BrewerFan

Yeah... I agree. That's why I'm saying a cap wouldn't do anything for the Brewers. They'd still lose Woodruff(if they wanted to keep him) or anyone else. They wouldn't be able to suddenly spend more, other teams would just spend less. And you'd never sell that to MLBPA. But they do. So there's... really nothing the Brewers can do that can put them on equal footing. The Brewers had a top ~4-6 farm system, #1 per BA(I think that was with Mis). You sign Snell when you have Ohtani, Yamamoto, Glasnow... probably 5-6 pitchers who'd slot in behind Mis and ahead of Bishop in our prospect rankings... it's just kinda silly at that point. This isn't the Yankees going out and signing a FA here or there. This is them and the Mets battling for basically every FA. A team on occasion gives a home grown guy a big deal, but... it's just getting further and further out of control. We're spending LESS than we were in 2018 and the Dodgers are spending....twice as much. The Mets even more before the luxury tax, though they'll get hit with it. The Red Sox and Yankees are being outspent. I wouldn't expect a huge change though. I'll hold out hope, but... I don't think we'll suddenly be able to spend 200M while the Dodgers can "only" spend 300M. We'll probably lose what would be Jesus Made's rookie year as we try and figure all this out, but there's no solution I see that other teams are going to be happy with. Boston, NYY, some of the big market teams that want to cap the spending, they're not going to want to cap the spending, then turn around and take a smaller piece of the pie. The Dodgers, Mets, they don't want to cap anything. In fact... they don't like the luxury taxes as it is. Then ~20 of the teams that are not able to spend anywhere near those teams, the Brewers, Indians, Twins, Royals, even the M's and the Tigers, White Sox, Reds, Pirates, Marlins, they want what the NFL has... and I think the ship has sailed there. Even if you had "equity," players want to play in... LA, Miami, LV, Chicago, NYC, for some reason Philly... so I don't expect parity. I'd just like to see the Brewers have a better chance to keep some of their own homegrown players, the Dodgers not be able to put off 73M of a 75M contract into the future so they save 60M in luxury taxes. And even if none of that happens, I'm still going to root for the Brewers because... what the hell else am I gonna do? Become a Dodgers fan? I'd be like rooting for the Empire in Star Wars. Hoping Luke can't hit the inexplicable weakness in the "Death Star," which was only there for aesthetic choices(not sure if that's true or not, but Family Guy said so, so... I'm gonna go with that... because it's fictional and I'm already on my own tangent). Plus... when Jesus is on your side(even if it's only for just shy of 7 years... you've got a shot).

Yeah... but we kinda do. That's not so much the problem as when they come back, they're not Cy Young winners all peaking. You could give Peralta some rest, he's not Blake Snell(when Snell is one, he's also a bit hit or miss). Our rotation next year, assuming Ashby returns to it will be Peralta Priester Patrick Misiorowski Myers Montgomery(that's just my own personal theory, we were willing to take him back to sign him to a cheap deal as he rehabs from TJ. Gasser Ashby Logan Henderson And then starters who seem more likely to star their career in the pen, Wichrowski, Hardin, Hunt, Letson(not sure he'll be ready next year, but perhaps in a BP role). We just ran into a buzzsaw in the Dodgers and... again, this REALLY wasn't the year we were supposed to be... at our best. That'll come with Fischer, Burke, Wilken, Adams, MADE, PENA, Dinges, Quero, Lara, Pratt... Chourio is ready to break out and become an MVP caliber player ...IMO. Yes, every year we have finished the season losing or winning in a meaningless game. The Dodgers are going to be flooded with talent, particularly because they develop it as well as the Brewers, but I'm not discouraged by this season. Not when I know how much we have on the way, how much young talent is already up here. In the end, I watched multiple 9+ game win streaks, 97 wins, a 26-4 stretch, the Brewers eliminate the Cubs in a year they went all in to get Kyle Tucker(who'll likely end up in LA again next year) and I know Jesus walks and he hits and he can play a damn good SS, 2B or 3B, wherever we need him. So I'll go into this off-season pretty optimistic.

