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That’s good enough for me, Rosenthal and Heyman not a peep should a dampened earlier reports anyhow. Thinking with the heart instead of the brain. I just hope the fact he’s not a member of our bullpen is because of LONG TERM demands or brewers rejecting medicals and not because they didn’t want to offer a high enough pillow deal because they don’t want to increase their payroll. We have plenty of $ to spend but Mark A and investors probably would like 30+ mil profit again.

Exactly. Taylor Williams could be that guy. Think of some of the best closers we've had in the last decade. The Turnbow, Axford types. They weren't guys you were really counting on when they burst onto the scene. Williams has as good of stuff as just about anyone. And you can't afford to take Hader out of the role he's in now. What hurts the most about losing both of those guys is that you could count on one of them to come in and put out a fire earlier in a game....in the 5th or 6th inning and then the other was still there to close after Hader got you 4-5-6 outs. Taylor Williams has given no indication he's earned a high leverage late inning slot. He's got good but not great stuff by today's standards and his command wasn't good enough to stay in the big leagues much less handle the 7th or 8th innings. A -0.2 Career WAR doesn't get it done, and neither does 4.2 BB per 9 innings. Agree^^ OD bullpen nothing but ?? Outside of Hader Guerra Anderson claudio

No,I disagree. Ifyou get two relivers from the Giants with great stuff who both can get more than 10 K's per 9 IP, you don't go out and waste money on Kimbrel. Kimbrel is not a good option. We don't want to have to sign Kimbrel. If Knebel came back and they said his elbow was the same as it's been and he's going to resume throwing in 2 weeks, I'd be off of Kimbrel. I'm only on Kimbrel because I don't know that another team is going to throw in the towel before the season even begins and trade us an elite BP arm. If the plan was to build a super-pen, we'd have signed 2-3 guys who were as good or better last year than Kimbrel for what Kimbrel is asking for. I just want to get back to having a good and estasblished pen. Will Smith and Moronta do that for us and in Moronta they get a guy for 5 years. It's not my money, but how it's spent does impact the team I root for. If you're going to sign Kimbrel now just because, even after replacing what you lose in Knebel and Jeffreess, I'd just wait, hold onto that money and take a look at next years FA class and target a certain Astro from UCLA. As for Ray, I doubt Stearns has been grooming him to trade him(I don't even know how you'd do that. I just think he's better, is more highly respected and would appeal to the Giants more, and if you're going to trade your closer and your young SU before the season starts, it is an easier sell to your fanbase that you're getting back a Team USA star, a former top 10 pick, and a guy coming off a big season not far removed from being a top 50 prospect. What the heck is wrong with a high pillow deal? Not gonna make ANY difference $ wise moving forward. We have 30+ mil easily that can be invested THIS year if Mark WANTS to. If he wants multiple years move on then. Grooming silly figure of speech, I think you get the jist of what I’m saying.

I think this is probably way more spot on than any of this Kimbrel talk. Will Smith makes a ton of sense. Agreed, but if you're giving up Ray, you'd better be getting back more than one year of control. Get Smith, and that flame throwing young guy who struck out over 10 per 9 IP last year and can crank it up to 100 and you control for 5 years and maybe you've rebuilt your BP. I guess it depends on what the Brewers think of Ray. I think in Brinson they saw a guy who was extremely talented but was going to take a while to develop(I've said I think it'll take 1000-1200 PA's before he starts to produce). Are they more confident about Ray? And how valuable is he compared to two potentially dominant relievers that puts this BP back on solid footing not just this year, but the next few AND keeps you from having to shell out 20 million for a year of Craig Kimbrel. You do that trade all day long. I think Stearns has groomed Ray for trade anyhow, cause Taylor better in stearns mind. No brainer, then also go after Kimbrel to build a superpen, virtually assuring yourself of winning the pennant.

Thank goodness stearns is in charge.

Cubs arguably make more sense than the Brewers, since Maddon is that dinosaur-type manager that pigeonholes his relievers into concrete spots. My guess is still Braves, though. Brewers have tons more money to spend than the cubs, that felt great saying that, because it’s true, Cubs already over tax, there owner said NO more. They not gonna blast up over 235, forget the cubs. Crew has 80 mil room under cap so we’re safe there.

Stearns has the right to make an incredibly vague statement that could mean almost anything... needs a closer that can be counted on - No they don't. They need quality pitchers that can get outs no matter what the situation. I really thought baseball was going to evolve beyond the "set closer in the 9th" mentality. Dishing out crazy sums of money for guys deemed to be a "closer" has probably led to more bad contracts in baseball than any other position. They NEED a pitcher who close the game out in the 9th inning that they can count on, sorely lacking in that department. Hader Albers not good enough.

I don't like any of those options. I don't want to send Anderson down(not even sure if he has an option, but if he doesn't, don't want to lose him for a loogy. Hader is as effective a he is exactly because he's NOT a closer. We can bring him in with 1 out in the 7th to get Votto and Gennett out(though there'd likely be a right inbetween the two) and then bring him back in the 8th to leave the bottom of the order for our closer. In fact, I think that had a lot to do with JJ's numbes last year. He started out the year and he wasn't the normal SU man and he didn't have to get the best hitters on the other team out in a close game late. If you make Hader a closer, he's just another guy...not nearly the weapon he is now. Also, people are sleeping on Anderson. I know he had trouble keeping the ball in the park last year, but I still like him. He's got good stuff and his fastball, curve combo might play up in the pen. And he may well see time in our rotation yet this year. Again, remember when there was a real debate on this thread in 2017 about who should start a game one or a WC game if we got to one, Nelson or Anderson? He struggled last year, but I wouldn't write him off. Totally agree here, he could be our secret weapon, multi-inning(2-4) inning shut down the enemy weapon.

