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He moved out there when they tried to get Bullard and Even Williams into the lineup. He had a 62.5 PFF grade in coverage at that time(vs Arizona) and finished the year with a grade of 60.7. So his grade was better in the slot...in coverage. He's an exceptional CB vs the run and on occasion when they send him on a CB blitz. Graded 115th out of 222 CBs in coverage. Nate Hobbs was 102. Jaire incidentally was 16th in coverage and Valentine was 22nd. So...I'd say it was out of necessity, but I don't think it changes my larger point. You have very little depth at CB and most of their experience has come in the slot...especially if you assume Jaire is gone Valentine is a nice young CB. He'd currently be our #2 with Nixon as our #1(based on last years overall snaps)... Yeah, I imagine he'll play outside as well...but all I said was he's been primarily a slot CB. You just posted that he played over 70% of his snaps in the slot. He was in the slot when he was outstanding as a rookie. They tried him as a boundary CB his 2nd year in the league and he struggled...which prompted the Raiders to move him back to the slot the last part of the year. On top of that, he's missed 16 games the past 3 seasons. He plays very aggressively. That's a little hyperbolic, no? I literally listed the players we have who play CB who have any reasonable NFL experience. I even added Bullard, a safety. So I don't think I was "pretending" they have no one out there, I'm pointing out it's a major area of need, the lack of depth and how if we're going to draft a guy 54th...it seems unlikely to me that you're going to draft a guy who is largely the antithesis of everything your HC and DC have said they want. And unlike Nixon or Hobbs who are both aggressive, physical in run support, Porter is not that. He's not a strong tackler. He does excel in other areas of the game that make him a really interesting prospect for the right team, but look at who Gute has drafted, then combine that with what MLF and Hafley have said about what they would LIKE to do on defense(personnel permitting). I also quoted both Hafley and MLF's desire to play MORE Press Man and Cover1(which was by far Hafley's most consistent pre-snap look) and how LaFleur himself spoke about how Hafley had to adjust to the personnel that was available to him. You can't really play Press or Man if your front 4 can't get home and your DBs don't fit that style of play. Jaire...he fits. Revel, Hairston, Thomas, I can't imagine anyone feeling very comfortable about our CB depth as stands(probably why Louis had 3 CBs as his choices or in the case or Marshall, "if he's available." You acknowledged they could go CB in Rd1. So I'm not sure what I pointed out that wasn't already obvious...other than not finding Porter to be the best fit for the Packers. We have 3 CBs and we're going to need to cover...~1100-1200 snaps from two of them, probably another 800 from a 3rd. That's asking 3 guys to stay healthy for 17 and one of the three was above average in coverage last year...Valentine. I would say looking at the roster, there's no position as thing as CB. At least relative to the expected snaps you ask from your CBs. At edge, you have LVN...he was a pretty solid pass rusher last year(better than Gary in his first two years). Enagbare, Cox Jr had a 72 PFF grade a 72.2 Pass rushing grade...and Mosby, a 5th edge. You play 2 at a time. DT-Again, 2 at a time. Clark, Wyatt, Brooks, Wooden But Harmon in Rd 1? Yeah, I love that. WR-Similar depth to WR, but we also have guys like Heath and Melton...as well as at least two very good pass catching TEs(when healthy). I like Horton in Rd 3. I like Riley in Rd4, Marshall if he's available in Rd 7. Nohl Williams, a heavy press man CB in the middle Rds. Those guys are GREAT fits, particularly the last two and I think they are just about perfect for what Hafley likes to do. I just...don't completely agree with the 2nd Rd projection LouisEly gave the Packers. I also have different players I may prefer. Thornton at WR over pretty much everyone else in the middle rds. I liked Morgan, Cooper and Bullard last year. My top 3 in the last mock I posted on here. Right now, it looks like the only one I got right(and the Packers for that matter) was Cooper, the LB from Texas A&M everyone wanted, so not exactly unique. It's just fans throwing out their opinions for fun before the actual draft based on the rosters we have. And we don't even know who may be completely off the Packers board(such as Bond) or who they may love) like Golden).

