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So... @ghostdrewwhat exactly is it that you're disagreeing with? I see the notification where you disagreed. What exactly do you disagree about? There are MANY who are far better with the basic MiLB rules and whatnot, but this one is pretty simple, yet you misquoted me a couple times and you don't agree with this?

No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying what I said; If you're 18 or younger when you sign(as of June that year) you have 5 years before you're rule 5 Eligible. If you're 19 or older when you signed, you have 4 years. So being as Wood, a player drafted out of COLLEGE was older than 19, he is rule 5 eligible. HS players...are usually going to have 5 years(Bitonti for example or Payne from last year). I'll just cut and paste this here so as to clear up any confusion. So College player-19 or older. HS players-18 or younger.

. Right...and notice I didn't say he was drafted and signed WHEN he was 19. I said AFTER he was 19. If you're 18 or younger when you sign(as of June that year) you have 5 years before you're rule 5 Eligible. If you're 19 or older when you signed, you have 4 years. It's easy enough to look up Rule5 Eligibility.

This will be his 4th year in the organization. 4 years...signed after he was 19. And if you're questioning him being worthy...given it's just a comprehensive list, that'd explain that. But also; .280/.377/.520 line in AA. Seems like the type of catcher the Brewers should try and keep around. And that's with a .244 BABIP.

Should be a fun one. As you'll go into far greater detail, I'll it a go. This seems as though it's going to be tougher than normal. I see 15 players who COULD be removed or will be via Free Agency. Those underlined are FAs. I have Quintana, Rob Zastryzny(depending on the year, trade perhaps, but 0 options), Hoskins, Cortes, Woodruff, E. Rodgriguez, Haase(guessing they go with Quero, but with Hoskins leaving, I MIGHT keep him), Tyler Alexander, Daz Cameron, Easton McGee, Connor Thomas, Monasterio or Dunn, Avans, Grant Anderson? -POSSIBLE re-signings Woodruff...there are a dozen variables. Does he pitch well enough to earn another deal, does he limp along and the Brewers take another Jimmy Nelson flier hoping he will. Does he only start to return -Hasse Good catchers are not easy to find, Dinges is coming along great, but can Siegler really catch at the MLB level? Might be good to have a 3rd option with Quero and Contreras. -Quintana? I don't think so, but... you'd be crazy to not want him back at ~2.5M. But I suspect after a year with this Brewers defense, ~160IP and a ~3.90 ERA, he'll get 10-12 elsewhere. I might be jumping the gun on Zastyzny. He's been p Zastryzny - He's been pretty effective, I'm just looking at Ashby, Hall, Koenig...and perhaps Manfredi? Anthony Seigler-I have no idea what's up with him. I read his scouting reports from the day with the Yankees and he has pop times of 1.87 to 1.97, he's smooth as a receiver, I have watched less MiLB this year than ever before(I watched a ton before last year). Coleman Crow, Seems like he's finally healthy and throwing well. Etnesto Martinez both seem like locks (never thought I'd say that about Martinez). Martinez has become a selective hitter with power. I feel like he could put up a ~.225/.335/450 line and play great defense at 1st. Freddy Zamora? I don't know if he's more than a defensive SS who'll put up a .600 OPS, but he's playing well. Ethan Murray? Is he a prospect still or if he just putting up numbers this year. Russell Smith-6'7 lefty that throws mid 90s out of the pen (Though I've seen very little of him, so I'm going off the scouting report. I thought he was low 90s as a starter (more like 88-92) but I guess in short outings. Justin Yeager? Blake Holub? Both guys throw hard, but Yeager at least seems stuck. I'll go with Martinez, Crow, Seigler, Russell Smith I guess. We'll likely add 4-5 guys from other teams. And we're probably going to keep some guys on the 40 that I took off because...we always do... such as Jay over Shane Smith last year.... not going to sit here...thinking about what this team would look like with 6.5 years of Shane Smith, and Freddy Peralta with Mis coming up now and no need to give up the 33rd pick and Yophery Rodriguez(and a nice arm)....nope! Not....gonna do that! But I look forward to hearing from someone who knows more than just the box scores.

