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No, probably not... though, he can move and I don't know how mobile Browning is(I don't think I can remember one Browning game since Washington played Alabama).

He and his Father seem pretty damn confident about him... and from everything coming out of GB, he THINKS it'll be sooner. Also, 13.5M makes you think... the Packers feel fairly confident he's going to be back this year. 8M for a guy who misses the whole year is a fair deal.... but we'll see. They initially wanted to get a the Vikings 32nd pick... which still would have been an overpay(using the old chart) for the 2 2nds. 13.5M is almost exactly what the 5th year option would have been. So that seems like a number they just kinda went off of. ~4M mark on Watson, not much later on Tom. Also, Tom with a "torn oblique?" If that's true... I don't care how "minor" it is, just throw him on IR and make sure he heals up. Cleveland, Dallas and a Bye. You don't need to push through it at this point in the season.

Yeah, I've seen that. Talking about how they should have drafted Carter and that's more important than RT. That's... revisionist(from them IMO). They desperately needed an OT for the young QBs who they've paraded through their, a #2 overall pick, the #11 pick and now the #1 pick. I think Wright is just about one of the good decisions Poles has made. I haven't watched this year real closely. I saw he got beat on some bad technique, but I thought he'd been one of the few bright spots the last couple years for the Bears on offense. I did see that Davenport sack where he just does a little up and under and beats Wright. IDK man... they really just seem cursed. Imagine if they'd just kept Fields, traded back when they got the Panthers 1st pick, taken Joe Alt, Odunze seemed like a good pick. But it's everything else. Loveland instead of Warren. Taking a punter in the 4th rd. You do that when you're finishing a team. They weren't finishing! I remember Merrill Hodge who has been...shockingly accurate on some QB predictions and he said he'd piss off his OL by leaving the pocket early. Him, Thuney... I kinda thought they were fine. It's Dalman, Jackson and then Braxton Jones...speaking of bad PFF grades, he's bad IMO. I also thought Kiran Amegadjie and then Trillo this past year were both good young OTs and... I think they were both healthy scratches. So they're not doing something to develop OL. And I might be wrong on Wright or maybe he's just struggled this year, but get rid of Poles! I mean, I hope they don't, but trading an early 2nd for Claypool, trading a 2nd for Sweat when... he was going to be a FA and then paying him market value. Early 2nd, that's where you draft OL. Maybe not OTs, but OGs... I'm enjoying it though. Maybe they let Wright leave, we pick him up cheap and finally a team leaves one NFCN team and he actually gets better.

Packers brought in Dorian Thompson-Robinson for a workout. Almost certainly just part of their weekly Tuesday workouts, but... maybe there is a correlation here. https://nfltraderumors.co/packers-tried-out-five-players-including-qb-dorian-thompson-robinson/

Did ANY part of you think Colby Wooden was going to be at least a big PART of the answer to that run defense issue? Colby Wooden, some thought he'd be a better fit as a 4-3 DE. He was an athletic, 6'4 ~270LB DL coming out. He looks like a 295 DL who still has that quickness and his PFF grade may not be great, but he has been holding up at the point. I still think there's going to be a game or games that the other team sticks with the run and it can be an ugly game, but... I thought, particularly vs Detroit, it'd be a problem. Also, their whole "revamped OL," is a bit exaggerated. They did lost a stud. Glasnow is a good veteran, Mahogany was outstanding for them when he played last year and Ratledge is going to be very good. We just made them look bad! As long as they can play with Energy and tackle like they have been, with 7-8 Packer jersey's rallying, I feel pretty good... though, Barkley and the Igles still pose a problem. I see they've spoken very highly about Brinson vs the run, but... we'll see.

