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True... don't mean to be unfair to META... they're all awful.

On that, Jason Wilde says they're close to a contract extension. They've had an offer on the table for the last week and per Wilde, Elgton Jenkins, telegraphing what may be an extension, asked Wilde... out of nowhere "you looking for Quay?" And then proceeded to call Quay over. Wilde said the contract SOUNDS like it's close, but... that's it. I don't think you can trade Walker away. Doubs, Walker, Rhyan... I'm sure I'm forgetting someone, but they're gone and in 2027, we'll likely get a 3rd, 4th and a 5th I'm just guessing, plus perhaps a couple of 6th or 7th rd picks. I think everything right now is about the next 3 years before Parson's cap hit jumps to 60M and Love's takes a big jump as well. Love will be restructured and I'm sure Parson's will as well short of anything... unfortunate happening, but his cap hits are very low the next 3 years relative to his contract, so.... it's 3 all in years. So that's the difference between Thompson and Gutekunst. Gutekunst is willing to POSSIBLY be bad in 4 years to go for it right now... and Thompson just wanted to give the Packers a chance every year and never get in cap trouble. The cap is so much larger you can navigate it more easily now. But how good the Packers are in 4 years will depend soo much on picking the right players to extend and then really drafting well with the picks we do have the next 2 years. We've seen teams(the Rams) who managed to stay competitive without 1st Rd picks because they kept hitting on their later picks. Facebook is just a cess pool is entirely made up News across the board on everything. Every topic...

Also rumor that a couple teams inquired about Quay Walker... but the Packers are working on an extension. Saints and Dolphins both inquired and offered a 4th and 5th respectively. Turning down a 4th from a bad team tells you a lot of their feelings on Quay. I'd say higher than the average fan, but it feels like right now the average fan loves every player on this defense...

I haven't heard it addressed... but him going 7 innings 2 starts ago was a bit surprising. I think if he were throwing like Skenes, they'd push it and he'd be starting through the post-season. I also was still under the probably antiquated idea that you didn't want to increase by more than 25-30 innings a year but the base could be 120. So you wouldn't want Mis to throw more than 120. Even 10 years ago I think you'd push that with a World Series at play, but today I'm just guessing, they're still worried about IP but more focused on pitches, high stress pitches. They can probably measure fatigue better. I don't know, I'm guessing at the last part. We seem like we've been pretty good about limiting injuries to pitchers, but we've kinda been hit all at once the last few weeks.

I don't spend much time on IGTs... the swings are too much, BUT... I was always a little surprised looking at Williams numbers and then correlating them with the feeling I got watching him. I mean, he got the outs and saves. I just didn't feel great about a guy who didn't have that big Fastball anymore and he blew up pretty badly 3 post-seasons. But... he was pretty damn good otherwise.

I'd really like to see Woodruff re-signed... and short of that an attempt. If we can't... I don't think there's anything else that makes a whole lot of sense. At least nothing obvious. They could make a big move for a guy under team control... but who would that be? Doesn't seem like it'd be Jose Ramirez and I'd rather not trade Made or Pena for him at this point anyway.

Yeah... he's definitely not worth giving up for a 6. With this defense, the run game, I'm pretty confident he could keep us in just about any game in the regular season and win games vs teams like the Browns or Cowboys.

They did. They offered a 6th apparently.

No, probably not... though, he can move and I don't know how mobile Browning is(I don't think I can remember one Browning game since Washington played Alabama).

He and his Father seem pretty damn confident about him... and from everything coming out of GB, he THINKS it'll be sooner. Also, 13.5M makes you think... the Packers feel fairly confident he's going to be back this year. 8M for a guy who misses the whole year is a fair deal.... but we'll see. They initially wanted to get a the Vikings 32nd pick... which still would have been an overpay(using the old chart) for the 2 2nds. 13.5M is almost exactly what the 5th year option would have been. So that seems like a number they just kinda went off of. ~4M mark on Watson, not much later on Tom. Also, Tom with a "torn oblique?" If that's true... I don't care how "minor" it is, just throw him on IR and make sure he heals up. Cleveland, Dallas and a Bye. You don't need to push through it at this point in the season.