We already have the Yankees, Dodgers fans, the Giants, Cubs...all joking(sorta) about how good Mis is going to look in their uniforms when he's 30 years old. Without an extension, we all know it's likely to be sooner than that if he's anything close to the pitcher we've seen thus far. Of course, we ALL know that 3 2/3 IP, 6BB 7 ER game is coming. He's not prime Bob Gibson, Sandy Koufax(or whatever other great) right out of the gate, so there will be some bumps along the way. That said... he's got very few peers in this game in terms of pure stuff. Jacob deGrom was the BEST case scenario from the time we drafted him until now. The best case scenarios are almost ALWAYS just...unrealistic, but that's how we do it. You squint, picture the best possible version and development and see what type of player he can become. Cooper Pratt is a RHed Gunnar Henderson, Chourio is Ronald Acuna Jr, so on and so forth. But while I don't think Misiorowski is going to be able to continue to just fire half his Fastballs by Hitters at 100MPH and just make hitters look foolish, I do think he's a special talent(that feels like an understatement at this point). Hell, he almost makes the deGrom comp seem feasible(minus deGrom's command, but I'm not expecting deGrom, Pro-You get cost certainty, you give Mis some financial security, he's young enough that he could still get a massive contract at the end. Cons-Injury. It's a pitcher, it's invariably injury. Is it "just" TJ? Is it a shoulder? I'd also mention that Burnes and Woodruff have both suffered injuries toward the end of team control or in Burnes case, the year immediately upon signing. This kid just turned 23 years old. I feel like 8 years at 70M, 10M signing bonus+2 option years at say...35M per year with a 5-10M buyout. That'd bring the GTD money to 8/80M. You could add bonuses. His salary goes up 2.5M per year if he wins a Cy Young, 2M if he finishes top 3, 1.5 for a top 5....something like that. It's a salary that is clearly not cheap for the Brewers, but it's NOT a contract that would be some albatross. So there's some reason for him to sign, some reason for him not to. But I picture a Paul Skenes scenario. The Pirates got him last-year...and they're already talking about how it makes more sense to trade him and start a rebuild than to build around him and try and compete. To me, this would come down to Misiorowski...obviously. Does he want to risk that he'll stay healthy? And argument could be made, even if were to deal with injuries, teams would look at his pure stuff and spend in hopes that he'll stay healthy. And if the first two starts are any indication, he could become a FA at 30 and command 40-45M a year(in today's money, 8 years time, that'll likely be 50-60M a year). But never having to worry about money again is a helluva consolation prize and it's the only way the Brewers can have an ace atop their rotation past his service time. I'd say it's worth making the offer. And hell, I'm probably short, 8 years 100M with 2 option years is probably more likely, but...even then you get Chourio, Made, Pena, Pratt, Wilken, Adams, Lara, Turang., Quero to anchor the lineup(plus a dozen other options which will only increase with the draft) and you have your foundational CFer. And you get Misiorowski, Henderson, Letson, Knoch, Hardin, Rodriguez, Patrick, Priester... and a dozen other young arms working their way up(KC Hunt and it's just too long to list everyone). But you have that foundational Gm1 pitcher. I'm sure people will say I'm jumping the gun because of 2 measly starts and 11 no-hit innings, but that's not it. When he can throw with a BIT better command and he can throw something that sits around 84-85 so he can really change velocity... what the hell is THAT gonna look like? Just anything where he can change speeds a bit better. 90-92MPH Change ups, 92-94 MPH CB, a mid 90s slider and a 101 FB...it's a lot of fun, but he's STILL got room to grow and he'll still suffer growing pains. ****Speaking of Paul Skenes, what if this kid goes wins the damn ROY? Now that's changing the equation even more. Still...now is the time to make the offer. This season. Maybe over the ASB, maybe after the season(assuming he doesn't win the ROY). -And again, I know this is early, but...that's the only time you can get it done. I'm ready to sign Jesus Made to a 12 year 100M dollar deal now and let him spend 3 more years in the minors! Do the same with Pena, Pratt and Quero! 8 years 50M for the rest of them! Thoughts? (And sorry, not trying to turn this into a...countdown on his team control, but...from the first time we call him up, that's just the reality of it.)

Yeah...with the possible exception of maybe a 15 day DL stint maybe around the break or skipping a turn to try and let him limit his innings, he's going to be up the rest of the year. Peralta, Woody hopefully healthy, Mis and I may bring Henderson keep Patrick...and Priester, Quintana... Man, we've got a lot of really nice arms and if Woody comes back, even takes a while to get going, can only throw well for 4 innings the first several times out, we're good. And then next year, you add Gasser back and you have Yoho, several others who can help us out of the pen. Hardin, Hunt, how many others, Rodriguez...I have a bad feeling Patrick may face some Myers type adjustments. And in another year from now we may be talking about some other young arms working their way to Milwaukee. Letson and company. Knoth a bit behind with the TJ, but then who the hell knows who we'll draft with all these picks. Is our pitching set up as well as our position prospects?