Don't expect this to be a real active thread this year, but I thought I'd make it for in-season moves. Trade deadline, maybe a PS signing... a trade rumor(unlikely we'd trade more picks, but possible). Clearly the Packers are not very motivated to win now... so don't expect any big moves! But seriously, Malik Willis. The Bengals have apparently inquired about him. I think he's just about the ideal backup for the Packers at this point. Mobile, been in the system a full year now, can help you get by a couple games with his legs. He's not a starter caliber QB IMO, but... the Bengals are desperate with Burrow out. I don't think he'd actually get the Bengals there, but they're kinda all in on this season as well, Trey Hendrickson has a 1 year deal, then he's a FA. 9-8 could be good enough to make the playoffs in the AFC, but the most optimistic you could be, Burrows misses 10 games and I think 3 are winnable. Anyway, with all that's hanging on this season, would you rather have a 3rd rd pick (hypothetically) or a more known commodity to go with this suffocating defense and great run game? Otherwise, what would it take to trade him?

It still doesn't feel real. I really hoped they'd get Garrett, but I thought it'd cost more than 2 1sts+Clark and I was also a bit hesitant about Garrett's age(not that I'd have been against it). I thought... 2 1sts, a 3rd+ maybe even a guy like Cooper. Now it's up to the offense to make damn sure Jordan Love is the week 4 starter and NOT Malik Willis!

We're pretty much playing Joe Barry schemes. We played a league low man coverage in 9% of the snaps the first two weeks. That was what everyone was upset with Barry for. Sitting back in coverage. Obviously we have LBers who are long and more athletic, but I think Hafley is just making the scheme work with the personnel. Nixon can run and hit. I thought he would make a good safety for those skills, but he's doesn't have great agility. So, they're not asking him to stay in Jameson Williams back hip, they're just asking him to carrying him up the field and if he's not going deep, passing him off to the safety and he's doing a GREAT job jumping anything in front of him and driving on the ball. I think it's basically a Cover 3 Match that Seattle played mixed with a Cover 2, but our LBers aren't really taking that deep drop like that Tampa Two. In THAT type of defense, I'm good with a player like him. He's definitely proven he can be a pretty solid CB. Last year in coverage, he was one spot above the middle for CBs. I thought it was 112 out of 225, but I could be wrong. But he's always been aggressive, physical and now maybe more confident plus the pressures? At the time though, we were talking about how this defense was going to get better. Again, the 'we didn't always have the personnel to play the way we wanted to,' Hafley is a guy who played a good deal of Man and now he's playing almost none. Also, we are playing almost zero snaps with 3 CBs. That makes the depth a bit less concerning. You're also absolutely right, we do have more than one guy who can rush the passer. Gary was a top 20 ranked edge. That's good. You get the breakout it seems like LVN is giving you and you can have a solid defense. ONE guy can always be eliminated(though Dexter Lawrence is trying to disprove that). We did it to Aaron Donald a few times and he is about as good at his best as anyone since Reggie/LT. Him and JJ Watt. But we found a way to slide, chip, double. Gary, Wyatt, LVN and then well timed blitzes are so important. Another thing he did, I don't think we blitzed much vs Detroit, but we blitzed the 2nd fewest in the NFL in 2024. Jayden Daniels struggles vs the blitz(as do most QBs). We blitzed him 32% of the snaps last night and on 23% of his drop backs. 3/11 for 30 yards and I think one of them was on the Ertz TD, but you got off the field and he's making the adjustments he needs to. Other than that, Barryn Sorrell looked REALLY good re-watching the game and so did Wyatt. If he stays healthy, he's going to get a big payday. Maybe a 3 year extension right now may be called for. He is 28 by the time of his 5th year option, so I'd consider that. The only negatives I could find on that side of the ball were a couple bad plays by Quay...even then, the missed tackle on Ertz is a tough play to make when you're going one way and he's going the other on that crossing route. Cooper maybe left a couple big plays on the field... I guess. Xavier McKinney didn't have a pick when he should have. It's so nitpicky with the defense. I feel like we could have been up both games by 4TDs in the 4th Quarter. I would expect a lot of 3 man routes moving forward and a lot of max protect. I just hope we're doing the same vs Myles Garrett. He might be the only DE in the league better than Parsons and even Tom is gonna need some help. Good test for the OL. *Also... Anthony Belton played well and that holding call was the right call, but I didn't actually think Belton got beat or held him. Maybe poor hand placement, but man, I am so ready for Sunday and the Browns. One thing about Baseball, you only have to wait 21 hours more of the time. The NFL, you only get 17 games(this year I expect 20).