Yeah, I've seen that. Talking about how they should have drafted Carter and that's more important than RT. That's... revisionist(from them IMO). They desperately needed an OT for the young QBs who they've paraded through their, a #2 overall pick, the #11 pick and now the #1 pick. I think Wright is just about one of the good decisions Poles has made. I haven't watched this year real closely. I saw he got beat on some bad technique, but I thought he'd been one of the few bright spots the last couple years for the Bears on offense. I did see that Davenport sack where he just does a little up and under and beats Wright. IDK man... they really just seem cursed. Imagine if they'd just kept Fields, traded back when they got the Panthers 1st pick, taken Joe Alt, Odunze seemed like a good pick. But it's everything else. Loveland instead of Warren. Taking a punter in the 4th rd. You do that when you're finishing a team. They weren't finishing! I remember Merrill Hodge who has been...shockingly accurate on some QB predictions and he said he'd piss off his OL by leaving the pocket early. Him, Thuney... I kinda thought they were fine. It's Dalman, Jackson and then Braxton Jones...speaking of bad PFF grades, he's bad IMO. I also thought Kiran Amegadjie and then Trillo this past year were both good young OTs and... I think they were both healthy scratches. So they're not doing something to develop OL. And I might be wrong on Wright or maybe he's just struggled this year, but get rid of Poles! I mean, I hope they don't, but trading an early 2nd for Claypool, trading a 2nd for Sweat when... he was going to be a FA and then paying him market value. Early 2nd, that's where you draft OL. Maybe not OTs, but OGs... I'm enjoying it though. Maybe they let Wright leave, we pick him up cheap and finally a team leaves one NFCN team and he actually gets better.

Packers brought in Dorian Thompson-Robinson for a workout. Almost certainly just part of their weekly Tuesday workouts, but... maybe there is a correlation here. https://nfltraderumors.co/packers-tried-out-five-players-including-qb-dorian-thompson-robinson/

Did ANY part of you think Colby Wooden was going to be at least a big PART of the answer to that run defense issue? Colby Wooden, some thought he'd be a better fit as a 4-3 DE. He was an athletic, 6'4 ~270LB DL coming out. He looks like a 295 DL who still has that quickness and his PFF grade may not be great, but he has been holding up at the point. I still think there's going to be a game or games that the other team sticks with the run and it can be an ugly game, but... I thought, particularly vs Detroit, it'd be a problem. Also, their whole "revamped OL," is a bit exaggerated. They did lost a stud. Glasnow is a good veteran, Mahogany was outstanding for them when he played last year and Ratledge is going to be very good. We just made them look bad! As long as they can play with Energy and tackle like they have been, with 7-8 Packer jersey's rallying, I feel pretty good... though, Barkley and the Igles still pose a problem. I see they've spoken very highly about Brinson vs the run, but... we'll see.

Don't expect this to be a real active thread this year, but I thought I'd make it for in-season moves. Trade deadline, maybe a PS signing... a trade rumor(unlikely we'd trade more picks, but possible). Clearly the Packers are not very motivated to win now... so don't expect any big moves! But seriously, Malik Willis. The Bengals have apparently inquired about him. I think he's just about the ideal backup for the Packers at this point. Mobile, been in the system a full year now, can help you get by a couple games with his legs. He's not a starter caliber QB IMO, but... the Bengals are desperate with Burrow out. I don't think he'd actually get the Bengals there, but they're kinda all in on this season as well, Trey Hendrickson has a 1 year deal, then he's a FA. 9-8 could be good enough to make the playoffs in the AFC, but the most optimistic you could be, Burrows misses 10 games and I think 3 are winnable. Anyway, with all that's hanging on this season, would you rather have a 3rd rd pick (hypothetically) or a more known commodity to go with this suffocating defense and great run game? Otherwise, what would it take to trade him?

It still doesn't feel real. I really hoped they'd get Garrett, but I thought it'd cost more than 2 1sts+Clark and I was also a bit hesitant about Garrett's age(not that I'd have been against it). I thought... 2 1sts, a 3rd+ maybe even a guy like Cooper. Now it's up to the offense to make damn sure Jordan Love is the week 4 starter and NOT Malik Willis!