I thought he was more similar to Amos. Very reliable, good vs the run. Never the big play guy, but a pretty good, reliable safety.

Kansas City could be an option. They have some very good CBs, they also have to pay a lot of people. They have Watson coming up and took Nohl Williams in Rd3. That could be a nice target. I think he'd be expensive. A 4th maybe. And he's due to be a FA(unless I missed an extension). It hurts that Jaire's father said he'd have stayed for 8M. That...really seems like it's a worthwhile risk. He took 4GTD and 2 in incentives to play in Baltimore. I don't know what they do right now though. Samuel? His health is pretty checkered. Coming back from a shoulder/neck injury? That could vary from career threatening to a pinched nerve and a less invasive procedure(from what I understand). I think given what seems to be obvious, that we'll again play a lot of C2 Zone, Douglas is a good option. As for Melton, setting aside the CB depth potential, just dismissing that as it's a total wildcard, I think he slots in higher on the WR depth chart just given his ability on 4 phases of Special teams and how good he is in that regard.

Yeah...I wouldn't give a 3 year deal to a pitcher who hasn't pitched in 3 years either... which is why I tried to make the point very clear that I'd do it if he came back and threw well this year(so you wouldn't be giving it to him after not pitching for 2 years). So IF he came back, pitched well, got his velocity up(I don't actually care if it's 97 or 95.8). That was also beside the point as I was agreeing that you shouldn't be signing or not signing Freddy based on what MIGHT happen...(the might happen being Woodruff's production).

Yeah, I'd LOVE to see Woodruff come back and I'd even be fine with THEN handing him a 3-year deal if he did and he was throwing well again (assuming it's reasonable), he was healthy. Velo back at 97 or so, but... we're not doing anything with Freddy either way based on Woodruff and what MIGHT happen.

When he bought the team he initially bought 45% of the team. I know he's since sold a couple percent here and there and it was...37% or 36% as of last year(upper 30s, I don't remember specifically). He could have bought someone out or something could have changed, Aaron Rodgers perhaps but as far as I've known, since he bought it, he's never been a majority owner and he's specifically not referred to as a majority owne, but principal owner. Him being the Board Chair and CEO doesn't mean he has to be a majority owner. As for Peralta, I find it unlikely that they're going to come and ask 2 years in advance and expect him to get near market value, but...yeah, I guess it's possible.

It was just staph. Just an interior staph infection that flared up and caused everything(which is why everyone, including Ben was so caught off guard). He was getting ready to Wrestle in the new Professional Wrestling League, he was training hard, but if it was a broken rib puncturing his lung, he'd have known. Maybe he'd have waited a day, but he waited almost 4 days after he started feeling sick out in Vegas. That was the assumption when it was mentioned he had a hole in his lung. It was just staph was running rampant in his body and eating away at the lungs. It's a...horrific image, but he's still fighting. He has changed the fact of Wisconsin Wrestling. His own success pales in comparison to what he's done by building AWA. He's been communicative, but...it's just stunning. He looked better than he had since...hell, maybe ever physically. He was in good shape training for the league and then this just hits. It's just one of those things that reminds you... you're just a dash between two numbers. Make 'em count. He's made them count... and I know the prognosis is dire, but it's not a good idea to bet against Ben. Especially with those 3 kids and a wife like Amy...who'll be at his side no matter how long in takes. -Just a note, you say he changed the face of Wisconsin Wrestling. He did. He gave so many kids a place to train...which in and of itself is huge. Setting up schools all over and getting guys like Nick Pell(3rd place in the NCAAs) and John Mesenbrink(one of the best coaches I've ever been around) and Max who was an NCAA Champ, the Wagner's numerous College Wrestlers. But he really changed ALL of College Wrestling and High School Wrestling. He really did revolutionize the sport with his style of wrestling.