He really has been that good defensively though. 12 OAA Since the Middle of June he's hitting .275/.307/.385 with a .692 OPS I don't think there's any chance they'd consider sitting Ortiz in the post-season for Monasterio... a guy who has been a great utility player, but he's got BABIP that's .356(vs Ortiz .256 for the year) and he hasn't been a plus defender. Monasterio had an abnormally great August with a .486 BABIP One August in which Monasterio put up a .396/.418/.696 1.116 OP in 55 PAs, a guy who before that hit .184/.259/.286 545 OPS... you'd LIKELY be trading a both a less talented hitter and a far less talented defender. A better(though still not a good answer) if you were going to make a change... to an offense that I don't think NEEDS a change, would be Collins to 2B, Turang to SS and then you go with I guess Yelich in LF, Chourio in CF(though I don't know why not Frelick as his instincts are better, but they don't) and Frelick in RF. Vaughn at 1B, Hoskins at DH *Left handed #Switch Hitter Lineup of *Frelick-RF Chourio-CF *Yelich-LF Contreras-C *Turang-SS Vaughn-1B #Collins-2B Hoskins-DH Durbin -3B Bench, Quero, Ortiz, Bauers, Monasterio? But I think the BEST balance of both(and the most likely) is having a balanced lineup and your defense is/will be; *Frelick-RF Chourio-LF *Yelich-DH Contreras-C *Turang-2B Vaughn- 1B #Perkins-CF Durbin -3B Ortiz -SS Bench-Jansen, Monasaterio, Hoskins, Collins Collins-Switch Hitter Hoskins- Power Bat off the bench I'd like to see guys like Perkins and Lockridge on a post-season roster, but you're limited. The Pitching Staff is in a MUCH more dubious place at the moment. We have a number of players that I don't think we can win multiple series without. 1-Megill- Closer, dominant, slides Uribe, Mears, Ashby, Koenig down. 2-Mears our 7th inning man/Fireman. I'm not going to say I have a ton of trust. This is the area of the team I most wanted to upgrade(not for the price Mason Miller cost and probably not for what Duran cost). 3-Hall- He's a luxury to have throw the 5th and 6th inning after a RHed pitcher with lefties coming up. Ashby is being used here. I'd rather use Ashby as needed more than just calling on him there. 4-Logan Henderson- Is there a chance he's back? He seems like he'd be at his best working 2 innings out of the pen... if healthy. Throwing in the 95-98 range in the pen with a plus Change. You don't always get what you want. Megill threw a BP, didn't respect. UCL strain is extremely disconcerting. When I say I wanted a BP arm, that's IF we were going to give up something of substance. It seemed like the best fit with the staff we have. Duran, Bautista, Clase, NOT for Made, Pena... probably not Pratt(though...Miller does have 4 years left). Henderson is scheduled to throw one tomorrow(Tuesday). That should be very...informative. He wouldn't be set to come back until the post-season as I don't think he's eligible until after the season. Mears seems like the best bet to be back. Hall-Still no BPs scheduled(that is troubling). Give me a staff with Peralta, Woody, Priester Closer-Megill SU Uribe 7th-Mears/Koenig Hader Role-Ashby 4th-6th vs lefties-Hall Misiorowski/Quintana available Then Henderson in a RHed Hader role just throwing an inning or two and Patrick or Myers to come out of the pen, THAT is ideal. Grant Anderson has also earned a role... But I'm afraid 3-4 of these guys will not be available. Henderson is already a long shot. He hasn't even thrown in that role. Misi is just not a reliable pitcher at this point out of the pen. You can't bring in a guy who could walk 2 and give up a HR. He's still a guy I want signed for 8 years and 2 TOs and I think he'll be a Cy Young contender at some point, but back before he came up, I said I wanted him to spend the year in AAA. He proved me wrong, but we're still early on in the process and this was inevitable. Control issues. And he doesn't even need great command, we're talking more about trying to hit just areas. FB up, FB down, he doesn't need to paint with it like Maddux, not at 101 with a 96 slider, but he's just walking too many guys(also been getting squeezed, but hasn't responded well... which happens to Rookies). Hall still not throwing? It's 9/15. And when I say throwing, I mean BP. Mears is not the guy you want in the 8th inning. That pushes Ashby to a multi-inning, late inning reliever and now bridging the gap is tougher. Playoff games are SO often son in the 5th-7th innings. Before you get to the true aces of the pen. The SU men and then Mason Miller comes out for 5 outs, but you gotta shut them down then as well. That's a LOT to say... I think we're better with Ortiz, you may think Monasterio, but our pitching right now with the health questions is a FAR-FAR bigger concern.

