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Is he getting overlooked a little bit? To step right into full-season ball a year out of HS and be dominant? And from a guy who's from a cold-weather state? Has pitching become if not the strength of this system, at least on equal footing with the position prospects(I'm not including anyone on the MLB roster).

Agreed. If we played a gap scheme, he'd probably be fine but he doesn't move well enough in space. I think they ran more gap than ZB at the end of last year and in the playoffs when they were rotating Rhyan in...but I don't know that to be true. It may just have stood out more because those two are so much better with that type of run blocking than they are in the ZBS. I do think Myers is athletic enough to play OG in this offense though. And when he latches on, he moves people. Barton could be a really interesting player. I'm not sure the Packers take a guy who's most likely just an IOL in Rd1 and he'd probably be gone before #41. If the reports that executives aren't as high on JPJ as the analysts who make the big boards, he could be an answer. It'll be interesting to see what they do, but the Packers have to get their OL settled. Love's getting probably at least 5/250. The salary cap looks good now, but the way to keep it in good shape it obviously not overpaying mediocre players. JRJ got 3/30. I would think Myers could get something close to that on the open market. That's a lot to pay. On top of that, IMO, the best way to evaluate need is to make a list of the top ~5-8 players who would hurt the Packers the most if they went down due to injury. The QB is always on that list. At the moment, I'd have Jenkins and Tom in that top 6-8 and probably even Walker(and I'm not a particular fan, though I think he's solid enough). They have nothing at RG right now. Sean Rhyan has shown little to suggest he can be a starter there. He rotated with JRJ who was banged up last year and his backup at the moment is...Royce Newman? I don't know if they go OL Rd1 of Rd2, but I would expect them to come out of this draft with 3-4 OL drafted and ideally, a couple between Day1 and Day2. #41 COULD be the ideal place to take an OL. Someone like Guyton, Morgan, Suamatia, Barton, if they slide past SF/Baltimore, they'd all be great fits and I think all of them have positional versatility. You'd draft Guyton to hopefully make him a future OT, but he bends well enough to play Guard. It's a good time to be a Packers fan. 5 picks in the top ~90 with the young talent we have? Halfway into this year, we were wondering if the Packers had the right QB in place or if they'd need to give up a ton of draft capital to get one.

It's a big step up from the Ivy, there's no question there. I don't think Suamatia would have to kick inside, but I think he could and I think he'd be an immediate upgrade. Morgan can play OT and OG. Rosengarten, Coleman, Fisher, Puni, McCormick, I think all fit the athletic thresholds and could easily go in the top 3 rds. Zinter I believe would have been a 2nd rd pick without the injury. This OL class is deeper than it has been in years. Even guys like Beebe are good enough that being just limited to OG, I think they're worth a 2nd rd pick. He's a plug-and-play guy who immediately upgrades the OL. He's square and limited to OG only, but if the guy can play there for 10 years, I don't think that's a big deal. On the other end, someone like Guyton is tall, but he bends so well, that I don't think he'd have much problem playing OG...or OT.

I'm not really looking at stats(I couldn't tell you what either rushed for without looking). I'm looking at how he reads blocks and sets his blocks up. Aaron Jones played at UTEP. This is a play I don't think Wright can make. Wright is more likely to take the ball 90 yards...I don't think he's more likely to keep churning out positive plays. As for the age, I'm generally looking at a back for one contract. So if Davis is 28 of 26 at the end of his deal...it's not that big of a deal for a guy who'll probably be there in Rd5. At #41, I'm looking for a premium position.