Yeah... I don't know, I think they have regressed a bit. Different parts of the team are keeping them propped up a bit. PCA and Tucker beat us last night, but can the Brewers do it? There's no question. Mis, Henderson and Woodruff give the rotation a boost...at some point. I still think you'll get more from Contreras, Hoskins, Chourio and Yelich. SS/3B are huge. Durbin is a winner and that cliche grinder I used to dismiss, but I like him(aside from the terrible foul pop-up on a bunt)...but what do we have in Ortiz? Not a ton of room to get help from within As for the pitching, I would say we could also regress as easily as get better, but I like to be an optimist. I think we can catch them, I don't think they're quite as good as the record suggests, but I put it at a ~15% chance. I don't think the 1.8% chance is a real number. But we'll see. And then I'll take joy in watching them trying to pay Kyle Tucker in the off-season. 500M?

Oh Mis... you set the bar a bit too high in your first start. If you come back and you somehow meet that...well, that'll be hard to do. If you're a bit wild and maybe Tucker gets ahold of one...well, no way Brewers Twitter overreacts to that! I was advocating keeping him in AAA because I wanted him to just get a full season in, get that command(or at least control) improved along with the change, but now that you're up, I just can't wait. Just a glimpse of what's to come. Wouldn't HATE if Logan Henderson was throwing as well, but... patience.

Just...once again, to reiterate, Attanasio is not the majority owner of the Brewers. He owns ~36% or so of the team. That may be lower after Giannis and others have bought in. I'd imagine they ddn't make largest investments, but all the same. Doesn't mean I don't think he can spend more...but I don't think he can afford bad deals. Just because you got Peralta for cheap and he performed well doesn't mean you're required to compensate for that now by committing to him for what would be 8 more seasons(well...7.5 anyway) and paying him 20M a year at the end of that. He'll get paid. I wouldn't go 5/125...it's 1.5 years to go, I'd go 5/100 maybe, but we've also been developing a lot of arms, so...I'd prefer we use that to extend younger position players as they come up(Turang is one I would like to given he can play SS/2B...Contreras may be a good one to extend for a couple years at this point for the right price. Otherwise, they should keep the deals shorter so they don't get burned for a few years on the backend.

Riight... bud, you're exclusively using stats to make ALL of your arguments. Yelich wasn't hitting well last year despite an OPS over .900 because...he didn't hit 20 HRs. He wasn't good the year before for that matter because he only had 19. In fact, that's been the sum total of your argument here for House. But, just to be clear, you watched Cooper Pratt and the comp you have is...Orlando Arcia...but you're saying nobody else watches these guys, just the stats! LOL...alright bud. Come back after House has 1500 PAs and give me an update. I suspect he's more Keston Hiura than anything, but...sure.

The back surgery was about as mild of a back surgery as you could have. I think this is finally going to take care about his back issues. This is minimally invasive, it's actually a good long term fix and I think you can see it in his swinigng this year. I argued the same when he was struggling. He was swinging free and healthy. He's talked about being pain-free for the first time in a long time. This isn't a degenerative back issue. I think the issue over the next 4 years is...he'll just be 4 years older, but he's on pace for what, close to 30 HRs and he's been getting on base. LOL...oh, yeah! Just Bryce Harper! And he couldn't even hit 20 HRs! You plays an inordinate amount of value on BA and HRs, don't you? Well, that's good as Yelich is on pace for 31 HRs. I mean, I'd take that .909 OPS over a full year, but... at long as he hits...20 HRs! Yelich over the last ~month, .368/.435/.671 1.106 OPS. And the idea that the Brewers were going to sign Harper is laughable. Umm...he was simply stating facts Kantz. That's...it. Juuust facts. Though, since you think it's "laughable," you think we should have signed Harper(who'd already been signed) when Yelich was coming off two MVP caliber seasons(he wins a 2nd without the Foul Ball). So it's kinda both sides of your mouth. It's "Sign Bryce Harper," and then it's the small market argument. It's also not 27M per year. It's 22M a year with money DEFERRED whereas Harper is getting 27.3M a year with Money up FRONT. You brought up small market, so surely you understand how deferred money is worth less than money up front, right?

