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I just saw Myers was hitting 97.8 in AAA and his Change had improved(makes sense he'd be working on it). If Myers can touch 98...or lets just say he's gained a tick or 2 on his Velo and he's throwing 94-95, and touches 96 with the rise he gets on that, it could be an elite pitch. Add the Change...which he threw 3% of the time and even just keep the slider and cutter where they were in terms of effectiveness in 2024, he could really valuable. I THINK it was @Spencer Michaeliswho tweeted about it. I might put a pin in dealing Myers. 5 more years of team control and if he's taking another step, he could be an outstanding #4/5 Starter, maybe a #3 in our rotation. Peralta/Misi/Priester/Henderson/Myers/Patrick. I'm also watching 'Big Woo" and I've been very impressed at the way he's locating without his best stuff...which I think will come back. He's occasionally touching 96, but more in the 92-93 range. If he is more 95-96 and touching 98 again, with the way he's pitching... he COULD be worth a QO and even 3/60 extension. But...that's a little side tangent with 3 more months of big "ifs" preceding it. Myers though, if this newfound velo and improved change is legit, I'd change my mind and prefer to keep him. OR trade him in a larger trade for a guy with multiple years of team controls, but not a rental. Of course, the report on the velo was ONE pitch at 97.8...so who knows. That too may be premature. But it'd give me pause.

Well...Wilken is out for the year and was on his way to AAA. I can't imagine Adams was far behind, but... as they're both out, you have to assume Burke is REAL close to AA. Play Adams at 3rd and Burke at 1st. Adams wasn't a butcher over there, just not MLB caliber. Of course, he can also DH, but at least get them both in the lineup(of course I have no idea how long Adams is out for).

This is a problem with tying incentives to the ASG. Misiorowski doesn't "deserve" to be an AS based on 5 starts... but it's an exhibition and he's one of the most entertaining pitchers in the game. I personally wish he wouldn't pitch in it, but think it's cool he's been named to the team.

I remember Brewers fans talking about wanting Grayson Rodriguez+Jackson Holliday AND lower rated prospects for Burnes(this was with 2 years of team control). Fans expectations seldom line up with reality. If they can get a top 100, they should. I'd maybe trade Henderson, but it'd take more than O'Hearn.

Dinges? I really like him. Looks like an elite bat for a guy who has the skills to catch, but... of course, we can over-value our own prospects. Burke again, he seems like a really safe bet to be a .280/.350 hitter with a very good glove at 1B.... but you are selling high on both, so it makes sense. AZ is losing a lot of pitching. We have a couple guys with really good stuff in AA pushing the guys in AAA. An actual log jam among Starting Pitchers. AZ has a big need there. Naylor would be another guy I would be alright with. Doesn't have the versatility of Bauers, but...he's a talented hitter.

Ok, fair enough. I just saw a stat line...it was like .313 and...well, I don't really remember, just that it made it a little surprising they didn't really try and trade him and find a team to eat even 5-6M. I went through it and there's just...nothing there. He's a veteran RHH and maybe that could help, but I don't know who you'd demote. If-IF you demoted Ortiz for a few weeks, he could slide in...I guess. I just tried to, but when you go and look at the numbers, they're ugly the last few years. He doesn't even hit LHPing better than RH'ed pitching. The best I can come up with is IF-IF the Brewers think Ke'Bryan Hayes has something in his game they can unlock, he's an elite defender at 3B and he's got decent bat speed and his contract is not onerous(though... you're betting you can get more value for him and flip him in a year or two. Anyone I can think of beyond that is a 1B/DH. If he's better... the IF market is bad.

What do you consider cheap for Suarez? Lets say it costs... Tobias Myers or I saw a Tyler Black+Carlos Rodriguez, though that seems light. I get it, I don't want to trade Dinges, Burke, Lara, or anyone above, but with so many starting pitchers and a 3B who can give you an ~.850 OPS... I'd be very excited about that. I think I get where you're coming from though. Didn't someone on here write a "make a big trade or no trade," type article? Basically... don't give up prospect capital for a modest upgrade. I'd argue Suarez is a significant upgrade, but he IS a pretty low BA/OBP type guy with solid, but not elite defense. The one caveat I'd add... Durbin looks like a good player, but will there be some recession for him? His underlying metrics are as ugly as...Bryan Reynolds are good. What matters is how many times you actually get on base, get a hit, create runs, but half a season of a pretty good line, has he been lucky? 1% in Exit Velo, just low across the board in hard hit rate, barrel rate, and even his defense, which I've thought has looked great, it's about average. Better than Suarez, but not great.