I'd be happy with any of the guys in the first 3 rounds...but I would be VERY surprised if they use pick #41 on Jaylen Wright. I like him...I'm not sure he's the type of back the Packers would pick, but I'd love to see the Packers draft him...just not at 41. I feel like we have positions that are just clear-cut needs at IOL, LB...I'd assume DB unless they think much more of AJJ and have more belief in Stokes/Nixon and even Valentine who played well in my opinion, but didn't grade well. But taking Wright at #41 just seems like a high price to pay and Davis from Kentucky would likely be around a couple rounds later. I wish they'd focus more on that change of pace back who can be a HR hitter. Among the guys you left out, Beebe is a guy I think could easily go from #58 to #91, but not sure he's the type of player the Packers take, so not sure you'll regret leaving him out. I'd be a fan. Amegadjie in that same range. He is a really interesting prospect and the Safety from TCU, Perry looks like a guy who could be a STs demon and also has that ability to be a box safety while also playing CF. Same with Hamilton or Watts for that matter. I also wonder what they think of DeJean. Without him doing the agility testing, I doubt they can feel comfortable with him as a CB...but they also don't need to. At worst he has the physical tools to be a safety who, again, is a great compliment to McKinney. I'm not even sure if he's "better" near the LOS or in coverage. You could do so much with both of them on the field at safety. Both can play the slot, the run, cover the middle, and play in space. Anything else would be nitpicking...like Milton of Rattler. Not a fan of the latter and I think character issues would turn the Packers off, but it feels like your point here is more of a talented QB they could take to get back to trying to develop good backup QBs rather than Rattler in particular. This seems as good as any roundup. There are...what, 3 near guarantees with the Packers in the early rds. 1-High RAS score/22 or younger 2-Big time school/competition 3-Premium position So everyone pretty well fits that, especially early save for the LBers and an OT from Yale or Bishop...though does LB/S become a premium position when they're fundamental to the defensive change you've made? Or maybe they're just exceptions as Quay, Savage and then the older Wyatt were.

There's a lot of very interesting players among those who are visiting, but one who I think could be a massive steal is Joe Milton. If he's there in Rd5, I'd be very happy to see the Packers take him. 6'5, built like a TE with elite speed, and just a cannon for an arm. It's worth taking a flier on him and seeing if Tom Clement can do something with him. I also love seeing Zach Zinter in there. I think he'd be the top IOL in this draft, or at least the top OG if not for the injury. Pretty substantial injury, but he's supposed to be ready to go for camp. He also has a little positional versatility.

I agree, it'd be tough to move him. I don't think it'd be even a discussion until Myers was gone and he was signed to an extension.

Ok...and is anyone acting like we're just happy to be here as the 3 seed and that a 1st round loss would be anything less than an unmitigated disaster? I don't see anyone re-writing history. I'm not quite as despondent as some are, but...I have yet to see one person call or refer to this season thus far as any type of success.

I agree. Of all the moves they made...in hindsight, getting 3 1sts and this absurd haul for Rodgers is the most appealing, but it just wasn't feasible at the time. Back to Back MVPs and it appeared like Love made a big jump between '22 and '23 and even then, he was pretty bad the first half of the season. As for leverage, maybe they had it, maybe they didn't. I don't think Murphy coming out and talking about how much they'd hoped to trade Rodgers helped. It's a moot point now though. Just a passing comment on how it'd be nice to have the 10th pick.

He was rotating back and forth with the 1st team in camp. Gutekunst said when he was drafted, he thought his best position was Center. It's certainly not a guarantee that they'll be able to get the OT they want or draft one in Rd1, but the question was about the Packers long-term Center.

They were also expecting Bakh back...and if you'll recall, he was getting snaps at both Center and RT. It does add up. They want the best 5 players out there. Myers happened to be one of the best 5. He's a pending FA. I'm also trying to figure out where on Earth I said "because they brought someone in means they're going to draft them?" Did I miss that? I've actually said the opposite, the Packers tend to not draft the players they bring in for the top 30 picks. How did this become about pre-draft visits at all?

I don't see really any upside to bringing Kemp in.

Gutey answered that pretty clearly. They didn't have an OT with a rd 1 grade on them after Wright was gone. Last year was a particularly weak OT class. THIS year is a particularly deep OT class.

It's been pretty well known that Tom's best position is Center since he came out. And the timing of the statement is just when Rob decided to share it...assuming it's true. I don't think the Packers are real big on smokescreens. They were conntected with Love, Watson, Wyatt, Jaire, Jackson all before the draft. I don't recall any disinformation from them.

It actually looked to me like he did make that play...and with a little better footwork at 1B by Martinez there and his stretch is up the line a bit more, he gets to it. In any event, outstanding play and showed a bigger arm than advertised, but couldn't quite convert.

