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We've got one of those in my pools as well. It's really annoying. It's a 3 week cutoff... which is SO stupid. Someone else took it over a few years ago and last year they came up with this idea. The first 3 weeks in the past have been when MOST people go out. People who pick the Ravens or whichever team. We've done a 2nd pool in the past. you can do another one that starts week 7 or so(it was usually over by then). But wild, ridiculous games like this are usually how people go out. I try and stay away from; -Division Rivals playing on the road -Bad teams, but teams with elite defensive lines... like the Browns, Giants, Jets(not so much this year, but when they had a better edge). But there are crazy games like this one where the Titans just had no business winning. Couple years ago there was one where Justin Tucker hit a 66 yard FG as time expired vs the Lions. That would have knocked out over half the pool.

Well... I don't really care, but I never said you were. I'm pretty skeptical you're a Packers fan. Even when they win(like Detroit) I remember you talking about how they'd blow it, they'd gas, how bad Nixon was(worst player on the defense), LVN in, Parsons wasn't doing anything... LaFleur is the worst coach in the league. Not sure what you're watching if you think the Packers are finishing behind the Bears and the Vikings, but... we'll see.... again.

I didn't say you could lock the game down after 9-12 outs, I'm saying I don't want to take him out of the game early so he's available in Gm3. I don't want to go into the game with the plan that no matter how good he's throwing, you're taking him out so he can throw Gm3.

I have a feeling Jackson will not be communicating any discomfort with them. Not saying that's a good thing or not, but... just my guess. If he plays, I hope his base running is limited to nice... easy base running. A light jog a time or two around the bases.

Yeah, I don't really like it if that's the plan going into the game. I'd rather use Koenig then. You're burning your best lefty and one your best multi-inning reliever. There's some gamesmanship that comes with staters(at least in recent Brewers history)... but being too rigid, if Ashby is throwing really well, still taking him out after the first or 2nd in the most extreme case, I'd just go with Koenig. And I don't need him available in Gm3 as much as I need the Brewers to really put their figurative food on the Cubs figurative throats in Gm2. Lets say he's gets through 2 innings and he's just dealing. Why not put him back out there? I hope it's at least a discussion as that means Ashby's throwing well.

Well, what I was saying was just going with a BP game for Gm2 if Ashby goes deep enough. If he just comes out and goes 1-2-3 in the first and his pitch count stays reasonable... ride it.

I hear you guys, but the way Ashby has been throwing... and the time off during the series, I'd be looking for more than just 3 outs from him. Or at least I wouldn't have a set number. Ashby has overpowering stuff and that breaking ball can get a lot of swings and misses. I'd ride him until he got into trouble or for 3...even 4 innings. Let him empty the tank. The only real reason not to is because you'd want him to throw in Gm3, but... I'd prefer to just lock this one down.

I don't hate this in theory... but I'm also not a huge fan. So you get a few innings, 3 MAYBE where you negate their LHed bats(hopefully). Then you're coming back with Priester for the next 3-4? Or is it just going by feel? Priester may or may not pitch? If Ashby is really dealing, you get through 3, do you just go a full on BP game? Patrick for an inning or 3(he has been pretty good as of late). Mears, Uribe, Koenig and then Megill? Hell, hopefully Misiorowski pitches with a healthy lead, but still an odd decision IMO.

That's a brutal way to go out. The pick, fumble that turns into a TD.... Well... Christmas would be during Week 17, so that's... not really a huge statement. And no, the Packers are not going to finish last in the division. The bandwagon empties early, but people sure jump back on quickly.

I'd certainly prefer facing the Phils with Devin Williams vs Duran. Though... after watching Abel pitch for the Twins, I'm also glad he's out of Philly. I also thought it was more Alec Bohm vs Bryson Stott that we were looking at from the Phillies. He was the guy who was a perfect fit. Just slide him in at 3rd. That was when the Phills were looking at Bergman.

Well... you're asking in hindsight. So don't you need to kinda look at the value at the time? Made really blew up this year, but last year he was a kid who hadn't played full season ball yet. But I agree, he kinda showed enough that he was almost untouchable. Misiorowski was(and still is) a guy you aren't sure if he's a starter or a reliever. I think he's pretty clearly a starter given how he could maintain his velo late into games and the 4 pitch mix, but there's still questions and Crochet is Wichrowski had probably minimal value last year. Less than Carlos Rodriguez... Black also had more value. Especially to a team like the White Sox(I'd think) as a 3rd piece. Neither of those guys are worth more than just throw ins on a deal now(Carlos Rodriguez may not even be worth a 40 man roster spot). I don't know man, again, good question, but so hard to answer. Some teams look for specific players and I feel like some teams(Rockies, White Sox) are probably closer to how we're looking at it by top 100 rankings.