Yeah, if he was close to Collins production in CF, he's probably a 6 WAR player. I don't think people realize what a good players Collins has been. He's worse. Much-much worse. Collins- .270/.370/.405 and a .776 OPS... if Perkins put up a .250/.350/370 line, he'd be an elite CFer. And as has been pointed out, he's more than above average defender. Pete Crow-Armstrong... pretty clearly the ELITE defensive CFer of this era had 15 OAA last year Perkins had 11. Perkins is not a GG OFer while PCA is playing... but he's an elite one.

So do you mean Suarez or O'Hearn then in the last line? I'd be alright with either, Suarez fitting the team better, but Hoskins is hurt. O'Hearn hitting vs righties would be a big boost.

Well... to be fair, he's only played in 3 playoff games... but yes, this is kinda the point. But obviously Ortiz is the weakest link right now with Durbin looking like a good player, so the biggest upgrade would be at SS. It's very hard to acquire a good SS though. A 3B or OF may be easier. Hypothetically, Adolis Garcia, you think he's going to revert back closer to his averages. He goes to RF where he's solid, Frelick to LF, Collins to 2B, Turang to SS. Someone would need to know more about Collins ability at 2B than me to know how good he is defensively. CJ Abrams was mentioned, but I don't think that's realistic...and hell, if we're giving up a deal to get a Nats hitter, give me Woods. I'll make the lineup fit. It's been two different types of Ortiz. Super passive and then soft contact with 2 strikes OR super aggressive. Needs to find the middle ground.

I'll take him after he clears waivers... maybe. He'd been crushing the ball in June, but...pass on this. Yeah, it's a little frustrating with the injury and him not being able to keep it going when he has gotten hot for one reason or another, but I still think he can be a big bat down the stretch and in the post-season.

Well...it's really like do I think Hader would have made a 3-4 game difference since we were eliminated on Oct 3rd(3rd to last game) of the year and actually finished 2 games out of the WC having lost the Tie-Breaker to the Phillies(no more game 163 that year, head 2 head decided it). The Phillies then sat most of their starters for the final 2 games and got their rotation set up for the run...so it's really more like 2 or 3 games. Do I think Hader who put up a 7.31 ERA and a -1.0 WAR after the trade would have made up that difference? The same Hader who put up an 8.82 ERA the final 18 games he pitched for Milwaukee? No,I really don't he would have.

Well, I don't know what Durbin is like at 2B. He's a helluva 3B though. I think Ortiz and Turang are...at worst a push at SS. So maybe Durbin is a better 3B or maybe I'm wrong. I've always been big on Turang. I thought was a Trea Turner lite IMO with a better glove. And again, he was set to be the shortstop. It's really hard to see them touching Bregman as that'd destroy your payroll for the next two years if he gets hurt. I think that has to be enough for the Brewers to not touch him. I don't know what it'd take to Suarez, but it's haf a year and we have a pretty deep system. It also feels like Murphy has soured on Ortiz a bit. I'm actually just fine with the way it is. I think Chourio will have a big 2nd half, Contreras should as well after he gets some time off to let his body heal. Hopefully a year from now we'll have several more options and 4-5 more players who CAN contribute in Wilken, Adams, maybe Pratt, Black, Lara and Murray has looked good. Yup. Same here. EVERY year. And it was even before HS playing travel ball. I couldn't throw the ball playing catch the first couple weeks of the season unless I threw it hard. It's 100% like the Major League 2 catcher(though they didn't have me memorize the same thing). We were really good my Jr year, supposed to be good again, but we had a new coach who didn't know me. About a week into the season and I don't remember why, but as we were playing a scrimmage early in the year, I short hoped the pitcher on the mound and as he kinda turned away, I for some reason was jogging toward the dugout, and I still remember this guy saying, 'this is our ##### catcher? Kid can't throw the ball back to God..... pitcher. JC!' He apologized...way too much for it(he was right at the time) and even in the years since when I've ran into him like I was traumatized. I'm like...'yeah, I was thinking the same thing.'

Speculation that he doesn't want to. Some have speculated it'd be worse for his health(that makes sense now, it did not make sense when he was playing LF). Also, a move like that would have to be a whole off-season thing and by that time, you have Luke Adams, Brock Wilken and Cooper Pratt all knocking on the doorstep, making him playing 1B less valuable.