Didn't we kinda end up with one anyway? I get it, I don't blame him. He went for the big shot. That OSU offense you're talking about, if you put all the players from that team on the same offense, it'd be an elite unit. You sacrificed good for a shot to be great and compete with the top programs and it hasn't paid off. It's going to be tough at Wisconsin, especially with the new NIL "cap."

No. That can't be. I have been assured, that OL is elite! Though, to be honest, I also thought they were a LOT better as well...

I still believe Ben Johnson is going to develop Caleb Williams into a very good player. I just think... Detroit is a REALLY good Football team. I think they'll get better as the season goes on... but because I mostly just care about the Packers, this makes me feel even better about the Week1 Game.

None of that is congruent with talking about signing Cody Bellinger. "And we are Milwaukee." That doesn't mean they're going to pay Bellinger the 30M a year he'll likely get coming off a 5WAR season. I'm also perfectly relaxed hoping the Brewers extend Turang for a certain price. You can do that and hope that... with 4 years left of service time, you can buy out a couple years of free agency... if the player is willing to.

I posted this on the Packers 2025 season, but this covers Nixon, Belton, Morgan, the scheme... Nixon does make a great play in man on 4th and 4. That's... kinda my only TINY concern at this point(which I just wrote War and Peace on). But I like the Breakdowns of Belton, Morgan, the scheme, Musgrave and Kraft on that big play to Kraft. Doesn't really touch on how many plays the Packers left out there... which I actually find encouraging as I think Love will start hitting Golden as he starts to get his chemistry down. Anyway...

I've watched this guy a couple of times... and it's a REALLY good breakdown of the Packers-Commanders game...

Well, 2 on, 0 out, up 5-4 in the 9th, les see them add a couple more and put the Cubs away...

Based on that... I think I'd be pulling pretty hard for the Mets, good with the Cubs. The playoffs are weird though. I'll just pull for the Brewers to hit the ball hard and be healthy and... I think they can beat every team. I'm even seeing Logan Henderson is throwing some BP? Man he'd look nice in that Grant Anderson role... which Grant Anderson has been very good in, but more depth is better

I wouldn't be shocked to see a "surprise" trade involving a couple of these players going into the Dec meetings. We've got a ton of depth. I don't WANT to see anyone traded, but I love some of the younger guys and as good as these guys are, I could see the Brewers making a big move this off-season. Ketel Marte would be an interesting but probably unlikely... but hell, I guess that's why it'd be surprising. If you felt good about Turang at SS, you could get maybe 50 HRs out of SS/2B and a .285 BA? Or not, could be a pitcher... or nobody. I'm just throwing this out there. All really good prospects at positions with really good young depth. I AM really excited to see what Dinges and that 70 grade arm with that bat... can do behind the plate in a year or two.

Very little. He's got a No-Trade... which is moot because he's got 10 and 5 rights anyway(which is effectively a NTC- 10 years service time, 5 years with the same team). I think teams would want him, but he signed in Milwaukee. If the Dodgers wanted him, maybe, but they have a guy at DH that I think they're pretty high on. He's not a good fielder. He is basically paid like a platoon OFer for them, so... maybe! You were just talking about signing Cody Bellinger, but you think this is so unrealistic you can definitively say with 4 years of service time ahead of him, it will NOT happen?