Would we rather have Smith, pick #33 and Yophery Rodriguez? I guess...more importantly, does it matter at this point? Not really directed to you, but... 'it is what it is.'

He was a NT in a 3-4, so...he's going to be doubled much more. As for the numbers...I guess it depends on what you're looking for in his numbers(also, his numbers are pretty similar to Graham's numbers). I'm looking for a guy who can collapse the pocket, play the run, keep the LBers clean...and then the fact that he's really good at getting his hands up and in throwing lanes is a nice ancillary benefit. Vita Via isn't stacking the stat book, but I assume we'd agree if you could get a Vita Vea at #23, you'd definitely do that, right? Maybe Kenny Clark? Would you take a young Clark again? If you watched his tape and you were unimpressed...I guess on that I'd just agree to disagree. He may end up an average rotational player. Better chance than not, that's what you'll get, even in the bottom half of the 1st rd from any DL(or CB, Edge). They're pretty high miss rates...but I think he's got a floor of being a really good 1 tech and being a good rotational player and the upside to be a whole lot more(Vita Vea was just an example, it's not reasonable to expect that from any DT in this draft).

Yeah, I've seen them, but they seem REALLY petty so far. It basically amounts to(as far as I can tell) he transferred too many times, he hasn't been as productive as his recruiting ranking would suggest he should be. They go over these kids like crazy. If that's the worst you've got at 21 years old? I don't know, the effort issues...where sometimes it wanes, that is about all I'd be worried about. The Packers also have a massive scouting staff and they investigate and do a lot of digging on these guys.

Porter had 203 snaps in coverage all year. Revel who did tear his ACL had 138 in just 3 games this year. I'm not sure receptions given up is the best metric. But if you're looking at picks, he had 2 in those 3 games and a passer rating of 48.8. I don't particularly think that matters either, but But more importantly... he appears to be a better fit. You watched both I assume, right? Porter is really not comfortable up on the LOS and Revel is much more comfortable there, playing man. He also obviously sags off and plays zone. I'm not arguing who is going to go higher...though I think Revel was going to be a pretty easy 1st rd pick based off the last 2 years, but if Hafley still wants to play the type of defense that he and Lafleur said they wanted to play, I think Revel is a better fit and it doesn't make a lot of sense to draft someone who you don't anticipate being able to play in that very scheme. I like ....Nohl Williams who I think you mentioned, Marshall from Florida, Riley is a good option. Hafley's also a great DB coach...so maybe he'll think he can develop Porter.

