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Fortunately they remembered they have a quota of penalties to commit.

I was shouting at him to turn around as the ball was thrown, might as well not even covered him.

Looks like the WR landed right on his shoulder, broken clavicle maybe? That's unfortunate for him.

Wow, that's really how you took that. Really? Yes, I understood you were talking about Whelan improving. I was countering the conclusion you made that when I said "why haven't the LS or holder lost their jobs" you felt I meant the punter, as holder, would be cut from the team. So I clarified. I even used the words "in theory" about choosing a different holder than the punter. Just because the convention now is the punter holds doesn't mean a team would want to cut an otherwise effective punter just because they desired a better option at holder. I'd think they'd see if there were another workable option on the roster already. Make sense? Again, "in theory" because I don't really think Whelan holding is an issue even if he had once had some struggles (which I don't recall but I'll take people's word for it). As for the long snapper my assumption is they would replace him if they felt there were an obvious upgrade available. It makes sense to me that all things being equal they will hope for improvement and continue to monitor open market options as they become available. I don't feel I should have to say this to defend myself but it's apparently too much to ask to assume someone posting on a topic (me) has a basic understanding of existing roster situations. I went on to (essentially) say that issues with snaps and holds would not cause an NFL team to cut a kicker. My entire point is why are we even talking about bad snaps or holds when debating a kicker's performance? The team is judging the kicker's responsibility when the other parts of the process have met acceptable expectations. Therefore, "it's not that big of an issue."

My point about talking about bad snaps or holds is the team wouldn't hold the kicker responsible in those instances, regardless if an attempt still gets made and is added as a missed kick on the kicker's official stat line. I get bringing that point up in a discussion where folks are talking about misses and percentages but anecdotally I don't remember any actual instances of a botched snap or hold obviously affecting a kick to the point it was attempted and missed.

Yeah I'm not in love with the long snapper and I know they've been cycling through them for awhile, as they should. Whelan appears to have improved, he made a great play Sunday on that snap but he wouldn't need to be cut if, in theory, they wanted someone else to hold. Doesn't have to be the punter that holds (though it's probably preferred since it wouldn't drain practice time from another player's usual responsibilities).

On what percentage of kicks? If this is as big a factor as you and others suggest then why haven't those guys lost their jobs? So far it's 2 kickers fired. Seems to me the team laid the majority of the blame on them.

OSS quoted a comment by you that was directly tied to Carlson. My mistake if I misinterpreted the ensuing discussion to be relevant specifically to Carlson but it sure seemed that way to me. https://brewerfanatic.com/forums/topic/43177-packers-2024-season-thread/?do=findComment&comment=1626095&_rid=4446

Missing 7 extra points in five seasons sounds like a dream kicker compared to Carlson who has now missed 6 in 18 games. Edit: Oops, forgive me, if we're including playoffs it's 7 extra point misses in 20 games.

Plus the Reds haven't finished higher than 3rd place in the standings since 2012. With only one recent playoff appearance where they were swept by the Braves in a 2 game wild card series in the 2020 COVID season.

Just listen to all those disappointed Yankees fans:

I have it on decent authority that extra points don't count when evaluating a kicker.

This win plays beautifully into how the story has been set up with the return of the script writer. TG must be super happy with this win.

Deshaun Watson carted off with apparent Achilles injury. Never want to see a guy get hurt but this is probably the best case scenario for Cleveland. Now they can let insurance pay for some of that atrocious salary and they don't have to play him in games. Cleveland fans have to be ecstatic. Again, not my intention to make light of a guy getting hurt.

Wow that hold was almost a botch. Relief. Edit: it was the snap, great great catch and hold!

Just gives me the warm fuzzies we spotted this team 16 pts.

The choice not to go for 2 pts on the last TD looking worse and worse though in the moment I didn't hate it.

Ugh wrong time to give up a bunch of 1st downs. smh

At some point a good offense will break through no matter how well a defense is playing. Need to hold them to a FG. Wouldn't mind a turnover though.

Standing ovation for a simple fair catch. Hooray!

Where were all the white shirts on that one?

Lol special teams...

Meanwhile, we continue to give away possessions.

I don't know how the Texans coach let that ball get snapped. Maybe got a break. Close enough to review.

Special teams just refuses to stop being the reason winning is harder than it needs to be.