Too harsh of words, yes. And I want to apologize directly to Mr. Stearns just in case he’s reading this thread. If giants do that trade get er done. If Kimbrel sign big pillow deal get er done.

Ever since Stearns became GM, he's poured over DFA's and low-level free agents at this time of year, and pretty consistently has turned over the 24th-25th man right before the start of the season. If they see a guy out there and theoretically is better than Thames or Barnes/Williams, they could very well make a move. I don't think that is any indication that Kimbrel is on his way, though. In fact, I would HIGHLY doubt that Kimbrel would immediately be added to the 25-man roster even if he's signed. He may be keeping himself is some sort of shape, but he still missed all of Spring Training. I don't mean to pee in anyone's Cheerios, but we gotta look at this logically. Stearns should’ve kept his mouth shut on this one, if what you say is correct. This team needs a closer that can be counted on, and I’m pretty confident in saying we’re not gonna get that with the waiver wire pick up, why take a chance on this being our Achilles’ heel?

Ever since Stearns became GM, he's poured over DFA's and low-level free agents at this time of year, and pretty consistently has turned over the 24th-25th man right before the start of the season. If they see a guy out there and theoretically is better than Thames or Barnes/Williams, they could very well make a move. I don't think that is any indication that Kimbrel is on his way, though. In fact, I would HIGHLY doubt that Kimbrel would immediately be added to the 25-man roster even if he's signed. He may be keeping himself is some sort of shape, but he still missed all of Spring Training. I don't mean to pee in anyone's Cheerios, but we gotta look at this logically. Logically speaking, I don’t think we know the answer to this I mean you could be right with the waiver wire etc. but The timing also makes sense with Kimbrel not wanting to sit any longer And start playing baseball again.

I think it’s happening!

Not too early for a too early assessment from me: I’ll take his 2016 draft, his first- Ray Erceg feliciano Webb Burnes Brown Henry I would argue with the pitching trio a resounding success, looking good with Ray(trade chip)Erceg-meh, feliciano-injuries, Henry rising. Draft too early grade A. Is there any doubt in stearns 3+ years that the development of the minor league pitching has takin a giant leap forward? Just take the young trio, I would argue there pre draft grades vs current have improved as much as any young pitchers in baseball> minor league development, at least the pitching, A+

Counsell using Brown Sanchez Perdomo a sign of things to come some time after S 2. Least this sept.

Hope so. Claudio looks better to me. I wasn't real high on Jennings, but he was pretty effective, was, as mentioned, a rubber arm and he could get out the occasional righty. As for Claudio, what about him looks good? Can he get righties out at all? I know he was a closer for a minute, but does he get GB's? Soft contact? Does he have an odd deliver? I'm just looking at the surface numbers and he looks like a soft tossing lefty who doesn't strike anyone out. Am I missing something? Brewers must like him better, after all they gave up comp pick to get him. He has lots of closing experience plus funky delivery. Rubber arm or no rubber arm, Jennings in my opinion,when the going got tough he failed in big time situations numerous times against lefty’s.

Hope so. Claudio looks better to me.

Toronto announcers impressed with our pitching, sneak preview of Brown out of pen. Burnes clone. Not quite the FB or repertoire but great curve and command, this guy gonna help after super2.

8% better than Tropicana field though.

Burnes stuff is ridiculous! I see 3-4 TOR starters by playoff time.

Yelich> .350 .450 40 130 Sets mlb record with 200 runs scored. Just misses triple crown Wins second straight mvp

Well, with Attansio, that'd be a lot higher than 170! I see your point though, obviously he's not going to lose 100 million this year, so there is some limit. But what you're talking about potentially happening....it's already happened to this team and to add the type of talent that we could now, you're talking about giving up significant assets AND money whereas now we can just give up the money. Look at what the Cubs gave up for half a season of Chapman? Torres alone is crazy. I just think the scenario that you're saving this money for has already come to fruition as the most reliable part of our BP has been rocked with injuries to Knebel and Jeffress and I'd rather address it now than wait to see if we can get them healthy...or if we have other issues arise that would require that money. There are 4 good teams in the NLC and the Pirates aren't terrible. We have a tough first half and we can't afford to fall too far out while we're trying out unproven relievers. Of course I think if Kimbrel was willing to take a big salary over 1 year, something around the QO, he'd have already signed. Funny comment with Attanasio, obviously I agree since you keep me from being a lone voice on ridiculous small market, already at record breaking payroll move on from Kimbrel talk.

Are you sure your not a cards fan? Be honest. I think you also want baseball to strike. Wouldn’t affect you much, if memory serves me right.

Thanks for the info! Exciting to read a scout blown away like we are with Woody. Also confirming what some us think on Brown in Milwaukee this year.

And with Kimbrel and jeffress a superpen is born.

So the bullpen is: Hader Albers Williams Barnes Claudio Wilson Guerra Anderson