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He looks like a great young prospect, but what made people really take notice of Made and now think Made is one of the ELITE prospects in the game? His exit velocity. Why was Misiorowski a top prospect. He threw 104 MPH, his stuff was absolutely filthy. Hernandez is a very mature pitcher, but... he's throwing 90-91, correct? And by all means, correct me if he took a jump and I missed it. I hope he adds some weight and matures and can throw in the mid 90s. He's only 19, so it's possible. And I know(or... assume) you're being a bit hyperbolic... but I think the reason he doesn't appear that high is because.. those levels aren't really results based. They're driven by stuff. I hope he becomes a crafty pitcher. I think being a RHP it'll be a bit tougher and his smaller frame(5'11 155 is... small). But maybe he's Freddy Peralta.

I loved Kenny Clark. I didn't think he was expendable, but I certainly thought and... still think that trade was a great trade. I thought this was likely to be Clark's last year in Green Bay given his cap hit. But I agree, losing Clark hurt. We've had time to make up for his run defense which... at least according to PFF is not great this year(though he's been a very good pass rusher). I believe Jones wanted a DT because every report from every team seems to come with that caveat. He wanted to trade with the Jets for Quinnen Williams and 2 1sts... but the Jets said they didn't' have the resources(they didn't want to pay him). Now even Williams is the subject of trade rumors and HE is rumored to be available for a Day2 pick and he's younger and playing at a much higher level than Clark. So I don't think Clark was going to get more than a 5th or later with his age and contract and I think he was likely playing his final year in Green Bay. There were reports the Packers tried to make the trade without Clark as it did leave us vulnerable to start the season, but Jones insisted. But if you believe Jones or the other rumors that seem to confirm that... I don't think it really matters. The Packers gave up 16 points to the Panthers. The defense has done it's job in every game but one. And even that game, they were dominant until ST's and a strip sack in the last 20 seconds of the half got the Cowboys back into the game. The problem is the offense. Carolina couldn't stop the Packers... penalties and a slow, methodical style of play cost the Packers that game. The run defense was bad... but this is on Love the OL, MLF. Most of the Packers struggles have been on that side of the ball.

I think it'll be Baldwin/Horton and then Durbin... And that's fine. Cubs lose a year of service time on Horton in that case... so that's something.

I agree with all of this.

That makes the decision to make Brinson a healthy scratch all the more confusing. Or to not go out and get Mike Pennel... a really effective run stuffer who just this past week asked for and got his release from the Bengals and who in the off-season said he wanted to retire a Packer. But sure, in game... I'm not complaining about the DL not stopping the run better. I'm saying this team should be good enough to overcome that. And they were on defense. 16 points. What did we have yesterday? A fumble in the Redzone, at least 1 turnover on downs, a pick when we were driving. That 2nd turnover on downs came just outside of the redzone I believe. No, the offense should be good enough to overcome that. If Carolina can dictate the pace of place IN Green Bay... I mean... that's ridiculous. You go out and get a dominant pass rusher and he's dominant exactly how you hoped he would, you pay your QB like a franchise QB... and he's mostly playing like you hope he would. And we're playing a slow, methodical game. It reminds me of the Packers under McCarthy when the Packers wouldn't get much offense going until they had to go tempo and put the game more in Rodgers hands and they'd get something going.