-He's been making them all his life. I think dead arm is just...dead arm. I don't think it's akin to moving Travis Shaw to 2B when you could shift or anything else crazy. 9 days before the season, he was set to start at SS, he had a tired arm. To me that makes complete sense. On the lowly level of HS Baseball, I used to have that every year. Now sure, I was an idiot and didn't build up(also wasn't good enough for anyone to care) but... It just seemed normal. This is also predicated on finding someone who makes it worthwhile. Alex Bregman for example. If you traded for him...the choice would be Durbin or Ortiz. I feel like Murphy would make that choice pretty easily. Sure... but who is playing LF or DHing at that point? Yelich does one, preferably DH. Who plays LF? It IS easier to trade for an OFer. Adolis García? He was way up on that list with Bryan Reynolds for unluckiest hitters of the year so far. Another guy just crushing the ball and not getting hits. But it seems like very few people want those guys when they've got bad numbers despite good underlying metrics. Seems like you could shift Collins to 2B, Garcia could play RF, Frelick LF or he plays LF. Taylor Ward? I don't know if any of these trades are worth upsetting the dynamic of the team...and then you also have the fact that if Ortiz is your worst hitter and he's coming on, you just stick with what's working. I don't know if this is all worth it unless it's a BIG upgrade(looking at you Cleveland).

You sure it's not just the health you don't trust? He's 27...and I get he was expected to be further along by this point, but we still have several years of team control and he's pretty nasty. If he can just...stay healthy and get into a rythem, I absolutely trust him. That 99 MPH sinker and CB? As long as he can stay out there and he's available in the post-season, he should be a big part of this staff.

Right...and it's not like they're not going to use him more aggressively in a division race or in October. He's also been injured for part of the year, and they've clearly had a plan for how to use him in his 12 outs(when this topic started, now 13). I believe they've said that includes starting again in the future. I'd love to see a rotation with Peralta, Misiorowski, Ashby...Henderson, and...hell, take your pick. Patrick, Myers, Gasser, Priester(probably Priester). That's assuming Quintana, Woodruff aren't back. DL Hall needs to stay healthy and lock in. And by next year, there are 3-4 more relievers who should be ready. A guy like Manfredi may be your power lefty or... maybe we claim a guy out of nowhere like Koenig. He's been pretty good for the most part as well. It's a long season though ...and the one thing Ashby hasn't been able to do recently is stay healthy and on the field for the whole season. I'd imagine that plays a role as well.

Being abnormally talented with big velocity isn't a reason to move a guy to the pen...otherwise Skubal throws triple digits, deGrom, Randy Johnson(the last two are both pretty good comps for him)...Hunter Greene...who signed an extension that could be used as a jumping off point. deGrom because his delivery and stuff look most similar, Johnson because he was a young guy who threw hard and was a bit wild at times. You can't eliminate the risk, but you can mitigate it. If he needs TJ, you're losing two years... and that could happen to anyone, anytime. Power arm, soft tosser. Miley and Gasser are the last two guys who needed TJ from the Brewers. He has 4 NASTY pitches... we can let the season play out, but I'd do it at that point. 6/75+2 TOs at 20 or 25. But...that's just me. I'm also not worried about him becoming a reliever with 4 pitches and if he does, I think he'll be an elite one. I thik the only real risk would be injury, but he's got such upside, I'd be willing to overpay early on to keep THAT type of talent around when he'd otherwise price himself out of Milwaukee...2, maybe 3 years in.

The front office came out and said they underestimated the clubhouse impact. I don't actually think the loss of Hader made a difference... but now talking about Peralta after they effectively said they wouldn't do it again? This MIGHT be the team that wins it. I mean, chances are it doesn't, but that's the thing about Baseball. You have no idea when things will come together. You just throw out a talented team. Chourio, Contreras, Hoskins are all under-performing. Yelich is...performing closer to what you expect, but even he's not there for the season. Turang, Frelick, Durbin and Collins get on base, play defense and even Ortiz has been hitting. Woodruff, you hope can keep gaining(or even just maintaining) that 95-96 MPH FB, with that movement on his sweeper, cutter and change, his location, he looked nasty. I don't know what you get from him, I thought he'd struggle. The 2nd time out can be tough. But he has half a season, just like when Ashby was struggling last year to get his Velo back...except Peralta, Misiorowski is...ridiculous. The Pen, Mears, Ashby, Uribe, Megill and then Koenig, Hall, I'd expect Priester would be In short series, these are the types of things that can help you upset teams. I can't think of a good reason we'd be trying to trade anyone who is a contributor short of a godfather type offer. Also, we have a loaded farm system. We don't need to trade guys as badly as we did when we had Hader(speaking of which, Gasser is another guy who could come back and throw out of the pen.