I don't think they are. Love underthrew him on one throw he got behind the defense and then overthrew him on another where he should have taken it for 6. There's not much of a difference between where Olave was graded coming out and where Golden was. They were both really good route runners.. and in fact, that's what people were talking about Golden about while saying Bond was the burner(remember both were considered 1st rd picks). Golden went about 10-12 slots below projections, Olave above... I don't think Golden has to match Olave's numbers to have his impact. The Packers spread the ball out. Nobody had more than 76 targets last year and 5 guys were between 70 and 76. Olave had 119 and 138 targets and was a #1 by FAR right out of the gate. The offense isn't centered around Golden. I think you'll see him on the same level as Olave as the year goes on. As for Watson, I've had 3 ACLs. They were when I was 18, 20 and 23. They were clean. They're so much better now than they were 20 years ago when I had mine and they're... so much better than they were 20 years before that. I don't think he's going to have any issue getting back to full speed. The biggest issue is having patience... you start feeling 6 months in like you're good to go and that's when you can have catastrophic injuries and re-injure your knee. But he had a clean tear. All I need him to do this year is to be able to run a go and take a Safety with him... 4 players in NFL HISTORY have run sub 4.4 40s, at 6.5 220. He doesn't need to run a full route tree. He's a weapon and a threat and he won't be all the way back this year, but he's going to be a huge addition.

I think the biggest area they can improve, Love just... he starts hitting a couple more of those shots where he's got someone open and this goes from a team that LOOKS like the best in the NFL to just a dominant team on offense and defense. They still played sloppy, penalties, missed blitz pickups(Brooks in Week 1 made at least one TD possible just ROCKING two guys in pass protection. I'm positive that's the reason you're seeing him and not Wilson. But those things did keep Washington in the game. I think there's another level Love is going to get to. We can dream on Watson, Golden, Reed, Doubs, Wicks, Heath and then Kraft, Musgrave... and Fitzpatrick who is complete TE(so is Kraft, but... I don't need to say that, right?) Jayden Daniels to me is what everyone said Lamar was coming out, but he hasn't had the coaching, the defense, the OL or the run game. The differences; 1-Daniels takes hits outside the pocket that Lamar just doesn't. Lamar has that Barry Sanders like ability to seemingly never get hit square. 2-Daniels ability to throw outside the numbers and downfield is... MILES ahead of younger Lamar, even first MVP Lamar and I think he's better than Lamar NOW at it. Daniels could be the #2 QB in the NFL in a year or 2... and he may very well be better than Mahomes for a stretch. That's what's possible. It's also possible he's Randall Cunningham(in the modern NFL) but the hits wear on him too much. But he is SO impressive. I thought Caleb Williams was so clearly the most TALENTED QB in that draft class...and then I watched Merril Hodge(who is shockingly good at evaluating QBs) break them down and Daniels biggest flaw was he almost refused to throw over the middle. He stayed away from it, but he was throwing just darts on those 40 yard throws to complete a 20 yard out or rolling out to his right and hitting his guy in stride. A lot of running QBs, they open up the passing game because you have to commit another player to him or you have to change the way you rush, but Daniels... to me, if he lost his ability to run like he can and he had Jordan Love's mobility or Matthew Stafford, I think he would still be a franchise QB. If I was a Washington fan, I'd be feeling VERY confident about the future of my team. They need to get younger, they need to hit on some more picks, but you have a franchise QB there... if you can keep him -healthy. He also seems so mature, he has poise, he seems like the perfect young QB you want coming in after the JOKE of a franchise they've had with the Front Office and Management and all of their sexual harassment and just sleezy stuff, this kid is perfect to lead them into the future and to... give them a new look.