The whole plan with the OL seems to have backfired. MLF or Gutey... whoever was behind the decision, they went from a more athletic zone blocking scheme to wanting bigger, gap scheme with more bigger OL and it's... really not working out. Especially along the interior. That doesn't' really explain Jenkins. I don't think he's been quite as bad as you. I think he's been better than Myers, but that's also a really low standard. He was particularly bad yesterday. Derrick Brown is a nice player and all, but... shouldn't be enough to wreck your OL. DL... Brinson and Wooden were out by the end, but you just had a guy like Mike Pennel who has been a really good run stuffer, a guy who has said he wanted to come back to GB. He was just a FA last week. You have to know Stackhouse isn't... good yet. Maybe he will be. I don't think that's the case. I see now why Brinson was drafted ahead of him. But as frustrating as it was at times, the inability to stop them on that last drive, this was still about 90% on the offense. Whatever identify the Packers had on offense, they just lost in Kraft. The defense wasn't great yesterday, but... they held them to 16 points. They allowed Carolina to control the clock at times and have long drives, but that shouldn't be enough. I know the identify is supposed to be Jacobs and he's done his job, but all we've really done is gone to a more run heavy offense, but a less efficient offense after Love's 1st year starting when we seemingly started a transition from a zone scheme to a gap scheme. Jacobs is durable and he's worth what he's getting, but we're pretty predictable. He's not making guys miss, he's running through arm tackles and falling forward. But that's not much without hitting on the big plays and the big plays we're hitting on are either Kraft running for 60 yards or recently Watson coming down with a contested catch. This team has such swings that it's baffling to me. At least you can address the FA mistakes without huge hits after this season, but I'd rather see this team come out and try and establish the PASS first and then use the run game. I don't think we'll do that and I don't think the run game is going to be real effective vs Philly. But we'll see.

The Kraft injury is just brutal. I like Musgraves a lot. I think he's a nice TE, but Kraft was becoming one of the best TEs and he is just so physical after the catch. But more than that, with this identity they're trying to establish on offense... that doesn't make sense to me. This more slow, methodical offense, he was the guy who'd pick you up on 3rd and 10, just blast through a CB and pick up the 1st down. As for the Panthers trying to slow this game down... yes, that sure be their plan. And you should be good enough to not allow them to.

What does that even mean, "don't be a cheapskate?" LOL...how does that even play into the conversation? And I know exactly what you're talking about. The IMMEDIATE paragraph before Contreras comments are about how the Brewers have made... 0 offers. Haven't started discussions. But sure, it's "crystal clear" what he "mean." Other times like when he explicitly states he's open to, then... you really gotta read in between the lines, right?

Yup. It's that time of year. Time for people... mostly on Twitter("X" sounds like an adult website) yell for the Brewers to sign... Bichette or Tucker... "cheap" Mark Attanasio should open his wallet... etc... This year, I really don't care. It's not an indifference towards the Brewers, I'm pretty content with the exact team we have under team control next year. I'd LIKE to see if they could do something with Woodruff. I'd LIKE Kyle Finnegan. I'd LIKE Caleb Ferguson as a LHed reliever who gets GBs and soft contact. But... I really think you run it back with this exact team, you have Vaughn a full year, some guys who can fill in like Lara, maybe Mitchell is healthy... also be nice if someone like Pratt can force the issue, but even at SS, I think Joey Ortiz will be a 700+ OPS guy. His BABIP should be higher than .260 by about 40-50 points...70 points if he's lucky.

