be closer and a journeyman minor league pitcher!? No way.

Doesn’t the original graphic need a bunch of context to mean anything? If it only refers to 2024, who cares? Hudson had a huge year for Milwaukee after coming over in a trade. Tyler Jay has the best 3 innings of his short career after being acquired from the Mets. Obviously, Civale pitched much better for the Brewers and there was even marginal improvement from Montas. Of course that’s a lot of improvement and really only offset by DL Hall who pitched much worse with Milwaukee than Baltimore. But what about Keuchel? He was not a “trade” per se, but was acquired from outside the organization. He made 4 starts, performed worse than he had been last year in the majors and got himself released. Mitch White was another purchase and continued to get clobbered in Milwaukee like he had in SF, and LAD. Certainly in 2023, Chafin, Javy Guerra didn’t pitch very well after coming to Milwaukee in trades and in 2022: Matt Bush, Jc Mejia, and Rogers all pitched poorly for the Brewers as did Urena and Jake McGee who were in season acquisitions of a non-trade type. Seems to me this is just slicing data in a specific way to support an argument, more than identifying an actual trend.

Unless he suffers an arm injury in ‘25 the Brewers have until July 31st to trade Williams. Seems the likely course is to sit back and see if they get blown away with an offer, if not open the 2025 season and see what happens. If they fall out of contention they can trade him, and if they need a back end relief ace in ‘25 they can keep him and get a comp pick which is probably equivalent to caliber of talent they’d be offered in return anyways. There is no reason to be hasty to trade away a premium player just because they’re approaching six years of service time .

Williams doesn’t have 6 years of service time. So if the Brewers figured he’d make less via arbitration, they could potentially decline the team option and tender him a contract for 2025 and go to arbitration. (The optics on that are probably so bad it’s a non-starter). Either way I agree with you they’ll bring him back. I’m not so sure he gets traded either, despite having the worst game of his career and the worst time for the 2024 team, he’s a really good pitcher and they won’t just give him away if nobody is willing to trade them players that make the team better.

Then you need to read more carefully because I never said that I never said that. The difference in overall talent level between the Brewers and the Mets is not that different if at all. However, two of the very best players at their position in the NL are on their roster. Those two players are paid a ton of money based on prior performance and it’s the two same players who ended the Brewers season. It’s an interesting thought if the team is better off having a high floor in terms of overall talent with a lower ceiling, kind of describes the 2024 brewers or is it better to have weak spots on your roster but also a couple of players amongst the very best at their position.

My point exactly. The Brewers got beat by the Mets super-star players. Lindor worked a walk when the team needed it most, and Alonso hit the ball over the fence to de facto win the game. Meanwhile, the Brewers superstar player was out for the year with a back injury in July, while Contreras had 2 singles in 12 trips to the plate out of the #3 hole, and went hitless in the final game. And that’s being kind still calling Yelich a superstar, where he missed most of this year with injuries and was a disappointment the four years prior to that.

That’s so hard to quantify. For example, the Brewers have better outfielders and catchers than the Mets, but the Mets infield is better than Milwaukee’s. The real difference between the two is the Brewers don’t have two hitters like Lindor and Alonso, mainly because they are never going to commit the 55+ million dollars it would cost for 2 veteran hitters of that quality when they run total payrolls of $120 million dollars or less.

The Brewers were eliminated in a best of 3 series. A dumb idea by MLB and primarily so mediocre teams hovering around .500 can keep their fan base engaged. Meanwhile the deciding factors in best of 3 series isn’t talent, but luck and circumstance. The only valid criticisms against the ‘24 Brewers is they let the foot off the gas in September (.500 record) costing them a first round bye. Secondly, they played poorly against the bottom feeders in their league: Nationals, Marlins, Rockies and Pirates which also cost them a first round bye. Big picture: this collection of players is probably the best talent they’ve had top to bottom in the last 30+ years. It wasn’t too long ago that the organization was mostly devoid of talent and the roster was made up of journeyman players like John Van derWal, AAAA players like Wayne Franklin and washed up vets like Jeff Suppan.