I don't agree. From what I've heard, even the Yankees, Red Sox...Phillies, they want a cap. Problem is, a cap doesn't do anything other than give the wealthiest teams more money in the owners pocket. You need more/better revenue sharing. A cap... doesn't do much for the Brewers. You give them a cap, they still can't keep Woodruff. The Dodgers could keep Kershaw for ~20M a year just because... he was a legendary pitcher for them. Didn't even use him on the post-season roster and he'd have probably been our #2/#3 starter. NONE of this is to take away from the LAD. I'd sign Ohtani, Freeman, Snell, I'd gladly embrace the 2nd best Japanese prospect to ever come over(if you care to make the distinction between prospect and a player posting, Sasaki was a "prospect," and Ohtani was an established player, but a prospect as well as opposed to Yamamoto, Suzaki...). You need a true 60/40 revenue split. Make it an NBA type. You can spend and go over the cap to keep your own players. The REAL issue is how to you implement a cap... but not diminish the % of revenue the players get(and actually increase it as it's lower than the NFL/NBA).

Talk about some revisionist history; Don't care. Doesn't really change the point... at all BUT he literally owned "Selig-Ford," during the years he was trying to bring baseball back to Milwaukee. And how pre-tell was this history revised? Selig had been fighting prior to MLB reaching it's "Nadir," and that makes him trying to invest and bring a team, first the White Sox, THEN the Pilots back to Milwaukee... that much more ballsy. If it was super lucrative, it's really not quite as big of a risk, is it? Buying something that's guaranteed to make you a lot of money...I'm not sure how that's BETTER than investing when it's at it's "nadir." He fought to get the expansion franchises that went to Montreal, Seattle and Texas and San Diego. He brought MiLB games to County Stadium to prove that Baseball was still a draw in Baseball. He had the White Sox, who were struggling playing games in County Stadium(which ended up helping them). He had a handshake agreement to buy the White Sox. That didn't work out either when the Bowie Kuhn blocked that deal as well. So a 30 year old guy risked his financial security and you're points so far are... "baseball was at it's nadir," while adding 4 expansion franchises and that... somehow diminishes what Selig did? He was a 30 year old kid running a car dealership(which... is revisionist history I guess). The fact that he got some of the wealthiest people to invest in MLB at it's "nadir" would seem to make this MORE impressive, not less. I don't know what this has to do with... anything. Absolutely nonsense. The Brewers were financially competitive year in and year out during Selig's tenure(ending in 1992). They were in the upper tier of spending through the late 70s and 80s. Again, speaking of revisionist history. You've done this with Attanasio, just... for some reason assuming he owns the whole team. Selig owned about 1/3rd of the team. All the same, I don't see what the point here is. He was the Commissioner. He was no longer running the Brewers. He made more money as the commissioner of Baseball than he did selling the Brewers. What's just objectively true is during that time as commissioner, he made significant strides in revenue sharing, helped small market teams and spearheaded building a NEW PARK IN MILWAUKEE to ensure the Brewers would stick around. He's ENTIRELY different. He started out with a 100K dollar investment in the Brewers. He was 25 years old when he started his pursuit to bring a team Back to Miwaukee. He worked tirelessly the entire time to make sure Milwaukee had professional Baseball. To say he's no different than an y "of the hedge fund folks," who "invested in professional sports as an elite alternative asset," AT THE VERY TIME you for... some reason made a point to point out MLB was at it's lowest and teams were dealing with bankruptcy... how do you not see that MASSIVE disconnect? Are most the people who buy Professional Sports teams 25 and organizing a group to invest in such a BAD investment(again, that was YOUR argument)... So now he's closer to 30, but this is several years into his attempt to bring Baseball back, including what HE believed was a deal with the White Sox. But you somehow equate this to just... basically a rich guy(he wasn't) just buy a sports team because it's SUCH a good investment... at a time when teams were either GOING or facing Bankruptcy? Do you not see where your arguments don't just fall apart, but they crumble upon the slightest inspection? Well, the Jays are owned by a massive media conglomerate. You want to "trot" out the board of directors? Be my guess. It sorta misses the point. The Phillies? You mean... the team that's been in Philadelphia since 1883? You may be open to the difference is you disabuse yourself of the Notion that Bud Selig and his 100K investment in the downtrodden MLB team and his relentless effort to bring baseball back to the city was NOT in fact the same as some hedge fund guy who... saw a can't miss investment(that very much could miss) or if you better acquaint yourself with the Brewers financial competitiveness during the 70s and 80s when they regularly spent like the large market teams. In fact...Yount was a record setting contract. But hey, go get someone from the Phillies thread and tell me how an owner saved Baseball and is the entire reason there's professional Baseball in Philadelphia... and see if you can't change my mind.