We're pretty much playing Joe Barry schemes. We played a league low man coverage in 9% of the snaps the first two weeks. That was what everyone was upset with Barry for. Sitting back in coverage. Obviously we have LBers who are long and more athletic, but I think Hafley is just making the scheme work with the personnel. Nixon can run and hit. I thought he would make a good safety for those skills, but he's doesn't have great agility. So, they're not asking him to stay in Jameson Williams back hip, they're just asking him to carrying him up the field and if he's not going deep, passing him off to the safety and he's doing a GREAT job jumping anything in front of him and driving on the ball. I think it's basically a Cover 3 Match that Seattle played mixed with a Cover 2, but our LBers aren't really taking that deep drop like that Tampa Two. In THAT type of defense, I'm good with a player like him. He's definitely proven he can be a pretty solid CB. Last year in coverage, he was one spot above the middle for CBs. I thought it was 112 out of 225, but I could be wrong. But he's always been aggressive, physical and now maybe more confident plus the pressures? At the time though, we were talking about how this defense was going to get better. Again, the 'we didn't always have the personnel to play the way we wanted to,' Hafley is a guy who played a good deal of Man and now he's playing almost none. Also, we are playing almost zero snaps with 3 CBs. That makes the depth a bit less concerning. You're also absolutely right, we do have more than one guy who can rush the passer. Gary was a top 20 ranked edge. That's good. You get the breakout it seems like LVN is giving you and you can have a solid defense. ONE guy can always be eliminated(though Dexter Lawrence is trying to disprove that). We did it to Aaron Donald a few times and he is about as good at his best as anyone since Reggie/LT. Him and JJ Watt. But we found a way to slide, chip, double. Gary, Wyatt, LVN and then well timed blitzes are so important. Another thing he did, I don't think we blitzed much vs Detroit, but we blitzed the 2nd fewest in the NFL in 2024. Jayden Daniels struggles vs the blitz(as do most QBs). We blitzed him 32% of the snaps last night and on 23% of his drop backs. 3/11 for 30 yards and I think one of them was on the Ertz TD, but you got off the field and he's making the adjustments he needs to. Other than that, Barryn Sorrell looked REALLY good re-watching the game and so did Wyatt. If he stays healthy, he's going to get a big payday. Maybe a 3 year extension right now may be called for. He is 28 by the time of his 5th year option, so I'd consider that. The only negatives I could find on that side of the ball were a couple bad plays by Quay...even then, the missed tackle on Ertz is a tough play to make when you're going one way and he's going the other on that crossing route. Cooper maybe left a couple big plays on the field... I guess. Xavier McKinney didn't have a pick when he should have. It's so nitpicky with the defense. I feel like we could have been up both games by 4TDs in the 4th Quarter. I would expect a lot of 3 man routes moving forward and a lot of max protect. I just hope we're doing the same vs Myles Garrett. He might be the only DE in the league better than Parsons and even Tom is gonna need some help. Good test for the OL. *Also... Anthony Belton played well and that holding call was the right call, but I didn't actually think Belton got beat or held him. Maybe poor hand placement, but man, I am so ready for Sunday and the Browns. One thing about Baseball, you only have to wait 21 hours more of the time. The NFL, you only get 17 games(this year I expect 20).