(This is a long post... and yes, many of mine are, but this one in particular because I feel pretty strongly about the risk/reward... which I get to at the end in the bolded part). Well... again, yes, I get injury is an issue... but by evoking Strasburg, you're adding... ~150M more on a contract for a pitcher with 10-years on his arm. So I thought that was a really bad comparison. -Very rare injury for a pitcher -Through his late 30s -Paying for what he's already done, not for what you're projecting him to do How about a Corey Kluber? He signed a 5 year extension with two TOs. AT the time it was 35M with 2 TOs. He went on to win a Cy Young, was a dominant pitcher... until the TO came up and he got hurt at the... but because he was still signed below market value, the Guardians got Emanuel Clause out of trading him. Incidentally, they signed him to a pre-arbitration deal as well...after serving a season long suspension in 2020 for PEDs and... that contract has also provided enormous surplus value as well. Now contracts are getting bigger so Misiorowski's will also get bigger(the Brewers revenue is also growing quite a bit with the 48% revenue share they get from MOST teams local revenues and TV deals, though there's some shady accounting and still major financial discrepancies... but the latter part is why it makes sense. If he's an ace and gets within 3 years of the Free Agent market, we'll be having the same conversation we're having about a catcher which is really... "we won't be able to afford him anyway," dressed up as "he doesn't want to sign a contract extension. As for the 50M, if you're assuming Misiorowski is a super 2... and I doubt he will, but he'll be going into 4 years of arbitration, not 3, he'll already have been named to an All-Star game and just as of now, he was one of the most overpowering pitchers in the post-season. In a year in which most of us didn't even think he would or should get called up. He pretty much held the pitching staff together and gave the Brewers a punchers chance vs the Dodgers after helping them finish the Cubs... it's not his fault we didn't decide to actually throw any punches vs the Dodgers. Ok, I guess when you said "I'd rather sign Made/Pena/Dinges," it read to me like we had to pick. But fine, we don't need to pick. I agree. I think when you have talent like Chourio, Made, Misiorowski, you sign as many of them as you can to pre-arbitration deals. It's not going to work out a lot of time, but signing him from 24-31 gives you his MOST valuable 8-year period and you're paying for the right to pick up the final two years at 30 and 31. It also enhances his value in a trade. I don't think TJ is a risk that is a big enough deterrent. In fact, I'd argue the risk of TJ is just as good of a reason to sign him as not. Pitchers are not only coming back from TJ at an extremely high rate. A 96% return to play rate for pitchers in their 20s and they're actually coming back and pitching longer and they're often adding velocity(though I don't have a number to quantify that). https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6664469/?utm_source=chatgpt.com The other risk a shoulder surgery-That's a more significant risk. Though, even with the Capsule injury Woodruff had, players are coming back more and more from that. Ashby and Woodruff just in Milwaukee. The Thoracic outlet Surgery is an extreme example and pretty rare for pitchers in their prime. So sure, the INJURY that happened to Strasburg is a worse case scenario... but you have to see how you're REALLY limiting that risk by signing him his for years ~24-31 vs the 7 years Strasburg signed up for at 30 for his 31-37 seasons. Misiorowski has the best pure stuff of ANY player to don a Brewers Jersey. I think an 8/100M deal with 2TO is WELL worth it. Most realistically, I'd assume he'd want a 6 year deal with the 2 TOs, but those team options are extremely valuable. ----- Ultimately, I'm looking as Jackson Chourio-8 more years, Jesus Made-If he keeps developing, he'll be a part of the team Misiorowski's 3rd season in the league. Potentially the same with Pena, Adamczewski, Dinges, Adams, Wilken, Quero, Lara, Cooper Pratt, Fischer, Burke and then on the pitching side, Letson, Knoth, Hardin, whomever else we've developed by then. Maybe Alexander Mercedes the 2026 IFA who's already throwing 92-94 is a top 10 prospect in Baseball and a 22-23 year old phenom himself by then(that's just to make a point, but it's all about keeping this window with this group of players that I'M of the opinion... make up a once in a lifetime core and keeping them together for 5-6 years. Give me 4 guys who the franchise has conviction in, Jackson Chourio, Jesus Made, Luis Pena and Jacob Misiorowski... try and sign ALL FOUR of them to pre-arbitration contracts and if the worst happens and one of those players is a bust(or specific to this conversation has an injury that costs him his career, then you're getting your money back from his insurance policy. But if you're right, you've created so much excess value and you've kept a group of guys who could be not just stars, but MVP and CY Young players around a core of other really good hitters, this is your best shot to combat the Dodgers just going out and signing an extra ace or two in free agency and they should be about the same as the AAV of Yamamoto and Blake Snell at MOST in any one season.

This is why I post the link rather than taking one sentence out of a long article and provide zero context. As I remember it, he was talking about playing everyday and getting himself ready and trying to be the best, then after saying there hadn't been any conversations about a contract extension from the Brewers side(similar to past big names like Burnes at that point) he said "I'm not interested in that, I'm here playing my game, and I know my time is going to come." Not "interested in that," directly after they say they've(the Brewers) have made no offers or talks with him reads to ME like he's not interested in TALKING about it. Like he's interested in playing right now and worrying about right NOW. Especially when you consider he said both before that AND after that... pretty strongly, that he'd like to spend his entire career in Milwaukee. It also feels like it's easier to say... as a Brewers fan, 'well, what could we do? He didn't want to sign anyway,' when... he's been pretty public about it when... you don't make the effort to approach you with any offer.

LOL... I'm honestly confused when this became an argument...

