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…or maybe one of those guys heads a little further north? Nah, probably just Nashville.
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Read the original post I’m replying to. “If it fails” being the operative phrase. I’ll thank you not to call me a Vikings fan again. 😉
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The "So what?" is the possibility of a protracted rebuild. CC is already hinting at stepping away, that would probably put the last nail in the coffin. The stadium upgrade debate is getting acrimonious politically--a sharp downturn in the franchise's outlook isn't going to help that. Worst case scenario: Nashville Brewers? No thanks. I'll take long-term stability, thank you very much.
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Right, but there's still an offseason... I don't see the need to get dramatic and say they are definitely waiting until next year's deadline, or not going to trade them at all.
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So, what if Arnold now goes to the White Sox and says, "Look, the Cubs are trying to go for it--you don't want to see them in the playoffs again while you have a down year, right? Let's do this Eloy trade at our price and in exchange, you can have the satisfaction of the keeping the Cubs down a while longer. Shall we sign?" Who says no?
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Ok, but Burnes and Woody aren't free agents after this year, so this seems slightly premature in its conclusion.
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Standings and payroll = analytics? And I recall you being rather adamant that people cannot predict the future, but you seem awfully sure Candelario will return better performance than Santana + Canha. Two months isn't a very long time to evaluate--I wouldn't be so sure about that.
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wrc+ 65 🤢 wrc+ 16... 🤮
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It has also been reported that Cohen is paying Canha's salary, so the Brewers are only responsible for the prorated league minimum. That might help them swing another deal without a contract being too much of an obstacle... EDIT: H/t to @JefferyLeonard and @KeithStone53151 who I just saw mentioned this above.
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He'll fit right in with the other "progress to the mean" candidates in the bottom half of the lineup, then!
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I don't see why this would necessarily preclude an Eloy Jimenez move, since Jimenez wasn't realistically going to play in the field much, anyway. But if this is it, and if they aren't going to try Black for the stretch run, then that may very well indicate that the front office sees this as a team in limbo at present. Tepid offensive reinforcements in case they catch lightning in a bottle in September/October, but don't go for broke. That may be the right call strategically, but it isn't exactly Christmas morning... I'd be very interested in knowing what the offers are for Jimenez at this moment.
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I love the idea of having Kim on board, but probably not at that price. And, to complicate matters, Kim just injured his shoulder, which may not be serious, but it’s a really bad time to have to evaluate him medically for a trade. -
I could be talked into a Polanco deal, price dependent, of course. But it might mean the front office has become considerably bearish on Urias and Turang, unless one of those players was involved in the deal going the other way. Maybe they still imagine Urias bouncing back and returning to a super-sub role, or playing more SS in Adames’ absence (I wouldn’t be thrilled about that idea from a run-prevention angle, however). But if Polanco is right physically, he could certainly help us right now.
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If that is all it would take, then giddy up. If that were true, though, I think it would have happened already, which means the Chi Sox want quite a bit more than that.
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I was today years old when I learned that you don’t have to put “Rumor” in the title. Good to know…
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Job Heyman reports that Soto is kind of, sort of, halfway on the block. As a caveat, the report indicates that a Soto trade seems unlikely, that the Padres haven’t yet given up on the season, and that they aren’t even in any hurry to deal Snell or Hader. Of course, this could all amount to a signal to the league to try harder, since they’re further away from a playoff spot than the Chicago Cubs are at the moment. I’ll put my cards on the table and say I’ve wanted Soto on the team for a long, long time. I may fairly be described as a “prospect hugger” by some, but for a year and a half of Soto, I might be willing to send almost anybody to San Diego. In the apparent absence of Ohtani, I can’t imagine a more impactful hitter available, which means, the price would surely be high. The Padres don’t need to trade him, and they just paid a kings ransom for him last season, so I’d imagine they’d hold out for Chourio, and quite possibly more. That would hurt, indeed, but I’d at least think about it for a few days as the calendar keeps marching to August… What say you? View full rumor
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Job Heyman reports that Soto is kind of, sort of, halfway on the block. As a caveat, the report indicates that a Soto trade seems unlikely, that the Padres haven’t yet given up on the season, and that they aren’t even in any hurry to deal Snell or Hader. Of course, this could all amount to a signal to the league to try harder, since they’re further away from a playoff spot than the Chicago Cubs are at the moment. I’ll put my cards on the table and say I’ve wanted Soto on the team for a long, long time. I may fairly be described as a “prospect hugger” by some, but for a year and a half of Soto, I might be willing to send almost anybody to San Diego. In the apparent absence of Ohtani, I can’t imagine a more impactful hitter available, which means, the price would surely be high. The Padres don’t need to trade him, and they just paid a kings ransom for him last season, so I’d imagine they’d hold out for Chourio, and quite possibly more. That would hurt, indeed, but I’d at least think about it for a few days as the calendar keeps marching to August… What say you? -
Yeah, I would have been fine with that, too, but I don’t think anyone expected Rowdy, who has always been streaky, to stay cold as long as he has. Oh well, he’s in the fold now.
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Interesting that his lefty/righty splits are pretty even this year, so he’s hitting like a pure switch hitter. Looks like he’s heating up post-All Star Break, and is enjoying a moderately better year away from Pittsburgh compared to in Pittsburgh, so maybe the more hitter-friendly confines of AmFam will be a little boost (he sports a career 1.038 OPS in Milwaukee, though that is only 10 games and 33 at-bats, so not exactly a massive sample size). I like it is a first move that allows for a more focused approach on whatever value they can find at DH/RF and bullpen.
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Ah, I keep forgetting about that wrinkle. I’d hate him to take a Caratini trade as hard as he took the Hader one…
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Caratini makes a lot of sense. I wonder what he could fetch from the Yankees or a team in a similar predicament? Could we pry a bullpen piece away for Caratini—someone in the .5 - 1 WAR range?
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Forget Soto, we don’t shop in that store. If we’re playing the “what if the crazy Padres woke up and decided to sell (even though they’re not even close to out of it)” game, then put me down for wanting all of Ha-Seong Kim on this roster. CC loves him some utility infielders, so we might as well give him one of the best around for him to play with. Would the Padres sell him? No, probably not—but I don’t think they want to sell period. But if we’re saying they do, Kim’s my target.
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Yeah, I mentioned this last year in the minor league forum, but I’m even more optimistic about him when he struggles and then gets over it. To me, that is far more helpful to his future prospects than one unending minor league triumph for 2.5 years. The majors won’t be like that for him, and everyone needs to learn how to bust slumps and not get psychologically destroyed first.
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So after Jaxon Smith-Njigba ran in the low 4.5 range at his pro day, I am fully prepared for him to get snagged a couple spots ahead of us in the draft and then our first two picks will be an interior d lineman and a offensive tackle project, neither of whom will start right away. In a couple years, they’ll be solid contributors in the “good but not great” category, but there will be a handful of vague reports that Gute loved JSN and Darnell Washington but just missed on both, so we’ll be doomed to all argue about these draft results for at least the next decade. This is the Packers, so there is no other way.
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I would also much rather load the draft picks up for 2024, and let’s just do a pick-swap this year. In the (unlikely, IMO) event that Love proves horrifically inept or (slightly more likely) suffers a severe injury, I’d want the draft capital to possibly go get a QB. It would be nice to at least have the option.