Yeah, hell, with hindsight, I'd have gone after him much more aggressively. I don't know if he would have been willing to sign the extension here(which I'd have been pretty skeptical at that time). But seeing what he's done this year? And he doesn't turn 27 until June 21st next year. So if you could get him to sign for 6/150... which I think with the benefit of hindsight, we'd be willing to do(or at least I'd certainly hope we'd be willing to do as Mark A constantly says we CAN spend more if the right player is available)... then I'd have been willing to go Pratt... the package we gave up for Priester(Which was pretty valuable). And then it comes down to what else would you add. Logan Henderson? If they really wanted Misiorowski, I'd have done that, but not a ton more. Mis+Yophery Rodriguez, Black+comp pick+Carlos Rodriguez. Black and Rodriguez had more value last year and were both guys who could immediately contribute. I still think Black will be a solid regular for a team like the White Sox or a nice backup for a team like us. Hell, with the benefit of hindsight, I'd have taken him in the 2nd rd over Max Lazar in 2017! Then we could have him and change nothing... I'd be a REALLY good GM with that benefit! I'd still be a bit worried with the way his usage just shot up last year and then to over 200 IP this year. So check back in a year. Good chance he's either established himself as a top 2-3 pitcher in all of Baseball in a year and if not, he's probably hurt. This is an interesting question as he would change this team enough that it's worth giving up a lot to get him... but then you're also giving up a lot for the future. But the way he held up in the regular season, the way he threw vs the Yankees in the playoffs... it'd be worth it to give up a lot for him.

Yeah, but that's not even the argument that's being made as I see it. It seems to just be that... the World Series is a greater accomplishment than being the best in the regular season... and it is. It's not about having a 10 year run in which you're in the playoffs 9 of the 10 years(hypothetically)... it's a totally different argument about what's more important, an argument I don't think I've EVER seen one person make. EVERYONE would take a World Series over the best record in the regular season. The people who'd take ONE World Series like the Marlins who were mentioned and then 9 years of 60-80 wins are far more split. It's generally the more... casual fan,.. which I don't say with any judgement, but the fans who don't really know who Jesus Made is or who don't schedule many of their nights around the Brewers games like a LOT of us on here do. Most people on this forum would prefer being good year in and year out, but THAT is an argument you can have. The article is creating a whole different argument and starting it with the "reality check," which... kinda feels like we're being talked down to a bit as if this needs to be explained...which I'm sure wasn't the intent, but if you came back with "reality check, no kidding the World Series is more important than the best record in Baseball," or no ___ they don't hang banners for "best record" like they do for an NL Pennant and a World Series Title, that would be... kinda condescending. I'm pretty sure fans would be fine with 88 wins, the last WC spot and then winning the WS as several teams have done. To have the worst record in the regular season among playoff teams and then win the NL as the Braves(WS), Phillies and D-Backs have had...

I'm sorry, but who needed this "reality check?" Who needed to hear that the playoffs are more important than the regular season? That winning a WS is more important than having the best record? EVERYONE sees the World Series as the "real crown," that's... not really disputed. They do talk about how the Brewers had the best record in '82, but more as an aside... during the regular season. Not really. 162 games vs a 5 game or a 7 game series isn't really the same... especially since there has been a balanced schedule. Injuries or being hot or cold... that balances out over 162 games. It usually doesn't when talking about who is the first to win 3 or 4 games in a series.

It's not like it's just been one game, but... alright.

They just quit with ~3 minutes left in the game and 3 TOs left. It's embarrassing. It was a 2 TD game... so they're PROBABLY not coming back or stopping Michigan, but it's not real helpful when your coach is just checked out. We're sinking to a depth that's... going to be VERY difficult to recover from and it's going to take a long time to rebuild from. The 10-3, 9-4 type seasons that weren't good enough seem a LOOONG way away right now.

Sure, it's "purely subjective," to point out that Wisconsin still being in one of the two relevant conferences... which comes with significantly more resources and exposure is a selling point... You ignored all the things like... financial resources and I said how far you could go back. To Gundy's era or to 2000, 1990. The last 10 years takes the worst 5 year stretch we've had since '93 to create the strongest argument for Okie State. But if we're just going to ignore like 75% of the argument and then sure, the "objective" part is Oklahoma State is a better program....