Ok, I don't know where this went sideways... it seems like it was back somewhere in the "transactional family," part, but we're suddenly... kinda talking past each other. When someone says, "nobody thinks that," I don't think they literally mean not one single person. "Nobody wants a nuclear war." Well... I mean, I'm sure there are in fact SOME people that do... or at least will say they do. Some outliers. I haven't seen anyone say "Willy should have stayed here," especially without knowing what we even offered, but I suppose you're right. I did not read every post about this and someone could have. He only came up because I said your first loyalty should be to your family, and Woodruff and Adames were two guys who I think were pretty loyal, but there's a balance. Your Family has to be your priority. I would say if you think Adames was "disloyal," you're... pretty clueless and I'd guess a hypocrite as I'm guessing you(royal you... not literally you as an individual) would likely take the extra ~70 million dollars. Likewise, if Woodruff hits Free Agency and is offered 3/75 and we're only offering the QO or 3/45, then I will hold zero ill-will and I would expect most of the fanbase to feel the same.

I think you underestimate the desperation for pitching. He showed the shoulder was good. I don't think the Lat is a big deal. I'm not saying he gets it, but... I think it's possible. 5/100, 5/115. Or 2/50. I'm still hoping it's closer to the later as I think that keeps us in the discussion, but... we'll see.

That's true. I always want another guy, the guys I want are never in the discussions and the Brewers pretty much always have enough guys. I wonder what he is going to get? Seems like he could be a really solid 2B. Seems like if Tucker is going to get 400M, he should be able to get 200M, but there doesn't seem like there's a ton of talk about his impending free agency. I haven't really seen him, but does he just lack range, is it his arm? I say we just sign him, Kyle Tucker... Kyle Schwarber, Kyle Hendricks.... really, any Kyle on the market. We just need some "Bobby Bonilla type deferred money!" Tucker gets 10M a year and then 5M a year from 2036-2096, Schwarber 1M a year, we'll only give him 30 years of deferred payments.

... I don't think anyone does.

I was thinking of Buehler as a cheap alternative. I wouldn't have him in the same group as Woodruff. Woodruff I think could get 9 figures... potentially. I'd give Buehler maybe 4M or a mutual with a 2M buyout on a 1-year deal. If it's Woodruff or Buehler, I'll take my chances with MiLB depth to fill those innings over Buehler. Meaning I'll piggyback with Wichrowski or Hardin AFTER Henderson, Gasser and all those guys. There are already a few who'll start the year in AAA and some who won't earn a job in the rotation. But Woody I see as a co-Ace to Peralta. Buehler I see as a guy who hopefully we could get back, but more of a back of the rotation type.

Yes... it would. The US Navy would be decimated by a War with China fought off the coast of China. I didn't say they'd lose... but they sure as hell don't "win" much there. It's about who is losing more. U.S.-based war-game analyses show... their air craft carries in particular would be vulnerable... again, OFF THE COAST of China. This would leave the US Navy a shell of what is currently is. And it's not the US Navy vs the Chinese Navy of the tonnage of the ships, it's the US Navy taking strikes from Mainland China. We're not fighting China's Navy in equal footing here. Chinese Supersonic missiles being lobbed at our aircraft carriers would be... devastating. It'd be devastating for China as well, but to say it wouldn't be for the US Navy??? How? That doesn't mean the US would lose the War, it means it may win it at an ENORMOUSLY high cost that would leave our armed forces... in VERY rough shape. Xi isn't Putin. China's not Russia. China is disciplined and they have a long term plan. This "if they attack Taiwan," has been going on forever. They're not going into Taiwan... BUT, again, if they do, it'd be absolutely devastating to all sides, the US Markets. It wouldn't seriously hurt the economy, it would destroy it. If we agree that AI is propping up our Economy... then... what happens when you lose VIRTUALLY all of your access to the very thing that's propping up said economy? Ok... well, I guess it just seemed a bit cavalier. Stubbing my toe is seriously painful... I'd say having to get my leg amputated on a table like they did in the Civil War... while also being "seriously painful" is on a whole other level.

I hope so. It's early, but it's a REALLY fun team to watch. They play hard, aggressive and they can shoot it. Kuzma is... difficult to watch and Turner hasn't really found his footing on offense, but he will. But it's so nice seeing Rollins play. AJ Green also signed a contract that... I think is going to look really good the next 4 years. Couldn't really ask for too much more than what we're getting right now.