I just think misses stand out more than hits. He dropped that ball into Reed perfectly on the play he got hurt, he hit Heath where only he had a chance to catch it. I'd love to see a VR of what it's like to play QB in the NFL with everything crossing your eyes and everything going on around you. I didn't see the route that Golden ran, but for Love to overthrow him... a 4.29 guy, that's almost impressive. But if nothing else, we've seen... beyond any doubt, that Love has every single tool needed to be an elite QB. An MVP caliber QB. Gotta put it all together and do it consistently, but... he's been great at time. Edit-I'm not even touching the rest of what you said because... I think you nailed it. Yeah... but SO much has changed from when we were going to run out Nixon, Hobbs and Valentine with Bullardd in the slot(where he was terrible last year). Hafley played 3 CBs over 80% of the time at BC and about 80% of the time last year. This year, he's played 3 CBs just 5 snaps in BOTH weeks. I still think CB is an area of weakness. Where you REALLY see it is on 3rd or 4th and short and you need to get up in the faces of the WRs, the ball is coming out quick and that's been the ONE area the Packers have not been able to get stops. Vs either the Lions or the Redskins. This was a pretty big concern by... the National Media and the Local press, so I'll just speak for myself, but I was concerned that they hadn't added any outside corners and we relying on guys who'd played almost exclusively slot or like Hobbs and Nixon had played better in the slot than he had as an outside corner... I didn't follow camp all that closely as I said, but when we'd talked about it... we were talking about Hafley's scheme which is ideally, more man coverage(more as in...like 60-40 or 50/50 zone/man, nobody is running man every play other than... maybe Gregg Williams). Even then(during or around the draft, when Garrett wanted a trade) it was kinda an either or. We need to improve the CBs or get more pressure. Micah Parsons changes all of that... but guys like that are so seldom traded, I didn't really think it was realistic... even when I posted about it, it felt like every other trade... but even more far fetched as this was the Cowboys and so much less than I thought. Now... Hobbs, Nixon, Bullard... just like the pass rush grades of most of our DL, their coverage has improved drastically. I don't think those players have changed in what they're capable of doing, but NOW you can play to their strengths. Nixon can play on his toes, break on the ball faster, knowing he has help over the top.... When asked what's changed, why is this team playing with more swagger this year," he says, "Swagger? Yeah, we got Micah Parsons!" So yeah, when we were looking at losing Jaire and the off-season additions Gutekunst had made, the CB room was a HUGE red flag. They moved a WR to CB and he's probably our #3/4 CB. We only played with 2 CBs in Week1 and in Week 2, we played 3, but only 2 on the field all but 5 snaps. So it's a pure zone defense, but... just speaking for myself, this was back when we were talking about how the Packers defense was going to take the next step. We were getting rid of Ja and you had Hafley and Matt LaFleur talking about how they weren't able to play the way they wanted to at times due to personnel... and a defense that thrived off interceptions... which unless you have a pass rush that's just dominant and getting strip sacks, that's hard to rely on(Xavier McKinney started off with... 5 straight games last year IIRC.) This year you have one.... I believe. So yeah, playing a C1, single high man scheme, I had and still have... very little confidence in this defense taking the next step in THAT respect(though... if you have confidence, who knows). Hell, we were talking about a lack of excitement about this team a day or two before the trade because we didn't know what we had. If Gary would bounce back, Clark, what would LVN make that big jump and then Edgerrin Cooper. Those were the things were were hoping would keep our defense at the level it was last year. But Nixon being able to drop into a zone, know he's got help over the top, but also know the ball is coming out quick, that's it. Micah Parsons is a force multiplier. I think that speaks to Jeff Hafley as well. Bullard isn't good in man, so he started rotating him with Hobbs in the slot and they're also playing VERY little base....Parsons and Gary were allowed to stand up when they're comfortable, the Cheetah package with LVN, Gary and Parsons plus Wyatt. And I'm listening to James Jones right now on that show with Acho talking about how he was worried about that secondary and now "they an sit on those routes." That's what he's doing. He's not locking anyone down and he doesn't need to. Just come up, hit, don't allow YAC yards... which they didn't until late in the game. But MAN... this is like a dream. Brian Gutekunst talked OPENLY about wanting to an elite edge and how if there was one, he'd hypothetically be willing to add edge rushers and you go out and jump on that opportunity and now you can play to the strengths of your secondary, you don't need to cover longer in order to send pressure. What this actually looks like... the '96 scheme. You had Fritz Shurmur who kinda pioneered that zone blitz by overloading one side... and the dropping a DT. We played with Butler, Eugene Robinson and Mike Prior with Newsome and Doug Evans, the front 4, Gabe Wilkins in pass rushing downs for Gilbert and then Wayne Simmons abusing TEs, Brian Williams flying around like Cooper. I'll take Cooper, Bullard and Wyatt, Wooden over Wilkins, Santana and Mike Prior, but the scheme is VERY similar. I've said before I think if you take Reggie off that '96, '97 defense, they're average, not special. This defense was better. It's gonna come down to jhow can Jordan Love play in the post-season, how healthy they can be. Right NOW though, dominated the #1 defense last year and the #5 defense last year, long season, but as indifferent as I am to the Badgers right now, I'm THAT excited about the Packers. The ONE thing I'm worried about at THIS moment... is Myles Garrett. He may be the only player better than Micah at that position, Tom is questionable. I don't care if Kraft doesn't go out for a pass, you better take care of Garett. Keep him off Love. I agree, that's a bit of a concern. Free runners, you gotta have a hot read, or there should be a guy who's in man who you can try and throw back shoulder to, a checkdown. There were free blitzers and we were getting beat quickly at times. BUT... for the plays we've seen Love leave out there, the two passes to Golden, the deep throw and then early on 4th down where he had the DBs beat, through 35 games Love is 20-15, Rodgers was 19-16, Love has 64/22 TD/INT, Rodgers was 63/23. QB rating, Rodgers was like 98.1 and Love is like 96.7(that one is off memory). So he's still in that dropping a DIME in there to Reed, hitting Heath where only he can get it on the sideline. Just gotta start hitting even ONE more a game and you're adding 7 points. He's SOOO close to being MVP caliber and... again, because of Parsons(I don't think you can give him too much credit) he's not forcing the ball in there and it seems like he knows he'll get the ball back. It's a LONG year, but I won't pretend this isn't the best team in the NFL right now. We still need a LOT of other things to go right for us, but right now, this is the best team in the NFL. So... to your last point;