Dude... you sticking with that? The Colts are looking pretty damn good... Posted shortly before the Broncos made one game worth watching. Payton goes for 2 and Denver comes back from 17-3 to take an 18-17 lead.

BA and Schroeder are easily the best combination. BA's like the little brother giving the big brother crap... and I like his calls. I'll take him for half the games vs none of the games. Levering and his cribbage or talking about snacks got real old. Dillard is alright.

I think we're all aware Brian.

True... but it's also nice to not have to throw Megill and company. I'm not sure Civale will be available either(not that I was real worried about that).

No, I cannot tell any such thing. He also does more than just "occasionally" call a game. I believe he called 78 Brewers games. He's one of the best in the business... He does more Brewers than anything else, so not really a "side gig." I'd guess he makes less per game, so not sure why that makes him a "poser Brewer fan," but... what a weird thing on a day we beat the Cubs in the playoffs to focus on.

If they're pushing for a cap, it's a safe bet much of '27 will be wiped out... but it's not like the clubs have to pay those players. They've signed 2 or 3 players from a list like this in the last decade, so... that's a safe bet. I'd certainly be interested in someone like Fairbanks if you could get him for ~3/27 or Kopech if he's only going to cost 3-5M. I think that's a worthwhile risk to take on and it wouldn't be a long term deal. But otherwise, of course we're not going to go sign a big name FA. I do hope they are aggressive in looking for a power arm out of the BP. That was the one thing I wanted at the deadline(at least the one thing I thought it was worth giving up good prospects for, a controllable reliever). I hope the Megill thing is no big deal, but it'd be nice to have someone who could slow in between Uribe and Megill if he's healthy and some protection against injury... and the Brewers work well with relievers... plus, a World Series run could be an additional 50-100M in revenue for a small market team(apparently), so... Bichette isn't realistic, nor are most of those names, but there are a couple and then quite a few more not mentioned. Helsely. I'd definitely see how realistic that was. He wasn't great after the trade, so... he could be an option. And again, I think including Jordan Montgomery into the Shelby Miller deal served two purposes. Balance the salaries and then an ancillary benefit would be to keep an eye on Jordan Montgomery and how his recovery is coming along. Could be a great guy to sign on a team friendly deal to prove he's healthy again.

Closer to 500M has been the consensus... that I've seen... and I would love to see the Cubs give him that. He's more athletic and as good of a hitter(plus, a better fielder at a more important position) And when you say "I wouldn't go over 5 years for any of them," do you mean... the Brewers? Or just anyone? Because most of them are going to get at least 5 years. Bichette's a 27 year old SS with an 800+ OPS. He's getting a deal over 5 years. I wouldn't expect some drastic shift in contracts this off-season because of what the owners might, maybe, try to do in next years CBA. I mean, we lost a World Series and a season talking about a cap. What's more, I'd assume any "cap" will look a more like the NBA than the NFL and that's IF it were to happen... which I don't think it will. I'd expect Tucker still gets 450+ The Dodgers are shockingly the favorites and he'll probably end up there...which I'm numb to at this point. Bichette gets mid 300s most likely(wouldn't be surprised to see the Yanks go after him given Volpe's struggles). Schwarber should gets 40M AAV if it's 4 years or less and maybe 35 if you go 5 years...IMO. Alanso is probably going to get 7/210 to stay with the Mets. Bregman... I don't really know what he'll get. He was really good this year but got hurt. 40M AAV over 3years. I could see the Red Sox just adding a couple years and avoiding free agency. Framber Valdez I'd put in the 7 year 240M range. The work stoppage and the aims at these new caps and floors were well known going into last year and they didn't really put a dent into free agent prices. I don't expect they will this year either. And even if things work out as well as the owners and the commissioner could hope for, they're not going to go into a 180 or even 200M hard cap in 2 years. Most likely, they'll get a salary floor... which will only actually serve to hurt a team like the Brewers, more revenue sharing and then maybe something closer to the NBA salary cap. They won't do max contracts or anything, just you can go over to keep your own players would be my best guess.

.288 BA, 81 RBIs! Not quite an All-Star just yet, but... his 3rd multi-hit playoff game in his last 4 and arguably the Brewers MVP... And no, I didn't search for this thread. I just wanted to see if anyone else saw any Trea Turner in his game and this thread popped up.