He really has been that good defensively though. 12 OAA Since the Middle of June he's hitting .275/.307/.385 with a .692 OPS I don't think there's any chance they'd consider sitting Ortiz in the post-season for Monasterio... a guy who has been a great utility player, but he's got BABIP that's .356(vs Ortiz .256 for the year) and he hasn't been a plus defender. Monasterio had an abnormally great August with a .486 BABIP One August in which Monasterio put up a .396/.418/.696 1.116 OP in 55 PAs, a guy who before that hit .184/.259/.286 545 OPS... you'd LIKELY be trading a both a less talented hitter and a far less talented defender. A better(though still not a good answer) if you were going to make a change... to an offense that I don't think NEEDS a change, would be Collins to 2B, Turang to SS and then you go with I guess Yelich in LF, Chourio in CF(though I don't know why not Frelick as his instincts are better, but they don't) and Frelick in RF. Vaughn at 1B, Hoskins at DH *Left handed #Switch Hitter Lineup of *Frelick-RF Chourio-CF *Yelich-LF Contreras-C *Turang-SS Vaughn-1B #Collins-2B Hoskins-DH Durbin -3B Bench, Quero, Ortiz, Bauers, Monasterio? But I think the BEST balance of both(and the most likely) is having a balanced lineup and your defense is/will be; *Frelick-RF Chourio-LF *Yelich-DH Contreras-C *Turang-2B Vaughn- 1B #Perkins-CF Durbin -3B Ortiz -SS Bench-Jansen, Monasaterio, Hoskins, Collins Collins-Switch Hitter Hoskins- Power Bat off the bench I'd like to see guys like Perkins and Lockridge on a post-season roster, but you're limited. The Pitching Staff is in a MUCH more dubious place at the moment. We have a number of players that I don't think we can win multiple series without. 1-Megill- Closer, dominant, slides Uribe, Mears, Ashby, Koenig down. 2-Mears our 7th inning man/Fireman. I'm not going to say I have a ton of trust. This is the area of the team I most wanted to upgrade(not for the price Mason Miller cost and probably not for what Duran cost). 3-Hall- He's a luxury to have throw the 5th and 6th inning after a RHed pitcher with lefties coming up. Ashby is being used here. I'd rather use Ashby as needed more than just calling on him there. 4-Logan Henderson- Is there a chance he's back? He seems like he'd be at his best working 2 innings out of the pen... if healthy. Throwing in the 95-98 range in the pen with a plus Change. You don't always get what you want. Megill threw a BP, didn't respect. UCL strain is extremely disconcerting. When I say I wanted a BP arm, that's IF we were going to give up something of substance. It seemed like the best fit with the staff we have. Duran, Bautista, Clase, NOT for Made, Pena... probably not Pratt(though...Miller does have 4 years left). Henderson is scheduled to throw one tomorrow(Tuesday). That should be very...informative. He wouldn't be set to come back until the post-season as I don't think he's eligible until after the season. Mears seems like the best bet to be back. Hall-Still no BPs scheduled(that is troubling). Give me a staff with Peralta, Woody, Priester Closer-Megill SU Uribe 7th-Mears/Koenig Hader Role-Ashby 4th-6th vs lefties-Hall Misiorowski/Quintana available Then Henderson in a RHed Hader role just throwing an inning or two and Patrick or Myers to come out of the pen, THAT is ideal. Grant Anderson has also earned a role... But I'm afraid 3-4 of these guys will not be available. Henderson is already a long shot. He hasn't even thrown in that role. Misi is just not a reliable pitcher at this point out of the pen. You can't bring in a guy who could walk 2 and give up a HR. He's still a guy I want signed for 8 years and 2 TOs and I think he'll be a Cy Young contender at some point, but back before he came up, I said I wanted him to spend the year in AAA. He proved me wrong, but we're still early on in the process and this was inevitable. Control issues. And he doesn't even need great command, we're talking more about trying to hit just areas. FB up, FB down, he doesn't need to paint with it like Maddux, not at 101 with a 96 slider, but he's just walking too many guys(also been getting squeezed, but hasn't responded well... which happens to Rookies). Hall still not throwing? It's 9/15. And when I say throwing, I mean BP. Mears is not the guy you want in the 8th inning. That pushes Ashby to a multi-inning, late inning reliever and now bridging the gap is tougher. Playoff games are SO often son in the 5th-7th innings. Before you get to the true aces of the pen. The SU men and then Mason Miller comes out for 5 outs, but you gotta shut them down then as well. That's a LOT to say... I think we're better with Ortiz, you may think Monasterio, but our pitching right now with the health questions is a FAR-FAR bigger concern.

Didn't we kinda end up with one anyway? I get it, I don't blame him. He went for the big shot. That OSU offense you're talking about, if you put all the players from that team on the same offense, it'd be an elite unit. You sacrificed good for a shot to be great and compete with the top programs and it hasn't paid off. It's going to be tough at Wisconsin, especially with the new NIL "cap."

No. That can't be. I have been assured, that OL is elite! Though, to be honest, I also thought they were a LOT better as well...

I still believe Ben Johnson is going to develop Caleb Williams into a very good player. I just think... Detroit is a REALLY good Football team. I think they'll get better as the season goes on... but because I mostly just care about the Packers, this makes me feel even better about the Week1 Game.

None of that is congruent with talking about signing Cody Bellinger. "And we are Milwaukee." That doesn't mean they're going to pay Bellinger the 30M a year he'll likely get coming off a 5WAR season. I'm also perfectly relaxed hoping the Brewers extend Turang for a certain price. You can do that and hope that... with 4 years left of service time, you can buy out a couple years of free agency... if the player is willing to.

I posted this on the Packers 2025 season, but this covers Nixon, Belton, Morgan, the scheme... Nixon does make a great play in man on 4th and 4. That's... kinda my only TINY concern at this point(which I just wrote War and Peace on). But I like the Breakdowns of Belton, Morgan, the scheme, Musgrave and Kraft on that big play to Kraft. Doesn't really touch on how many plays the Packers left out there... which I actually find encouraging as I think Love will start hitting Golden as he starts to get his chemistry down. Anyway...

I've watched this guy a couple of times... and it's a REALLY good breakdown of the Packers-Commanders game...

Well, 2 on, 0 out, up 5-4 in the 9th, les see them add a couple more and put the Cubs away...

Based on that... I think I'd be pulling pretty hard for the Mets, good with the Cubs. The playoffs are weird though. I'll just pull for the Brewers to hit the ball hard and be healthy and... I think they can beat every team. I'm even seeing Logan Henderson is throwing some BP? Man he'd look nice in that Grant Anderson role... which Grant Anderson has been very good in, but more depth is better