Yeah....AGAIN, every team wants an ace. The Nats want one for the FUTURE, that does not mean they're going to pay the asking price for Peralta at the deadline...and that price is in no way Brady House. A guy with an OBP of .359(vs Adams .435 or Wilken at .390). House has a 30 Hit grade. A BABIP of just under .400. You're trading 1.5 years of an ace for a guy ONE year ahead of Wilken and Adams, both of whom were better, swing and miss less and walk a whole lot more than House. Wilken has a WRC+ of 172, House of 126, Adams of 180 You're putting a WHOLE lot of faith in a guy having an abnormally good year after putting up poor BAs the last couple years because he's had half of a year with an extremely lucky BABIP. LAST year he hit a .241 BA and a .297 OBP. That's be what you'd call "ass." Well... that's...brilliant. At 20, he's putting up a better line in AA than House did just a year ago I hope we can continue to find prospects that "are ass" like Pratt! Yup! A bag of chips! Instead...we should do it in-season! I kinda doubt we trade Contreras, but I can see given what a poorly run team we are, why you'd think that! Can I ask, did you just look for a 3B with a good BA this year and then decide that's the player the Brewers have to trade for?

Hell, Manny Parra was as high regarded(going off rankings) as Misiorowski was. Even Taylor Jungman and...I think Willy Peralta were on top 100 lists(Josh Hader as well). It seemed like he fell from last year when the Brewers moved him to the pen last year to preserve his arm and have him finish up with less stress. But top 25...I think Gallardo and then Sheets and Neugebauer. But Misiorowski was closer to 60 on the top 100 lists. Hader was #19 on Baseball Prospectus, but...nevre used him as a starter. I'd imagine Woody or Burnes had retained their prospect rankings after the playoff run and were ranked pretty high... Most anticipated SP since Gallardo though. Back then, finding a starting pitcher in this organization was like...finding a piece of gold i your backyard. And rankings aside, we've all been dreaming about what Misiorowski could be since he was drafted(or at LEAST the futuresgame).

No we really don't. We have starters DEVELOPING in Nashville. Even Misiorowski. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets sent back down. They have a couple premium arms they're trying to bring along very carefully and they have some arms like Myers who they're trying to get back to last years level, but I'd hardly say they're "rotting." Trading Patrick in a year may look like trading Myers...who is struggling this year. But as of now, it's trading a 26 year old rookie who's taking the ball every 5th day and is on pace to give you ~2.5+ WAR from the back of your pen. Henderson and Misi are probably capped in the MOST optimistic scenarios at around 150 innings this year. This is how the Brewers stay competitive. A pitcher who...if he put up this type of season would demand a 15M salary and we've got him for the next...potentially 5 years for what Civale cost this year. Yoan Moncada, the guy many mentioned on here as a possible addition. He can play 2B/3B...gives you some versatility. But I think Ortiz and Durbin are coming around. I'd rather keep the young pitching than watch Chad Patrick go Shane Smith on a bad LAA team. Eugenio Suárez is on an AZ team just clinging to .500 after losing Burnres for the year and they have a young superstar coming up to replace him. He wouldn't be cheap, but he's a slugging 3B you could slide into the lineup...perhaps Durbin gets some play at 2B vs tough lefties and likewise, Turang at SS vs tough righties or just to give Ortiz a break....though I thnink he's starting to have better ABs.

There seems to be an ongoing thread each year of who are the guys the Brewers likely keep to protect against the rule 5 draft. I'm just curious who is going to be on it and I've had trouble finding that thread. Maybe it's too early in the season and there hasn't been much discussion about it, but there are some people who are much more cognizant of who is in their 4th or 5th year. A guy like Murray(3B/SS/2B) and I know Ernesto Martinez was on there....a lot of guys I can figure out, but there are always a couple of guys who kind of sneak up on you. Just want to get a head start on figuring out who is going to be the AL ROY next year!

Can someone link the thread of players who will need to be added to the 40 man this off-season or be eligible for the rule 5?

Bauers has been very good this year and Black has been hurt. I think the "sweep spot" for Black will be next year as a 1B/DH/LF. I think he'll be just fine in the OF. He's also played 2B and I think he was moved off there as much because the Brewers were moving him around trying to find an immediate home. He could play a passable 2B. But...he has to stay healthy and produce and he's regressed in that manner. I think there's a very little window for Black to make his mark as a Brewer or he'll be traded. That will come next year and I still like his overall game well enough I think he'll take advantage. But if he doesn't...he's kinda run out of opportunities.

Ok...the first claim is...insane. The Brewers told the umps to ring up Black and call close pitches strikes? To what end? So their top 100 prospect can...strike out? And please, show me anywhere that Murphy has even shown or articulated a mile dislike for Black(much less "hatred.") These are outrageous claims that deserve SOMETHING to support the veracity...