The city owes far more to Selig than they do Uecker. At least if you're a Baseball fan. Uecker was loved and he hung around the clubhouse, but the guy who brought Baseball to Milwaukee and who... frankly, helped the Brewers develop an elite farm system with the supplemental picks and the IFA bonus pools and the revenue sharing, etc... You can't diminish what either did for the City... but..; the fact of the matter is, the Braves left. There was no Baseball. County Stadium Sat Empty. Selig, a Used Car Salesmen went and got the Seattle Franchise. Brought them to Milwaukee. He then brought Uecker and Aaron to Milwaukee as well. 9 years we'd have made the playoffs from the time he bought the team until he removed himself from the day to day running of the team after 1992(only to be brought back in to try and salvage the Molitor situation after Bando intentionally sabotaged the negotiations because he wanted to get younger despite the fact that Molitor would be one of the best hitters the next 5 years with over 1000 hits a .319./.381/.471 line.... but this is a side tangent). But he's also the guy responsible for keeping the Brewers in Milwaukee after bringing them back there... helping get Miller Park built in 1996. So no, I don't suppose you'd hear Woodruff talking about Selig, but players come and go. The TEAM that Selig brought here lasts. FINALLY, he also deserves credit as he, like Kohl could have sold the team and not worried about it, but he wanted to ensure the Brewers would remain in Milwaukee with their new owners and took less money to ensure the Brewers stayed in Milwaukee. Bob Uecker was Mr. Baseball. Johnny Carson, he was loved by all. There's no Bob Uecker as we know him without Bud Selig No Milwaukee Baseball(maybe a AAA team to Nashville rather than the other way around or something along those lines, but not MLB team). My Earliest memories were of going to games with my Dad. Staying out late on a school night to watch Molitor, Young and Gantner. I don't remember much, but I remember when Molly came to the plate. I was at Yount's 3000 hit game, Nolan Ryan's 300th win, I got Robin Young's 500th double(it was a ground ruled double that my Dad paid some guy 20 bucks for...went all the way behind the bleachers). So with respect, I don't really care about Brandon Woodruff's say on the matter. The Brewers are bigger than any player and any one person.

Or... they need Sasaki to meltdown like Williams did last year

I said we should try a couple years ago... but NT, then 10/5... and now who wants him? It'd take a WC team... not LAA. AZ MAYBE?

It can clearly come and go... He was under pressure on some of the biggest throws down the stretch two years ago... or just on some of his best plays as a Packer. But being "under pressure" doesn't really tell you much. When the Tackles are running the DE's 10 yards deep and the pressure is coming up the middle, he's been good. When the pressure DE's are dipping under the OTs and making Love escape the pocket... I'd imagine he's not much different than most QBs. Something is missing from the entire offense. A couple weak spots on the OL. Banks has not been worth that FA contract(they MAY get out of that one just 1 year in. Jenkins is starting to play much better, but then right next to him, Rhyan is absolutely terrible. Last year it was Myers. Tom is... alright(at this point) but he's not playing healthy out there. Rodgers is the only QB I saw who could almost elevate his play with a poor OL. He got the ball out quickly, on time, let the WRs make plays with the ball. Same could be said when he was banged up. That strained calf or the knee injury(namely vs the Bears). ; Good news- There's no great team in the NFL. The Packers have jumped out to two score leads in every single game. Bad news-They've allowed the other team to make it a 1 score game in 4 of those 5 and then come back and win one and tie another. Also, good news, Belton is a solid rookie. Not great, but pretty good. He's also massive upgrade on Rhyan. Watson looks to be coming back. That should open up the field. Bad news-They just look like they're taking their foot off the gas and letting average teams back in the games when they should be putting them away. There are reasons. The Browns have the best DL. The Bengals have extraordinary WRs. The Cowboys... well, I got no reason for that one. Tom and Walker-Need to take the inside away and give Love time to move around in the pocket and the IOL needs to create lanes for Love to step up and throw. Still, 3-1-1 and 2nd in the NFC and this has been a REALLY average last month and they should have time to get healthy and get back the two main additions. -Also, the turnovers will come. Last year we were lucky and created the most or 2nd most turnovers. This year... we've got virtually none. I don't see much coming in the way of help though. Not where we need it. We're not trading a 3rd for McCreary and trading for an OL? maybe LInderbaum if the Ravens keep losing since they're not re-signing him. I'd give up a 2nd for him if we get a 48 hour window to extend him, but... I doubt that'll happen. And it'd just replace Banks or Jenkins cap hits in 2026 or if they find a way to extend Jenkins, in 2027+.

Well... that too! I hope I've got a little more time than Selig{though I'm sure a LOT of people have thought the same!)