Letson is probably the most exciting of the night for me. He or Knoth, but as a 11th(?) rd pick out of a cold weather state and limited exposure, to be pitching at low A already and show the type of stuff he did and the different pitches, that's incredibly impressive. Knoth is great as well, but you more expect it. As for Pratt...he's just one of those kids that looks like they've got the irrational confidence that they believe they belong from the jump...and I love it. You have to have some of that to thrive at such a young age, but he just seems like a kid who lives and breathes the game and loves playing and grinding. When you combine that with that frame, bat speed, his hands, that's a helluva package.

So...3 drafts. And they traded up several times before that. He gave up multiple 2nds to trade up for Watson. In two of those 3 years he didn't trade up, he did acquire higher first rd picks via trade. He's openly said he's open to trading up or using picks to acquire veterans this year given his draft capital. I don't think it's so outrageous that to suggest would have to be sarcastic. Obviously, he was tongue-in-cheek about the fan reaction, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see the Packers move up 6-8 spots in this draft. Particularly given the recent comments about Tom as a center.

When you say value, what do you mean? Obviously, they're nowhere near Giannis/Dame, but I think you could very easily trade either, get back pretty valuable assets. The players are likely going to be roster filler and I'd expect a couple of 1sts from a good team, one from a middling team(Houston for example). We do have our 1st this year and a mid 2nd. So we've got another shot at drafting young talent. We're going to have to get a little lucky and hit on someone like a Desmond Bane type if we're going to extend this window. Ironically, he was drafted with what was originally our pick. The Bucks were also trying to move up for Jalen Williams a couple of years ago. I think they know they need to utilize this draft and that time is running out.

I'm not sure if that's the case...if anything, I think the pendulum has swung back more toward CB after his workout...albeit one lacking the 3-cone and short shuttle. He's such a good athlete that even if he is a safety, I'd gladly take him and pair him with McKinney. You can play each in the box, single high...whatever, they'd be interchangeable. The Packers are also apparently very high on Tom at Center per Rob Demovsky who said someone in the building said he's "a Pro-Bowl Tackle, an All Pro Guard and a HOF Center." That's great and I think we've talked about him quite a bit at Center. That'd tell me they're really looking at an OT prospect. Fautanu makes the most sense there with where the Packers are drafting and how realistic they can move up without giving up too much draft capital.

No, he fit the exact parameters of what Jopal was asking and he wasn't a comp to anyone, his underlying metrics meant nothing or had nothing to do with this conversation.

I think you guys are maybe...overstating the impact of a shoulder surgery. They sure and they're awful, but you're describing it like he's not going to be able to do anything for the next year and then it's going to cost him all this muscle and now his entire career trajectory is off. If his body changes long term because of a shoulder injury, he wasn't going to be a stud anyway. In 6 weeks, he'll be able to be working on his legs and core and just working out. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up STRONGER because he spends the year focused on rehabbing rather than the daily grind of playing baseball where it's EVERY day all summer and you're far less likely to be spending the time you should be in the Gym. If Jacob Misiorowski misses a year, I'd be 100% with you. Quero will still be a very young catcher by the time he's healthy next year. A 22 year old Catcher in AAA on the doorstep of the big leagues? We'd all say he moved very quickly.

I don't think it's on that level. Woodruff was hurt right before the playoffs last year headed into a very winnable series vs the eventual NL Champs. Quero is a 21-year-old catcher who's already extremely advanced and he'll recover. He doesn't have to throw 100 pitches at maximum effort every 5th day. He was on the verge of the bigs. He'll sit out, maybe play some Winter ball and he'll be back next year and it sucks...but it may even end up working out better for the Brewers service time wise given they have an AS Catcher at the moment.

Of course there's some bias as I watch him more, but I really like Kolek early Rd2 if he's there for the Bucks. He seems like the type who could come in right away, be the backup PG, play solid defense, but mostly on offense camp out, and knock down some corner 3s.

I'm pretty sure you just get the right to buy into the MLB Health Insurance for the rest of your life. I believe 43 days of service time gets you a 34K pension though...so really get 43 days!

The Eagles are designated the Home Team, the Packers the Road team. The Packers will still have 9 home games this year.