Hafley has been pretty clear about a desire to play a lot of press man as well though(as has Matt LaFleur). And MLF end of season; What did he want to do? This on top of...countless comments from LaFleur over the years where he'd push Barry to play more aggressive, play more "sticky," which... means play more man coverage. They still finished top ~10 in Man Coverage and that was with Jaire was in and out of the lineup and the pass rush wasn't getting home. But just right out of the gate last year vs the Eagles, they played Cover 0 about half as much in that game as they played the entire year before under Barry. They also played a decent chunk of Cover1 Man and C2 Man. There were other factors, but the pre-snap look he favors is a single high man. They ended up rotating into Cover 2 Zone a lot last year, but it's not a great disguise unless you...actually play man. That's not to say Porter can't develop into a VERY good CB, but to spend the 54th pick on a guy who is already 24 years old at a position where longevity isn't great and you don't anticipate him to play for a year? Which brings me to... In all likelihood, the Packers depth chart at CB right now(with the assumption that Jaire is traded, likely during the draft or cut if they can't find a trade that works, but in any event, it seems unlikely he's brought back). That leaves; CB1-CB-Nixon-Primarily a slot CB until moved there last year out of necessity as much as anything, but certainly not a prototypical boundary CB. CB2-Nate Hobbs-Primarily a Slot CB CB3-Valentine-He can play outside, but didn't really take a 2nd year jump. Slot-Bullard was primarily used as a slot CB. (and then Riley...who I do like in Rd4). That's 3 guys who are at their best in the slot or at least have played primarily slot and Valentine, a 7th rd pick who looks like he's got some talent, but not a sure thing and there is a big drop off after him. Kamal Haden, Isaiah Dunn, both guys who were cut and the Packers picked up this off-season. If you were bringing Jaire back, that would change the equation a bit, but if you're assuming he's gone, and it seems like most are, you're either abandoning the shift Hafley and MLF talked about, shift to more of a Tampa 2 type defense or even a Cover 3(which Porter is a great fit in). Or it's possible they just think Porter can be coached to use his long arms better, but either way, as our 2nd Rd pick, I don't know that you can take a CB at arguably our thinnest position and say we don't really need him because of Nate Hobbs in his rookie year. LaFleur also commented about how Hafley did a good job of adjusting to his personnel, but if you're going out and acquiring that personnel, I'd hope you'd target the type of players who fit what Hafley has said he wants to do. I like Porter...but you're getting a project who's already turned 24, has limited experience at CB and he's going to be our 2nd pick and not expect to play? DT-Grant, Nolan or Harmon in Rd 1 all make sense. Rd 2-3, Alexander, Collins, Lott, Turner, Walker(maybe late Rd3) CB-Rd 1, Will Johnson...if he does slide down the board would be a relatively obvious pick. Revel has similar elite athleticism, but also is much more physical in press. Amos is also a guy in that 1st rd Range who has more experience in press man. RD2-I think CBs like Hairston(21), Morrison(21), Thomas...might fit the Packers a bit better if they fall to the 2nd rd...and they're all younger...as compared to Riley and Porter who are both ~24 years old. Thomas is one of the younger players and won't turn 21 for a few months yet. They're all guys who can play zone...obviously, zone is just easier, but they all have more experience playing in press man schemes. Edge-If Stewart is there, I think that'll be their pick. Again, 6'6 290 with his athletic ability? Williams from UGA is...in the same boat. He's the obvious pick, both are gone. Beyond that, Mike Green would be popular. I think Scourton would be a great pick. He's not 21 yet, he's got natural bend, he should be able to come in and play year one and help with the pass rush and still has room to fill out into a complete edge. Landon Jackson in the 2nd could be an option. Pearce and Ezeiuaku could be just pass rush specialist, but they're better fits at 3-4 OLBs. WR-I don't think this is a great class. Bond just got accused of sexual assault. That's...not something you roll the dice on. I'm sure they've had it investigated, but I don't see him being taken. The kid from AZ will be gone. I don't think they add one until Day 3 unless there's a perfect fit and I don't think there are many of those. Golden is the only one who could be there in Rd1 that I'd take. He's got the speed, but he's a complete WR....which is why I think he'll be gone. I like Horton, Thorton Jr and Felton in the 3-4 rd range. They all have good speed and some flaws, but they can help round out the WR'ing core. OL, there are a ton of great IOL in the first two days. Mbow, 3 UGA guys, 3 Ohio State line, you touched on one of each. If they take one in the first 3 rds, it'll probably be protection against Jenkins or Walker for next year. Trapilo, the LT from Boston College is a really interesting prospects though likely gone before we're picking in the fourth anyway. Grey from Oregon STate was one of my favorite prospects last year. OG who can play RT(as a backup). Good late rd option. Again, I'd consider Simmons from Ohio State in Rd 1. He was a consensus top 10 pick before the ACL. Donovan Jackson reminds me of Elgton Jenkins. He can clearly play OT, but would be a great fit as a OG in the Packers scheme...which I THINK is going to end up being more of a mix of zone and gap when they get Marshawn Lloyd(an underrated "addition" from last year). But I don't think they'll go back to the OL this year. AT least not the first 2 rds. But I like the UGA IOL. All three, Fairchild, Rateledge and Wilson. Any surprise picks on the OL, especially early would be that pick that gets the fans upset, but they're always forward looking. Jenkins could be in his last year(as Clark could be in HIS last year). The only thing I'm confident about is... the Packers fans will be pissed if we don't draft whoever PFF has graded the highest and people will be ABSOLUTELY positive that we could have traded down and got X player later in the draft with zero consideration to the fact that...maybe teams didn't want to trade up or he's better than PFF thinks.