He'd be making the MLB roster roughly 1.5 years earlier than Chourio. I don't know that you can make an argument he's got hype that he's "better" than Chourio. I'd say they're pretty similar at this point. I don't this one is better than the other, but again, you want him up before Chourio was called up without the 10-years of team control Chourio's contract afforded us. But... if you were to use the same trajectory, in Chourio's age 18 season, he finished the year getting into 6 AA games. Made at age 18, he got into 5 AA games. Chourio-19 spent the season at AA, then... end of the season got some AAA PA's. Chourio was the #2/3 prospect heading into this season. So we're expecting Made to go from 27 HiA games, just a couple AA games to give him some extra ABs and now he's going to spend part of the year in AA before moving to AAA and then jump over Pratt... who played a full season in AA this year and should start next year in AAA and he's going to contribute to next years team? This would be like expecting Chourio a year earlier to jump over Frelick at 19 and get the call up to the OF.... except at a MUCH more important position. And then again, I'll reiterate, Chourio ALMOST certainly doesn't start the season last year with the Brewers(in fact many debated that he should have) if he signed a contract where the Brewers get 10 YEARS of team control. With Made, if you force him up for the end of the '26 season, not only is there a pretty strong argument that's NOT the best for the team... but you're then heading into the 2027 season which... may not happen. That's a year of team control or... maybe half a year(pretty much a near certainty that it's going to be a significant chunk of the season that will NOT be played and players will almost certainly get credit for it). So upside- At 19 he's better than any MLB option. That's an exceptionally unlikely scenario, but you start burning up service time that starts next year, may continue into '27 and by the time we have a full season again in '28 and he's... 21/22, he's got 6+ years of team control. OR a marginal upgrade at best and burn through service time at 18 or just after he turns 19 and watch him leave at 24-25 when he's just getting into his prime years? I'll add this. If made wants to sign a contract this year for the MLB team whereupon he gets a 12 year deal that is for teh same as Chourio got, maybe a little more... and there are some incentives in there in the event that he's markedly better than Alex Rodriguez at 19 years old or 20 years old, both seasons, he was not reason to be in the MLB, then I would be more than happy to consider that scenario. I don't imagine the Brewers will be however.

PRINCE Fielder? Ok... that tracks!

Yup... I'm not arguing with your logic, I see it... it's just this is kinda it. I hope if we see Myers(and I think we'll see Myers) that he's sharp. Don't want to go back and belabor this, but I REALLY wish you'd have gone with Hall, Henderson and Hoskins on this roster. Not entirely sure who they'd have been over. I guess Gasser, Lockridge. But, these are the horses we've got. I don't think any of this matters unless Turang and Yelich can put together some good at bats.

I don't think there's anyone sitting. The 6 out save was a lot, but... it's the playoffs. You go into the 9th with a 1 run lead and lets say you've used up Koenig, Megill, Ashby... who else are you going with? I'd rather Patrick be down for tonight. But... we'll see.

REALLY have to win tonight. The way they lost that game yesterday... go down 2-0 and heading to LA... with Glasnow and...Ohtani... Just... trying to move past how is little temporary "Rawlings" tattoo on the back of Turang's leg would have tied last night up, but... it's all good!

Yeah, I understand how runs score with the bases loaded.. but you didn't address the average. Just that... 2 people score on a base hit(which isn't always the case at all). A sac fly scores one... unless there are 2 outs and then there's no sac fly. And Made came up and played like 3 games in AA. You assuming this 18 year old kid is going to jump to the MLB level is... WAAAY too much. You're assuming he's appreciably AHEAD of Chourio's pace... while playing SS. I HOPE he's Jackson Chourio. Though... on that front, he's spending probably most of last year(at LEAST part of last year) in the minors if he doesn't sign that 8 year extension with 2 TOs. He came up and he struggled pretty badly. Took him a while to adjust. -I don't actually think it's fair to expect him to be Chourio(but at SS)... but rather... well ahead of Chourio at SS... for a team with World Series Aspirations. I suspect Ortiz would out-perform Jesus Made next year late in the season and post-season.

Ok, but in fairness, every year we lost, people would talk about how "we need to win one for Uecker, get one before Ueck dies." And.. that would have been big. But, it's also be nice to get one before Selig passes.

Stand in there and take that Turang!

Just... find a way Brice. C'mon!!!

Contreras red zones are down and in... that's where Treinen throws the ball. Just... ONE swing here... c'mon!

I'm trying... one swing of that bat could really convince me!

GREAT AB for Yelly. Just... go the other way here William!

One time here Yelly...

2nd and 3rd.. 1 out! LETS GO JACKSON!!!!!!!

Keep the pressure on Sasaki here. Don't expand... Give Chourio a shot...

He'll get one... but you have to keep them where they are.