That could be SO big for the Packers. It's a little like adding Parsons to the defense in the way he tilts the field and the safeties either rotate over to help double him, OR he just beats you deep. He's not on the same level as Parsons as a WR or... he'd be Jamar Chase/Justin Jefferson, but you still have to account for him. Watson on one side, Golden on the other, Wicks, Doubs, Kraft, Musgrave, the middle just opens up. It'd also obviously be better if Reed was healthy, but... with the Jones fracture he has, missing two months isn't the worst thing in the world... I guess. Let both things heal. 15 games in the regular season left, a LOT of things still have to go right, but this team also has a LOT of upside and a lot of room for improvement yet.

Yeah, but with the talent we have coming up, especially in those positions, that would feel like a poor use of resources to pay him a "Yelich like extension." You have like 4-5 guys who can handle the keystone. We've got so many, we're talking stud 2B like Adamczewski and moving them to the OF because there are soo many really talented kids there. I think you either sign him now to a 7/100M type deal or you move on. I'd also point out Marte and his extensions. He's been a guy who has played outstanding defense, has hit for power and average and he just got 6/105.5 with a TO. I think maybe 6 years for 80M and 2 TOs at 25M AAV with some incentives would be fair. If he is a .300 hitter(which...I wouldn't actually make part of the incentives as there are some hollow .300's) but if he continues to hit and play defense at an elite level, his salary should go up.

I think that used to be the case... but the last several years, there have been quite a few rookie WRs who've had big years. I'd say since 2020 there have probably been 15-20 Rookies who've made pretty significant immediate impacts. I think we need him to step up... and I think he will. I think 1000 yards is still well within reach. That Washington secondary is pretty solid.