Yeah... it's pretty nuts, BUT if there's a team where it's a good idea, it's this one with Misiorowski and Woody coming back. We have multiple guys who can go multiple innings in the pen, so a bad start doesn't ruin the pen. I'm not so much worried about TJ. Some guys you almost wish they'd just get it and you'd know you'd be clear for the next 10 years, but the shoulder. But we really do have a good record with keeping pitchers healthy. I'd guess as good as anyone when it comes to TJ/Shoulder injuries. Not to nit-pick, but he's just turned 30 earlier this year. So not yet 32 and the final year of his deal, he'd be 35 through it and I... really think it's hard to say he's on the downside. We're more analytical, right? A guy who was having the luckiest season in baseball, we wouldn't want him, right? This guy is having the 2nd most unlucky season in all of baseball. He's been a really good hitter every year and I love the player and I love the bat, I just think the Pirates are going to value him closer to where they have in the past. I think he's the type of player who winds up in LA. But if Collins looked like Ortiz at the plate, I'd be jumping at this deal and I would give up Logan Henderson and a good bat. I'm not sure what it'd take.

But they literally were. You didn't mention any negatives that weren't being discussed.

I did not think you could save money on a buyout. I know MLB has rules against it, I thought the NBA was even stricter. In the scenario you laid out, I just thought it was 10M less the team owed, but still counted against the cap. It was just dead money. Some of these buyouts are bigger than I ever remember them being reported. Ayton for example. I didn't think it'd be that hard to move a guy like Ayton.

Yeah, the "think it through," may be intended to be, but it's... pretty condescending. Turang was an elite defensive SS coming up. To say there's "no way" he'd be moved... just makes very little sense to me. He was set to be the opening day SS this year until he had arm fatigue. That's...nothing. Very normal early in the season. If...Jazz Chisholm was available in a trade, they'd definitely move Turang to SS to accommodate him. Hell, even a realistic move like DJ LeMahieu, if he came back healthy, it's hardly a stretch that they'd take the guy who had all but won the starting SS job in Spring Training over the guy currently in Murphy's clubhouse. Even if they were to just trade for Suraez...at this point, Durbin is the guy you'd prefer to keep in the lineup. Suarez 3rd, Durbin to 2nd, Turang to SS. I don't think people remember what he looked like at SS coming up.

He literally cited his negative War. He's been extraordinarily unlucky. He's the same player he's been most of his career as I pointed out; 15M AAV for a player of Reynolds caliber should NOT be the reason the Brewers don't make this move. This would probably be the best time to trade for Reynolds...IF you were a team that needed a good #2 hitter who played LF or a good LHed bat. He's hitting the ball harder than ever, barreling it up more often than ever and having worse luck than ever. That doesn't usually hold up. If he WAS hitting ~.275 with a .~500 SLG, you'd be paying top of the market for him. This would be a chance to get him cheap. I wouldn't do it ONLY because I still think he'd be expensive... other GMs look deeper a small and very unlucky sample size. I just think Collins is playing well enough, I wouldn't give up the players it'd take.

I've seen this not just shot down, but shot down hard...and it doesn't make sense to me. It's kinda rough as the OF is really playing well, but Reynolds is clearly having a bad year mixed with bad luck. His xBA is .276, xSLG is .503... exit velo is up this year(LA down). 2nd more unlucky player hitter https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/expected_statistics?type=batter&year=2025&position=&team=&filterType=bip&min=193&sort=13&sortDir=asc I thought he was a better defender than he is and the issue to me is you'd be sitting Collins. Before Collins came on, I'd have been a bigger fan of this move...but this is pretty much just adding another Yelich. Hardly a negative(assuming he reverts to the norm) but I'm not sure he adds a ton at this point. If Collins could play 3B...and you had more versatility, maybe, but I don't think Reynolds is as good of a fit to this roster. I'd like Bednar... I also like Soroka as a reliever. He should be cheap. But probably Bednar or Chapman would be more ideal. I'd say Bregman as I've seen people speculate that he'll opt out of his deal, but way too much risk that he gets hurt or struggles and you're stuck with it. Maybe if he were on the Rockies... but he's not.