He'd be more of a pass rush specialist than a starting DE. That's not the worst thing in the world. Pearce from UT is kinda in that same group, but I'm not sure they'd take one at #23 who will just play passing downs, but being from BC, it's more likely than normal. Here's Pearce. Not necessarily advocating for one or the other...though Pearce looks like he's got more room to fill out and grow, but his SEC experience is a big check in his column. Not as big as being coached by Hafley already, but...still. Two guys who I think fit the Packers needs, Darius Alexander, DT Toledo in the 2nd. He's older, so he may go later, but he's a stud. Dont'e Thornton Jr WR, Tenn. He's a freak athlete. 6'5, 4.3 40. Played in that gimmicky offense at Tennessee. He'll probably get over-drafted, but if he's there in the 4th, that'd be a great pick. I think he's a better version of MVS(which...is kinda what Watson has been thus far). I don't think that's a bad thing though. He's thicker and he catches the ball a lot cleaner than Watson or MVS...but none of the Tennessee guys come out real polished. At least not QB/WR. But he's a Day1 Deep Threat who can open up the middle of the field, he can also run a lot of the quick hitters they tried to run with Watson. But primarily a deep threat.

Tee Higgins? What is a "crap ton," and how do you pull that off before they tag him? I won't go into what Love will "never be," as I think that's silly, but Higgins has been tagged before Free Agency has started(you can't do so after). And I don't think he's a #1. But you'd be trading and paying him as though he's a #1. I honestly don't get the fixation with Higgings like he's right in that group with Jefferson, Chase, Lamb and...I don't even know who else you'd be talking about. He also not really the type of WR that we need. If you wanted anyone, DK would make more sense. A deep threat. Higgings is a possession WR. He's a nice...solid, reliable WR. Not giving up a 1st for him and a "crap ton" sounds like a lot more than a 1st. Xavier McKinney doesn't qualify? Their biggest need last year...the top player at that position? I thought that was a "big free agent" and you just said this years crop wasn't the greatest to choose from.

That's fair. I like Grant a bit more, and I think the one thing you could always count on with Gary was effort. He made Hustle plays. That's a bit in question with Nolen. As for Harmon...I generally think if you're worthy of a 1st rd pick as a 3-4 DE, you fit as a 4-3 DT, either a 1 or a 3. Unless you're saying he's more of a effort player who doesn't have the natural pass rushing ability, but he's more of a run defender and for that reason a better fit as a 3-4 end. This class is harder to get a read on than even just last year. The CBs all tested...so many of these CBs chose not to. Mitchell last year was a stud, he fell. I think Johnson would be the best case scenario at hitting on a immediate impact player at a position of need. I still keep seeing people like Brugler suggesting the Packers may g back to OL. That'd make me think Simmons and a Walker trade eventually.

They can score with just about anyone. I'd like to see that lineup staggered. I'd LIKE to see Andre Jackson Jr in there at times in place of Portis or Lopez. But sure, they have the fire power there. Hollins is another guy who will see his minutes go down, but who I think we're just better when he gets 15-19 minutes. Yeah...isn't that because the Bucks would then be paying like...30M for Head Coaches not currently coaching? Billy Donovan was the guy I was really hoping we'd hire a few years ago. It seems like Doc builds his lineups more like how we would for Fantasy Basketball. Unless a team with a 25 year old superstar off to a historically great start to his career is shopped and traded to the Bucks, we've likely already hit our peak, but I could see a run to the ECFs vs Boston(where they'd hopefully dust off the aforementioned Jackson Jr) and...who knows. Crazier things have happened. Lets hope Dame can get on one of those runs he did in the post-season with Portland and we play more than 5-6 games this year. We'll see. It'll be fun...until it's not.

