Ron Robinsons Beard
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That's where I'm at as well. I would expect this year's 1st rounder, and anything more than that is gravy. Anything less than that, though, and I'd be pretty disappointed. I realize that it's different situations, but the package that Denver gave up last offseason for Russell Wilson was pretty huge for a player who was coming off a pretty bad 2021 season in Seattle. Granted Wilson is quite a bit younger, but he looked done in Seattle, and he followed it up by looking washed in Denver. But Wilson has never been in Rodgers' stratosphere talent-wise, either.
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Not too difficult to come to this conclusion when you read between the lines, but Russini is typically pretty solid on her scoops. I think Packer fans need to come to the realization that big changes are in order. At this point, I just hope to not be underwhelmed by the trade return. If it's something like a 2nd and a conditional pick next year, I'm going to be disappointed ... especially considering what other mediocre QBs have been valued at via trade (washed Russell Wilson) or via free agency (Jones, Carr, etc.) Teams are paying a premium for even average QB play, so if Rodgers has pledged to play multiple years for the Jets, the compensation needs to be significant.
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I've heard this idea thrown around before that the Packers are going to go back to the 70s/80s version once Rodgers is gone, should Love not work out, and I don't buy it. Well-run NFL organizations typically are able to right the ship quickly and effectively. I personally think that, while Favre and Rodgers certainly deserve their share of the credit, the organization itself has been run well over the last 30 years, and I don't buy that it's suddenly going to fall off a cliff. Not for a second.
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I think most appreciate what he has done on the field over the last 15 years. I also think many have grown tired of the off-the-field weirdness.
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Perhaps. But I also think at this point there's simply too much smoke for there not to be any flames.
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It would be an obvious open-and-shut case of tampering if the Jets had talked to Rodgers without the Packers' permission.
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The Brewers regularly have a 3rd catcher on the 40 man roster who has options available so they can stash him in Nashville. It certainly does appear that Henry is that guy this year.- 5 replies
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The crux of this is that the Jets wouldn't have been able to speak with Rodgers unless they had the Packers' permission. This, to me at least, means that the Packers as an organization agree with you that it is time for a separation. It wouldn't surprise me if Rodgers talks to the Raiders and Dolphins as well. Then its a matter of the Packers accommodating not only where Rodgers wants to play, but also what the compensation would be, because a player of Rodgers magnitude (even if he isn't the player he was just a few years ago) would immediately make whichever team he goes to a Super Bowl contender.
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Or perhaps they want to simply get value back on a tailback who is 29 years old and has a $16.5 million cap number. Henry is a freak of nature, but the shelf life of an NFL back is short, and that guy has taken a pounding throughout his career.
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Ron Robinsons Beard replied to Brock Beauchamp's topic in Brewer Fanatic Issues & Suggestions
I like the thumbs down. Perhaps it's a bit subtly passive aggressive, but it may keep arguments from spiraling out of control in the long run. -
Well I stand corrected. In any case, I have typically not ever been much of an "eye test" guy, but I guess I made that assumption in this case. Perhaps the numbers do not actually back up my claim, but I'll still say that the 2022 team just didn't have the excitement that past teams brought to the table.
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Granted I did no research to back up my claim. I doubt that I would be the only one who would say that the 2022 team was kind of a chore to follow, though. Perhaps it was a lack of personality in the 2022 squad? I remember a few offensive explosion-type games, but a lot of <3 run games as well. I suppose those offensive explosions do tend to up the average runs per game, but I don't think that saying that the 2022 Brewers offense was regularly inconsistent and often anemic is out of line.
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The 2022 team was quite possibly the least entertaining Brewers team to watch over the last decade. This was fueled by an oftentimes anemic offense, along with starting pitching injuries that brought the team's record quickly back down to earth after an terrific start. I think that if we see a healthier rotation, along with better performances from the guys occupying the 6th-8th spots on the rotational depth chart as needed, combined with more consistent offensive production, that would constitute a successful year. It will at least be a much more entertaining year. This team became a chore to watch near the end of summer last year. Of course, should that good stuff happen, we are likely looking at 90+ wins and a divisional crown. The playoffs are a crapshoot. We can only hope that the team catches fire in August/September and carries it over to the payoffs.
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A fun article about "what would have been" but you had to throw in your never ending quest to play Braun at 3B. Braun was historically bad at 3B in his rookie season. HISTORICALLY! And while Molitor wasn't terrible at 3B, he wasn't exactly Brooks Robinson there, either. What in the world would Molitor have been able to do to even make Braun passable there?
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Depending on 3-4 rookies to come in an make a meaningful contribution offensively to a playoff contender is a huge risk that I'm glad the team has decided to mitigate. Having Winker on the team means that they have the luxury of not having to throw all of them to the fire at the same time.
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It's a total hypothetical to really even think that there was a player-for-prospect deal out there for Wong. It was out there that the M's had soured on Winker and were looking to move him, and the Brewers had an obvious hole at DH. We also know how that front office loves left-handed power with the short porch in right at AmFam Field. Lets not forget, too, that Abraham Toro just turned 26, and was once quite a well-regarded power-hitting infield prospect. Should he find that stroke as a Brewer, he could very well join that pipeline.
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I don't. Yelich, Taylor and Mitchell especially have a storied injury history. Having offensive depth theoretically keeps the team from having to rely on the Billy McKinneys of the world to provide runs. What good are a couple 17-year-old lottery ticket types gonna do for a team that wants to contend this year? If they were rebuilding? Sure. Not now.
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I was a Suter fan too, and was a bit sad to see him go. But I also understand why logistically they went that route. Giving that move an F grade kills the credibility of this article for me. I get that this is a fan site and there is going to be some editorialization, but that's overkill.
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The window is now. While it is important to keep one eye on the future, this team is ready to win now. Therefore they need to make moves to bolster the roster for 2023. Pinning your hopes on four rookies getting substantial MLB playing time on a playoff contending team is not a recipe for success. They know that, which is why they decided to get proven MLB talent back for Wong, rather than restock with low-level minor leaguers.
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I think an argument could be made for reversing Sheets and Woodruff, but otherwise it's hard to find much fault here. Probably an oversight, but Pete Vuckovich deserves at least an honorable mention, if not that #5 spot.
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I think it was Einstein who said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. This team's economic standing is what it is. They are always going to be a team that will maximize $/win. I think expecting them to change course at this point is probably a foolish endeavor. Of course, you can try to hold the team accountable, but that probably means not spending your money on following the team any longer. And you're here posting, so you obviously haven't gotten to that point yet. The idea of contending for a World Series is always going to be a "pie in the sky" goal for the Brewers. That's just reality.
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I think it was Einstein who said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. This team's economic standing is what it is. They are always going to be a team that will maximize $/win. I think expecting them to change course at this point is probably a foolish endeavor. Of course, you can try to hold the team accountable, but that probably means not spending your money on following the team any longer. And you're here posting, so you obviously haven't gotten to that point yet. The idea of contending for a World Series is always going to be a "pie in the sky" goal for the Brewers. That's just reality.
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I don't disagree with any of this. I think Adrian Houser can and likely will be an important member of this team's pitching staff. That was more an answer to SF70's assertion that trading him would be more valuable than keeping him as a 7th starter. It's nice to have the depth to even consider that scenario. I doubt the Brewers are, though.