What? No. Nobody said your loyalty to your family should be transactional... but no, we're talking about more than Baseball. We're talking about players signing contracts. Adames "loyalty" should be to... his family. He SHOULD be taking the largest contract on the table(or at least within reason) to take care of his family for generations. I don't know how we came away with a transactional approach to Family from that.

Ok... sure, I'd rather win 3 more challenges and challenge 20 more times, but these supposes those lost challenges don't result in losing a challenge for a more important call in a game. If I'm 30% sure on an IF hit on a 3rd out in the 2nd inning, I'm not using a challenge just because... maybe we'll get it. I just don't see how you come to the conclusion the article did when you are omitting so many facts. This is an area the Brewers were bad at and they have to get better at? Based on what? Your hypothetical, sure, again, I'd agree with that, but I reject that they were bad because they didn't challenge a lot but were very successful when they did.

A War with China over Taiwan would... absolutely devastate BOTH economies, the Global economy... the Chinese Navy. The US Navy would be in trouble. I'm not sure if you're being a little facetious when you say it'll "hurt" the economy, but it'd make any previous market crash look tame IF that happened. I don't think China's ready to just obliterate it's own economy and military to change the status quo. They've been saber rattling for a long time... but taking Taiwan would be absolutely devastating. China's not stupid. They'll keep doing their war games... I don't think they're going to take Taiwan for TSMC when TSMC has already said... they'll just destroy their fabs rather than risk losing them to China. Also, I think when people are saying the "Economy is doing good/bad," it's important we're on the same page. The Economy sucks for people looking for a job or people trying to buy homes or... really the things that have a practical impact on most people's lives. The Stock Market is doing great. I haven't done a great job of articulating the two, but the market is great... the rest... not so much.

I'm certainly not touting the strength of the Economy as a whole. I think I went through all the troubling things happening. From hard data from defaults from Car loans at a ~15 year high or Credit Card defaults, employment numbers, CPI... 3 is the new 2 I guess. But I don't think the spending on AI is going anywhere. I think we're just scratching the surface of it. There's always companies that get overvalued before they go public. Private valuations don't mean much to me. But you just listen to what the largest companies in the world are saying, they're all spending more on GPUs than anticipated. We're also seeing more and more sovereign AI investments. South Korea just committed to a massive new investment. The UK, EU, Japan, India...

I did... he says the exact opposite to Curt Hogg... of the JSO. https://reviewingthebrew.com/posts/brewers-william-contreras-reportedly-open-to-extension-talks?utm_source=chatgpt.com I've seen you say he said that. I've never seen anyone report that he said that. Trying to parse out what he ACTUALLY means vs what he says is... I'm not doing that. Burnes was pretty clear. He said the Brewers couldn't afford him(we knew that). Contreras on the other hand... has literally said he wants to loves it here and he wants to spend his entire career here. So I don't know where this "Contreras has said he's not open to an extension," talk is coming from and saying basically 'go look it up,' isn't really telling me much. Neither is 'what he REALLY meant was....' I would assume he wanted to be paid well. I assume that with... every player. I'm not sure why Contrearas in particular is someone who we keep saying "isn't open to a contract extension." https://www.si.com/mlb/brewers/onsi/news-feed/williams-contreras-shares-stance-on-future-with-brewers-pat3 Now if you want to say that's just player speak or... whatever, fine. I didn't say we were going to sign Contreras. I'm just questioning this narrative that he said he WASN'T open to it.

I'm not being coy, you're comparing a top of the market free agent extension... for a guy coming off a World Series MVP with a pre-arbitration contract. 30M for Super 2 and arbitration is... extremely... optimistic(or maybe pessimistic is more appropriate as if he's only getting 30M, it'd be a bit disappointing) Every contract is a gamble. Literally every one. Jesus Made is a gamble(this also isn't a choice between Made and Misiorowski). Of course there's more risk with pitchers, does that mean you just don't ever sign an extension? We'll see how it plays out. They were interested earlier this year, I personally hope they can come to an agreement as I think he's going to be a TOR arm for several years.