He had enough to be a reliever for the last two years. I don't think their goal is for him to be a reliever and I don't think we need a reliever. If they do, they have options that don't need to be Misiorowski. They've already brought up Henderson, Yoho seems like he'll be on deck. The back of the pen looks pretty dominant right now with Megill, Uribe, Koenig, Mears, Hudson, Grant Anderson hasn't been awful and they've got...a lot of guys on their way back. I'd prefer to leave Misiorowski in AAA and continue building. Then, in Sept, unless he takes a bit jump, call him up at that point. Hopefully Ashby, Witchrowski, Hall, Myers, Woodruff, and whoever I'm forgetting. If it's for a spot start or two, fine, but as long as he's got the stuff to be an ace, I'm going to want to see him brought along slowly.

You declared the season over week 1 last year and you declared Hafley a bad hire. It feels like you're just locked in the Ted Thompson years and ignoring the actual reality of what's going on now. They went out and got McKinney and Jacobs coming off a year in which they were in a game, up 7 vs the 49ers, the team that went to the SB. This year, they "struggled," and lost 2 games to the 14 win Eagles, SB Champions(5 points and then they were just gifted 7 points to start the game by a horribly botched call on the fumble recovery). 2 games to the 15-2 Lions, 2 games to the 14-3 Vikings...and then to the Bears. They went out, they made a big move to shore up the OL. They added a CB... What is "complacent" about any of that? Right...OR perhaps to keep some of their talent around. also VERY possible(probable) they went after others, but didn't want to overpay. Again, some people on here think a player signs in Arizona to play with his former defensive coordinator and you can just plug in the salary he got from that team and assume the Packers could have gotten him for that same prize. But who should have been signed that wasn't? I'm not sure what point this is making. No team has operated with more urgency than the Saints, Browns, Jets...just getting into cap purgatory just for the sake of it seems foolish. Philly did lose the #1 and #5 ranked Free Agents, Milton Williams...who got 4/104 as a rotational DE and Sweat who again, went to play with his former DC in AZ. Kinda feels like he has. You're speaking for "most people?" I don't think you are, BUT I do know "most people," said the Packers were going back to the 70s and 80s version when they let Rodgers leave. Their record was better the following year and they remained the youngest team in the NFL last year while rebuilding on the fly. It's almost like people just...took it for granted. He came in, spent 200M when the cap was ~180. Added 3 immediate bit impact players. The next TWO years, they were right on the verge of the SB. Losing a HOF caliber LT PROBABLY cost them both the Tampa and SF game. Heading into those two seasons, he drafted QB late in the 1st that "most people," hated(the selection, not the player. Covid, Cap goes down and then the "complacent" front office spent about 120M more than the salary cap(knowing it'd bite them later) to keep Campbell, Douglas, keep their best players around. Then when Rodgers was done, the complacent front office had a plan in place, they dealt with ~140M in dead cap in two seasons while keeping all of their young talent. But they were complacent? Especially then? How about if they're 0-1? You were excited about last year? Again, before Week One, a game played vs the team that'd win the SB, you declared the season over. "one of the most optimistic on here." I can't even imagine how miserable you'd be as a Steelers fan(or instance, or really just a non Philly, KC, NE fan over the last ~20 years, but CERTAINLY during the Gutekunst years. I am still curious, what was the move they should have made but it doesn't really feel like there is one beyond what wasn't available. Or Hendrickson? Surely ONE move couldn't completely change your entire attitude of the direction and mentality of this franchise, right? If they were to end up with TJ Watt...that'd just be another move, but...still...complacent?

I love Grant. If he can add a little bit as a pass rusher, there's...a LITTLE bit of Dexter Lawrence in there. And moving from a 34 to a 43 could help him unlock it. But, if nothing else, he's very good vs the run and can move men in the pocket and that makes it easier for the Edges to get home. I think the best tape of the three, Harmon, Nolen and Grant is Grant, but it's a bit less consistent and he also has a guy who should be a top 10 pick who played next to him. Harmon is the best effort player and I think it's really unlikely he's a bust. Not sure the ceiling, but I don't know just how good he can be. Nolen is similar to Wyatt in my opinion. More stout.

Weak hits are fine in AAA. Rebuilding that arm strength, that's everything. 95 is...good for me. The pitching we've got coming back...very encouraging.

I see some. Martinez is more violent and Barry's was smoother(though not Griffey type smooth). I've never hoped Clancy was right more than when it comes to Martinez. If he can be our "Bellinger," type...accounting for the fact that you usually take about 25% less production when you use that type of comp, but say .240/.330/.480 with his size and speed. I'd take that!

I thought it was Quay, but then Christian Watson...who was basically a 1st rd pick but the Vikings were just smart enough to not cave when we wanted #32 for our 2nds and we got 34. But mostly it seems like they're later rd picks.

I'd give the contract to Watt...I wouldn't give up the 1sts. LVN has been better his first two years than Gary was his first two...so there's a LOT of reason to think he'll improve. Watt could be used with those two as he's so versatile, but the only player I'd have considered the multiple 1sts+contract for would have been Crosby due to his age. Watt would probably be too much because of his Wisconsin connection that may skew Packers fans perception...but he is an incredible edge and I think it's kinda like Baseball, you overpay a bit on the front end. Just not that much in draft pick compensation. And big old 6'8 Cailas Campbell has signed a new deal and will play for AZ. The guy just KEEPS playing at a high level. 5.5M, 2.5M incentives. Was offered more by at least 2 teams, so he was always likely going to one of a handful of places and GB may not have been one of them. But he'd have been a difference maker. I have just one out the box idea or thought(at least related to the Packers)...if Campbell from 'Bama is there...you might have to take him. He's an Off-ball and I get Walker and Cooper, but that'd be the LB'ing group from hell. And I don't like taking LBs early... just watching some of his A22, he make some bad reads and he's such an athlete he still makes the play. Give him more time as a MLB and I think he could be a Kuechly type or a Patrick Willis type. Actually I see a lot more Derrick Brooks in a bigger body and frame when all is said and done, but I don't know if he'll be around anyway.

Two stocks I was NOT buying was NVDA and AVGO. Just ...too much of my portfolio is somehow tied into that but...I couldn't help it. AVGO was in the 130s and they announced 10B in buybacks, NVDA is sitting there with 50B authorized and it was at 87 and I bought a few blocks. Sold the NVDA at 105, was honestly planning on selling the AVGO when it hit 170 as it had yesterday...and as it's there, I see the news, 90 days and i's at 180-185 and I'll probably sell tomorrow as it was never meant to be an investment. NVDA did get the go ahead to sell the H20s. That's 16B in revenue that seemed to be off and they're ready to be shipped. Also, I don't get it...why was the Dow down 2300 points, 1900 points, massive turnaround... we get a rate cut?

That Braylon Payne swing looks VERY Christian Yelich-esque to me....

When someone tells you who they are(or what they plan on doing)...believe them.

Is there ANY chance Urias is coming back? He was convicted of everything. Bauer's not back and...he was never even charged.

I'm about 90% sure he's not... He's got a women who has a very...open personality in social media.

Hey, if the whole point is to just lower the 10 year, then fine, but you can only lie so many times as President and make up these figures that other countries have for tariffs on us. The US was at 1.5%, China was at 2.2%. That doesn't seem like it justifies a 54% increase. Also, I wouldn't be so sure that we're going to win this "big game of chicken," with the global economy when Japan has an alliance with...CHINA and South Korea. Jesus. Trump MAY actually be on pace to get the Palestinians and Israelis to find peace if he can get those three nations to. They're not bowing down and Trump says that's not the plan. There is no negotiating and this is what we're doing now. Tariffs 40-50% higher(until of course the actual reciprocal tariffs start coming) and they completely rebalance global trade so that it's not as reliant on the United States.

Sure bud. I feel like you captured the points I made in an intellectually honest manner here.

You don't think they had it coming?